In your Hand (in your forehead)

Daisies4me · Apr 17, 2017

Upaava said:
May peace be with you, Daisies4me,

My sister, this is NOT Satan's world, it IS God's world that evil is trying to corrupt. Fighting the evil “powers that be” is not aligning ourselves with them, it is opposing the evil they are trying to create. Evil succeeds because good people do not stand against it.

“Not wanting to stand by and watch it happen” means taking action to stop it. It won't end unless people oppose it with courage and dedication. The murdering of children, pushing war, and a huge list of horrible crimes need to be fought, and are being fought by loving and compassionate people who are the army of God in this world. They are earning their places in the world Yeshua spoke about.

Scripture can be used to justify almost any position, but to obey God we must look deeply into our hearts where Christ lives. Our children, and our children's children are depending upon us to make a better world for them to live in, which will not occur unless we act bravely in the defense of good. Let us not let them, or Christ, down.

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The 'world' that is now, the human society that lives upon the earth, is ruled over by Satan. Check it out at 2 corinthians 4:4.

also look at 1 John 5:19.
Why did Jesus declare "I am no part of this world" ? Didn't he say that His followers would also be 'no part of this world'?

We are not talking about the planet earth. we are talking about the 'world of mankind', that will again be destroyed, just as it was in the days of Noah.
The world of 'ungodly men' are reflecting the characteristics of their god, Satan. And they will be destroyed with him, too.

Thief · Apr 17, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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aaaah....so you believe the 'mark of the beast' to be the means of exchange used to purchase things. money. why didn't you just say so, straight up?
btw-- imo,that is not what is spoken of . it is much bigger than that. not being able to buy and sell is only a side effect of not having the 'mark'. Monetary exchanges fluctuate in value regularly. Some governments crash and their currency becomes of no value, and it replaced by another means of exchange. Think confederate money.

No, the 'mark of the beast' is not as simple as the means of exchange issued by individual governments, imo.

i agree the start of this thread was intended to lead to a post ...as you have here

I posted the op knowing it would lead to an epiphany for some participants

we go about our everyday affairs with so many things passing through our hands
and most of us pay no mind where it came from
or where it leads to

most of us have a shallow mind when it comes to......Who do you serve?

Daisies4me · Apr 17, 2017

Thief said:
i agree the start of this thread was intended to lead to a post ...as you have here

I posted the op knowing it would lead to an epiphany for some participants

we go about our everyday affairs with so many things passing through our hands
and most of us pay no mind where it came from
or where it leads to

most of us have a shallow mind when it comes to......Who do you serve?

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Well, now.... I don't know about all that.... ha

Jehovah is the Only True God, according to what Jesus said when he was praying to His God and Father, at John 17:3. Far be it from me to disagree with the Son of God.

What about you? Who do you serve?

(in the immortal words of Dylan, 'everybody has to serve somebody' )

Thief · Apr 17, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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Well, now.... I don't know about all that.... ha

Jehovah is the Only True God, according to what Jesus said when he was praying to His God and Father, at John 17:3. Far be it from me to disagree with the Son of God.

What about you? Who do you serve?

(in the immortal words of Dylan, 'everybody has to serve somebody' )

if you can't tell from my postings.....

Daisies4me · Apr 17, 2017

Thief said:
if you can't tell from my postings.....[/QUOTEs
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nope, you beat around the bush a good bit. The evidence hasn't been shown clearly to me... is there a reason why that is? Just asking, curiosity, ya know..

Upaava · Apr 17, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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The 'world' that is now, the human society that lives upon the earth, is ruled over by Satan. Check it out at 2 corinthians 4:4.

also look at 1 John 5:19.
Why did Jesus declare "I am no part of this world" ? Didn't he say that His followers would also be 'no part of this world'?

We are not talking about the planet earth. we are talking about the 'world of mankind', that will again be destroyed, just as it was in the days of Noah.
The world of 'ungodly men' are reflecting the characteristics of their god, Satan. And they will be destroyed with him, too.

May peace be with you, Daisy,

Why did you ignore my latest post about saving the children and revert to older ones?

