lostwanderingsoul
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Well I don't really feel so safe and sound with so many heathen pagans around.
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Why Couldn't Jesus Stay?
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The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Yes, well that sounds like a you problem. Because I guarantee you that if we met on the street, I'd pass you without a second thought or any notice.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
I have more to fear from believers of my own religion (statistically) than I do any other religion or nonbelievers.
InChrist
Free4ever
According to the scriptures Jesus Himself will return:
Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” Mark 14:62
Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Matthew 26:64
And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Acts 1:10-11
Specifically to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem;
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south. Zechariah 14:4
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7
the problem is that every eye didn't see him go and those eyes that did, aren't around to see him return.
InChrist
Free4ever
I don't see that as a problem. Jesus was speaking to His apostles/followers at the time and His words were recorded for successive generations of believers to anticipate His return including those who will be alive and present to see His actual return occur. Similar to His words to Thomas which were in reference to future believers...Jesus said to him, “Thomas,because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:29
Besides, who is to say those very apostles and followers He was speaking to will not see Jesus return to earth from their heavenly perspective?
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
We're certainly doing better than we were a mere 100 years ago and FAR better than we were 2000 years ago. Slavery is now globally condemned. Child labor is no longer the norm in the world. Diseases that wiped out millions in the past have been eradicated. Women who previously were treated as mere chattel have equal rights throughout much of the world. Racial and religious hatred still exists, but society as a whole frowns upon it. We live in a more moral world today than at any point in human history.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Not really, we just call it "minimal wage" the "lower class" and "social debt".
I don't believe so. Morally speaking, I wish our society followed what is known of Norse society. But nowadays Greed rules supreme, pollutes our Earth, and cripples our economies. We the poor suffer, while the rich get richer.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Because you are said to be the son of God and the ruler of a future kingdom of said God ON EARTH???
Everybody is welcome to be "sons of God" heirs to the promise of God. If you mean me personally, I have no advantage over anybody else.
jesus said that there were those already there who would realize the coming of the son of man's kingdom. The son of man is a jewish term. Its used to reference ezekiel multiple times too.
Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
the passage doesn't say the disciples only would see him, it says all eyes will see him. all is not some, or a few, it means literally all.
jesus wasn't present when the angels told the people that just as he went up in a cloud they would see him return. that wasn't for just the disciples, or apostles.
InChrist
Free4ever
Some standing there did realize and see a brief glimpse of Jesus in the glory of His kingdom, as recorded in Matthew 17 and Luke 9, Peter, James ,and John saw Jesus transfigured and talking with Moses and Elijah.
I have no disagreement with you the passage in Revelation 1:7 ...Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen....does say all eyes will see Him coming. That hasn't happened yet, has it?
no you're switching passages and again the angels told them that they would see him again. all eyes are not "some" disciples eyes.
and yes it has already happened for some; others refuse to open their eyes and ear and have hardened their hearts; otherwise they would see.
with Love all things are possible because above all things God is Love.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I fully understand but for those who are not raptured it is too late; the train has left the station.
I believe if you are saying He is returning in obscurity the verse you quoted runs contrary to that concept.
I believe we don't know if he was taken because the clouds hid His departure but logically speaking he either was picked up or He zapped Himself to where He was going (Teleportation).
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
And where was the coverage on such a mass exodus of people from this mortal plane? The seven year demonic war to follow? The angels smashing sensors of brimstone into the earth?
being raptured is a state of mind.
it's like being enthralled with something, or carried away in ecstasy.
rape originally meant to carry away, or seize.
behold, i come like a thief...............