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Jesus Will Never Return

Ben Avraham

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Jesus will never return.

A poster once told me that, in his opinion, the Second Coming of Jesus would happen only when--through entirely natural causes--our planet be on the verge of destruction, and not before.

Well, I said, I am glad to hear that because, in that case, Jesus will never return because, soon after the Flood the Lord promised Noah that He would never again allow another universal destruction to destroy Mankind as long as the natural laws function properly. (Gen. 8:21,22)

Jeremiah read that text and said that as long as the natural laws function properly Israel will never cease as a People before the Lord forever. (Jeremiah 31:36)

Jesus must have read those two texts; the one of Genesis and that of Jeremiah and completed the info that salvation comes from the Jews as he meant universal catastrophe. (John 4:22)

Abraham went further and said that as long as there is a minyan of ten righteous, universal destruction would never happen. (Gen. 18:32) After all this, do you still think Jesus will need to come back? Hardly! Besides, Jesus' own gospel which was the Tanach, once dead, no one will ever return if you read II Samuel 12:23; Psalms 49:12,20; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9; etc.
 

Kemosloby

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Premium Member
He said he would never again destroy all mankind with a flood, and gave the rainbow sign that there would be no more destruction by rain. Later on in the old testament he says next time he will do it by fire.

And for your other part, Salvation comes from the Jews, Jesus came from the Jews. Jesus the savior.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
He said he would never again destroy all mankind with a flood, and gave the rainbow sign that there would be no more destruction by rain. Later on in the old testament he says next time he will do it by fire.
And for your other part, Salvation comes from the Jews, Jesus came from the Jews. Jesus the savior.

To me, the Rainbow Covenant or contract is an everlasting contract that a flood would Not destroy wicked mankind.
Rather than a literal fire, it will be the ' executional words from Jesus' mouth ' to get rid of the wicked.
Please notice - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Jesus will never return.

A poster once told me that, in his opinion, the Second Coming of Jesus would happen only when--through entirely natural causes--our planet be on the verge of destruction, and not before.

Well, I said, I am glad to hear that because, in that case, Jesus will never return because, soon after the Flood the Lord promised Noah that He would never again allow another universal destruction to destroy Mankind as long as the natural laws function properly. (Gen. 8:21,22)

Jeremiah read that text and said that as long as the natural laws function properly Israel will never cease as a People before the Lord forever. (Jeremiah 31:36)

Jesus must have read those two texts; the one of Genesis and that of Jeremiah and completed the info that salvation comes from the Jews as he meant universal catastrophe. (John 4:22)

Abraham went further and said that as long as there is a minyan of ten righteous, universal destruction would never happen. (Gen. 18:32) After all this, do you still think Jesus will need to come back? Hardly! Besides, Jesus' own gospel which was the Tanach, once dead, no one will ever return if you read II Samuel 12:23; Psalms 49:12,20; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9; etc.

Those were ancient Jews.....their universal catastrophe was probably imagined withing the scope of the part of the middle east they were familiar with.
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
Let me ask a question. So Jesus comes back, then what? I mean they say he will kill all the wicked. Does anyone really want that to happen? Maybe I should start a new thread with this question.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Let me ask a question. So Jesus comes back, then what? I mean they say he will kill all the wicked. Does anyone really want that to happen? Maybe I should start a new thread with this question.

Hi Schuh, that's a question for Christians who expect Jesus' return, not for me. If you read the thread, you know by now that my views is that Jesus will never return because, according to the gospel of Jesus which was the Tanach, once dead no one will ever return. (II Samuel 12:23; Psalms 49:12,20; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9, etc.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Those were ancient Jews.....their universal catastrophe was probably imagined withing the scope of the part of the middle east they were familiar with.

The truth that, once dead, no one will ever return, has nothing to do with the People but with the Word of God aka the Tanach, the gospel of Jesus. The Psalmist says that the grave is the eternal world of the dead. That's the only thing eternal about man. (Psalms 49:12,20)
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
He said he would never again destroy all mankind with a flood, and gave the rainbow sign that there would be no more destruction by rain. Later on in the old testament he says next time he will do it by fire. And for your other part, Salvation comes from the Jews, Jesus came from the Jews. Jesus the savior.

If you focus a little deeper when reading the Tanach, the two sequential texts of Genesis 8:21, 22 and Jeremiah 31:35-37, that truth was understood by Jesus himself in John 4:22 as, that salvation comes from the Jews and not from one among the Jews. The obviousness here is that the Fathers of the Church must have interpolated that forgery to individualize the text down to Jesus in order to erase the possibility of Israel as a People. But, as we can see, there is no way to escape the truth
 
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Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
And for the other part, you mean John 4:22. Jesus said that salvation comes from the Jews, not from one among the
Jews if you focus one the three sequential texts of Genesis 8:21, 22; Jeremiah 31:35-37 and John 4:22. There is no way to escape the truth

Save me Ben, ha ha ha. I hope you're not saying salvation comes from the Jewish people.

“Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Save me Ben, ha ha ha. I hope you're not saying salvation comes from the Jewish people. “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Are you joking! That dialogue of Jesus with the Samaritan woman never happened. Think! How could Jesus warn his disciples not to take the gospel of salvation to the Gentiles, especially Samaritans and, as his disciples went off, he went to have a chat with a Samaritan woman? That would have been the climax of hypocrisy. (Mat. 10:5,6)
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Are you joking! That dialogue of Jesus with the Samaritan woman never happened. Think! How could Jesus warn his disciples not to take the gospel of salvation to the Gentiles, especially Samaritans and, as his disciples went off, he went to have a chat with a Samaritan woman? That would have been the climax of hypocrisy. (Mat. 10:5,6)

Why, what's it to them who Jesus talks too? Hypocrisy is laying heavy burdens that one is unwilling to bear themself. Telling them not to preach the gospel to the Gentiles puts no burden on them at all.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Why, what's it to them who Jesus talks too? Hypocrisy is laying heavy burdens that one is unwilling to bear themself. Telling them not to preach the gospel to the Gentiles puts no burden on them at all.

Well, was Mat. 10:5,6 true or a lie? It says in there that when Jesus sent his disciples on a mission to spread the gospel of salvation, he would warn them not to go the way of the Gentiles, especially Samaritans. That's the point to discuss and not whom Jesus would choose to chat with. BTW, a religious Jew would never be found chatting with a woman who was not his wife. Was Jesus a religious Jew or was he not?
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Concerning Christ’s coming, the Bible states: “Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, . . . and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him.” (Revelation 1:7)
Salvation did originate wth the Jews, for it was from the Jewish nation Jesus came as the Messiah or Christ. All his followers came first from the Jewish nation. Those Jews who fathlessly rejected the Messiah were cast off, and their nation and temple destroyed in 70 C.E.
I believe Christ returned to heaven until God's due time for him to return as Earth's rightful king. 2 Thess. 1:7-9 speaks of that return: “To you who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength.”
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Well, was Mat. 10:5,6 true or a lie? It says in there that when Jesus sent his disciples on a mission to spread the gospel of salvation, he would warn them not to go the way of the Gentiles, especially Samaritans. That's the point to
discuss and not whom Jesus would choose to chat with. BTW, a religious Jew would never be found chatting with a woman who was not his wife. Was Jesus a religious Jew or was he not?

Jesus is high priest after the order of Melchizedek. The Lord, and Jews are subject to him, not vice versa. If it helps you, he told the Samaratin woman that there is no salvation for her, When Jesus said she didn't have a husband he meant himself, because metaphorically Jesus is husband of the church.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Concerning Christ’s coming, the Bible states: “Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, . . . and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him.” (Revelation 1:7) Salvation did originate wth the Jews, for it was from the Jewish nation Jesus came as the Messiah or Christ. All his followers came first from the Jewish nation. Those Jews who fathlessly rejected the Messiah were cast off, and their nation and temple destroyed in 70 C.E. I believe Christ returned to heaven until God's due time for him to return as Earth's rightful king. 2 Thess. 1:7-9 speaks of that return: “To you who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength.”

Rusra, Jesus could have never been the Messiah; not as an individual, I mean. The individual is born, lives his span of life and dies. Are we supposed to expect a new Messiah in every generation? Obviously not! The Messiah is not supposed to die but to remain as a People before the Lord forever if you read Jeremiah 31:35-37. As a People, I said. If you read Habakkuk 3:13, "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel, the Son of God if you read Exodus 4:22,23.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Jesus is high priest after the order of Melchizedek. The Lord, and Jews are subject to him, not vice versa. If it helps you, he told the Samaratin woman that there is no salvation for her, When Jesus said she didn't have a husband he meant himself, because metaphorically Jesus is husband of the church.

Did you read the thread about "The Wedding of Jesus" in this website? Please, try to. You will understand, if Christian
preconceived notions allow, that a Jew at Jesus age could not have died as a single man.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Did you read the thread about "The Wedding of Jesus" in this website? Please, try to. You will understand, if Christian
preconceived notions allow, that a Jew at Jesus age could not have died as a single man.

Like I said, Jesus was of a higher order than anybody else. He was there to do what God the Father wanted him to do. How many Jews were born to be crucified as the passover lamb?
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Like I said, Jesus was of a higher order than anybody else. He was there to do what God the Father wanted him to do. How many Jews were born to be crucified as the passover lamb?

Many! Thousands of Jews were crucified in the First Century by the Romans if you read the book "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus. You speak of Jesus as if he was he only Jew to be crucified. Wake up from under the blankets of Christian preconceived notions. These notions won't let you enjoy freedom of mind.
 
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