Scripture can be used to justify most any position. For example, you used a quote that suggests that Satan rules over this world. But other passages say otherwise, one is Psalm 24:1 “...The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein...” There are 9 others listed here:
10 Bible verses about Earth, Belonging To God

I am not here to engage in a scriptural debate, but to help as I can as a friend. Often the reason we choose to foster one scriptural interpretation over another is our upbringing and personal experiences in life that shape our views. May I ask if you have had any experiences, perhaps unhappy ones, that you'd like to talk about? I am here without judgement if you'd like to discuss it.

Daisies4me · Apr 17, 2017

Upaava said:
May peace be with you, Daisy,

Why did you ignore my latest post about saving the children and revert to older ones?

Scripture can be used to justify most any position. For example, you used a quote that suggests that Satan rules over this world. But other passages say otherwise, one is Psalm 24:1 “...The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein...” There are 9 others listed here:
10 Bible verses about Earth, Belonging To God

I am not here to engage in a sc
riptural debate, but to help as I can as a friend. Often the reason we choose to foster one scriptural interpretation over another is our upbringing and personal experiences in life that shape our views. May I ask if you have had any experiences, perhaps unhappy ones, that you'd like to talk about? I am here without judgement if you'd like to discuss it.

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I feel that there is a complete gap between what was said and what you perceived it to mean. Hon, I am a great grandmother. Seen a lot in my years. but thanks for your kindness, I have no doubt that you mean well.
What shapes my views and about 9 million others around the globe, is an indepth study of the Scriptures.
What I have learned is good news. That is what Jesus calls it, and I concur. The scripture in John that says 'you will know the truth and the truth will set you free', is very true. Once we learn what the Bible really teaches, we are freed from false doctrines of men and those who perpetuate the false teachings. I am very happy. The good news about the Kingdom has liberated me and others with the Bible hope and explanations of how we got to this point and what is to come in the near future.
I don't know what you think that I didn't answer you. Perhaps it was not what you expected, or you didn't get my meanings of things that I stated. If that offended you, I apologize.
Such as the one Jesus called 'the ruler of the world', and then states that that one 'has no hold on me'. That is not understood at first blush by many. It is only one of many that plainly states who is ruling during the 'gentile times', or 'the times of the nations', or until Jesus' rulership over the earth comes to fruition. But it requires more Bible study to get the sense of that reality. I am also not sure which posts that you think I have not responded to...??
This forum layout is not one that is easy for me to navigate on a very small screen. Believe me, I have not deliberately ignored your postings.
May you find true peace

Daisies4me · Apr 17, 2017

Upaava said:
May peace be with you, Daisy,

Why did you ignore my latest post about saving the children and revert to older ones?

Scripture can be used to justify most any position. For example, you used a quote that suggests that Satan rules over this world. But other passages say otherwise, one is Psalm 24:1 “...The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein...” There are 9 others listed here:
10 Bible verses about Earth, Belonging To God

I am not here to engage in a scriptural debate, but to help as I can as a friend. Often the reason we choose to foster one scriptural interpretation over another is our upbringing and personal experiences in life that shape our views. May I ask if you have had any experiences, perhaps unhappy ones, that you'd like to talk about? I am here without judgement if you'd like to discuss it.

(quote) I am very sorry if you feel that I have ignored your posts. I don't recall doing that, but I could have missed a post easily, as this forum is difficult to navigate on my very small screen technology. please, do not think that. And thank you for your kind words. I do not doubt that you are a very kind person, and I do not intentionally promote disharmony. The fact is, however, that I am a great grandmother, and have seen many things in my time, and I find that some things that I speak to, the younger generations don't get, because there have been many changes in our human society on the earth,
If I came across as being 'troubled', please let me assure that quite the opposite is true. I am very content with my life now, and I have the God of the Bible to thanks for calling me out of the world (Rev. 18:3-5) alienated from Him, and teaching me His will. The hope of the Bible brings much comfort to all, and that is what I like to share with others.
please forgive me if I have led you to believe anything otherwise.
May you have peace.

Upaava · Apr 18, 2017

Daisies4me said:
(quote) I am very sorry if you feel that I have ignored your posts. I don't recall doing that, but I could have missed a post easily, as this forum is difficult to navigate on my very small screen technology. please, do not think that. And thank you for your kind words. I do not doubt that you are a very kind person, and I do not intentionally promote disharmony. The fact is, however, that I am a great grandmother, and have seen many things in my time, and I find that some things that I speak to, the younger generations don't get, because there have been many changes in our human society on the earth,
If I came across as being 'troubled', please let me assure that quite the opposite is true. I am very content with my life now, and I have the God of the Bible to thanks for calling me out of the world (Rev. 18:3-5) alienated from Him, and teaching me His will. The hope of the Bible brings much comfort to all, and that is what I like to share with others.
please forgive me if I have led you to believe anything otherwise.
May you have peace.

May peace be with you, Daisy,

I'm sorry you missed the post I referred to; it was #74.

Jesus, for me, is best found in our own hearts, where the message I receive is to always help others, to express love by giving of ourselves to help better the world. How anyone can be aware of the torture and murder of children and not try and help them is beyond my understanding.

One of the traits that we see in the life of Jesus is his love of children-- it is clear that he would always do his best to protect them. Even if compassion alone is not enough to try and save endangered children, we can still emulate the life of Jesus and act to protect them, as he certainly would.

I understand what you are saying and agree with many of your beliefs about the world. I wish you well on your journey and hope that your path will take you where you pray it will.

Thief · Apr 18, 2017

I find it a bit round the bush trying to get people to answer a leading question
I use leading question to keep the focus to topic
and to point

and you think there is no mark upon you?

Daisies4me · Apr 18, 2017

Upaava said:
May peace be with you, Daisy,

I'm sorry you missed the post I referred to; it was #74.

Jesus, for me, is best found in our own hearts, where the message I receive is to always help others, to express love by giving of ourselves to help better the world. How anyone can be aware of the torture and murder of children and not try and help them is beyond my understanding.

One of the traits that we see in the life of Jesus is his love of children-- it is clear that he would always do his best to protect them. Even if compassion alone is not enough to try and save endangered children, we can still emulate the life of Jesus and act to protect them, as he certainly would.

I understand what you are saying and agree with many of your beliefs about the world. I wish you well on your journey and hope that your path will take you where you pray it will.

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certainly, you surely must have misunderstood my words. Never have I said "do not help children' , have I? What do you think that one individual can do to stop what is a global epidemic perpetrated by some of the most powerful persons in the world? For a certainty, my ways of attempting to 'help' may be different from yours, following Jesus' example and and his commandments certainly may seem to be very different that vigilante mobs with no real power.
What is it that YOU personally do to prevent child abuse? Maybe you can clue me in on how you think others should react ? If the law doesn't stop it, and neighbors don't stop it, how are you going to stop it from happening? Surely you must have a clear plan. But to accuse me or others of 'doing nothing' is not a fair statement. Teaching others the truth from the Bible and helping them to bring their lives into harmony with the teachings of Jesus, as we are commanded to do, is not 'helping' in your opinion? True hope and knowledge from the Bible has real power to transform lives and people. The more people who learn and obey, the less people you will have perpetrating crimes against others, don't you think? Being taught by Jehovah is key to true peace and security on this earth.

Daisies4me · Apr 18, 2017

Upaava said:
May peace be with you, Daisy4me, and everyone else reading here,
Because God allows evil to try and corrupt our world does not make it their world. All of creation belongs to God, including this glorious earth that has been given to us. The period we are in is the EndTime period and evil is doing its utmost to undermine God's work. But, as you point out, they will be defeated in the end through the work of the Messiah and God's ultimate intervention. Until that time, we are called upon to do our bests to work against evil, especially to protect innocent children who are being preyed upon.

Perhaps this Carpenters song will help remind you and others to help these innocents:

What matters most, is not to find justifications to give up and let evil triumph, whether by citing scripture that makes evil seem triumphant, or any other reasons to stand by rather than battling against it. I am in my mid-seventies, with children, which gives me special empathy with children everywhere. Perhaps you are younger, not yet a mother, without the empathy for the suffering and death of children that comes with motherhood. That loving and compassionate empathy trumps any words, scriptural or otherwise, because it opens our hearts to the call of Christ to help whenever and wherever we can-- among other things, Yeshua's command to “love one another” is a call to action!!

You once agreed we should not stand by and watch this evil happen without doing something about it. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING--Let's do whatever we can to help end it, or at least to save as many children as possible!!

Please take the time to read the links I shared earlier that show the horrific trafficking of children for pedophilia, diabolical rituals, torture, and murder that is occurring daily-- including babies, infants. Hopefully, that will help open your heart to do your utmost where it counts most-- to help save children from those who are torturing and killing them as we speak.

Around the world children are crying out for help! Who will answer their cries?

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I do not need to watch your video to know what is going on with human trafficking in the world, or who is behind it and promotes it.
Who is behind it, you say?

what is your plan to stop it?

What did people do in the days spoken of in the book of Jeremiah, in the Bible? Do you recall King Manasseh of Israel? Do you recall the god Murdok? How could people then stop the child sacrifice to such false gods?

How was that eventually curtailed? reference 2Kings 21
As I said to you previously, this is not a 'new' thing that is happening on the earth.

The sure hope we have is the coming of God's Kingdom rule over all the earth, which will remove all who perpetuate such heinous acts.
please, do look at Daniel 2:44. God's Kingdom is a real government that will be ruled by Christ our King, and as Revelation 21:3-4 assures us, there will be no no more pain or crying or suffering of any kind.
peace

Upaava · Apr 18, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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I do not need to watch your video to know what is going on with human trafficking in the world, or who is behind it and promotes it.
Who is behind it, you say?

what is your plan to stop it?

What did people do in the days spoken of in the book of Jeremiah, in the Bible? Do you recall King Manasseh of Israel? Do you recall the god Murdok? How could people then stop the child sacrifice to such false gods?

How was that eventually curtailed? reference 2Kings 21
As I said to you previously, this is not a 'new' thing that is happening on the earth.

The sure hope we have is the coming of God's Kingdom rule over all the earth, which will remove all who perpetuate such heinous acts.
please, do look at Daniel 2:44. God's Kingdom is a real government that will be ruled by Christ our King, and as Revelation 21:3-4 assures us, there will be no no more pain or crying or suffering of any kind.
peace

May peace be with you, Daisy,

No mobs or vigilante groups need be involved, and are not what good people need do to stop anything that needs correcting-- they work together helping awaken people to what's occurring through any and all means.

I work with whistleblowers and other good people to expose the evildoers to public scrutiny. Evil works in the shadows and utilizes complacency and apathy to succeed. Through the centuries, many unlawful and evil things have been undone by the work of good people working together, sometimes by the work of a single individual working on the side of the angels.

As has been said, "all it takes for evil to succeed, is for good people to do nothing."

Upaava · Apr 18, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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certainly, you surely must have misunderstood my words. Never have I said "do not help children' , have I? What do you think that one individual can do to stop what is a global epidemic perpetrated by some of the most powerful persons in the world? For a certainty, my ways of attempting to 'help' may be different from yours, following Jesus' example and and his commandments certainly may seem to be very different that vigilante mobs with no real power.
What is it that YOU personally do to prevent child abuse? Maybe you can clue me in on how you think others should react ? If the law doesn't stop it, and neighbors don't stop it, how are you going to stop it from happening? Surely you must have a clear plan. But to accuse me or others of 'doing nothing' is not a fair statement. Teaching others the truth from the Bible and helping them to bring their lives into harmony with the teachings of Jesus, as we are commanded to do, is not 'helping' in your opinion? True hope and knowledge from the Bible has real power to transform lives and people. The more people who learn and obey, the less people you will have perpetrating crimes against others, don't you think? Being taught by Jehovah is key to true peace and security on this earth.

May peace be with you, Daisy,
I replied to both of your recent posts in post #93.

Daisies4me · Apr 18, 2017

Upaava said:
May peace be with you, Daisy,

No mobs or vigilante groups need be involved, and are not what good people need do to stop anything that needs correcting-- they work together helping awaken people to what's occurring through any and all means.

I work with whistleblowers and other good people to expose the evildoers to public scrutiny. Evil
works in the shadows and utilizes complacency and apathy to succeed. Through the centuries, many unlawful and evil things have been undone by the work of good people working together, sometimes by the wor. k of a single individual working on the side of the angels.

As has been said, "all it takes for evil to succeed, is for good people to do nothing."

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very broad generalities, is about all I get out of your description of what you are doing to stop or prevent human trafficking. I don't know of anyone who saw something or knew of something that would hesitate to inform the authorities, so just saying that you are a "whistleblower" brings up many possible scenarios --- isn't 'whistleblowers' a program that provides monetary incentives to individuals who report possible violations of the commodities exchange act? Do you have to have concrete evidence before accusing someone of something illegal?
Help me to understand how that applies to human trafficking or child abuse?
That quote is banded about in many 'patriot' groups around the country to shame people into getting involved is things that may be way over their heads, that much I know. When did you ever hear Jesus or His Apostles say that 'the only way evil can progress is if good men do nothing', or anything near that?

trying to form that with anything Jesus said or did, is nowhere near the thought process of it being 'led by angels'. sorry. God has told His loyal ones to "seek meekness" and to 'seek peace', and to put on the complete 'suit of armor from God', and has warned that the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour' all whom he can. The only hope for this world to become truly peaceful and safe for all, is for God's Kingdom 'to come...upon the earth.' Matthew 6:9-10. That peace of God's Kingdom is also hinged upon the sanctification of God's Holy Name, Jehovah of Armies. Praise Jah, you people.

Upaava · Apr 19, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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very broad generalities, is about all I get out of your description of what you are doing to stop or prevent human trafficking. I don't know of anyone who saw something or knew of something that would hesitate to inform the authorities, so just saying that you are a "whistleblower" brings up many possible scenarios --- isn't 'whistleblowers' a program that provides monetary incentives to individuals who report possible violations of the commodities exchange act? Do you have to have concrete evidence before accusing someone of something illegal?
Help me to understand how that applies to human trafficking or child abuse?
That quote is banded about in many 'patriot' groups around the country to shame people into getting involved is things that may be way over their heads, that much I know. When did you ever hear Jesus or His Apostles say that 'the only way evil can progress is if good men do nothing', or anything near that?

trying to form that with anything Jesus said or did, is nowhere near the thought process of it being 'led by angels'. sorry. God has told His loyal ones to "seek meekness" and to 'seek peace', and to put on the complete 'suit of armor from God', and has warned that the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour' all whom he can. The only hope for this world to become truly peaceful and safe for all, is for God's Kingdom 'to come...upon the earth.' Matthew 6:9-10. That peace of God's Kingdom is also hinged upon the sanctification of God's Holy Name, Jehovah of Armies. Praise Jah, you people.

My peace be with you, Daisy,

It was never my intention to, in any way, shake your faith in God; I respect your faith and agree with many of the same things as you.

I wish you well in your life and hope we both may see the day when God's Kingdom comes upon the earth.

Daisies4me · Apr 19, 2017

Upaava said:
My peace be with you, Daisy,

It was never my intention to, in any way, shake your faith in God; I respect your faith and agree with many of the same things as you.

I wish you well in your life and hope we both may see the day when God's Kingdom comes upon the earth.

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"shake my faith"?? hahahahaha

that was funny. not a chance, luv

take care

Thief · Apr 19, 2017

so....has anyone here.....got their chip yet?

Daisies4me · Apr 20, 2017

Thief said:
so....has anyone here.....got their chip yet?

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no chips here.... no 'mark of the beast', either...I have no involvement with politics, elections, military, et.al., staying separate from the world, Just as Jesus did, and taught His followers to follow His example--keeping separate from the worldly things that engage people to take part is worldly affairs, and bring them under the 'mark'.

How about you?

Thief · Apr 20, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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no chips here.... no 'mark of the beast', either...I have no involvement with politics, elections, military, et.al., staying separate from the world, Just as Jesus did, and taught His followers to follow His example--keeping separate from the worldly things that engage people to take part is worldly affairs, and bring them under the 'mark'.

How about you?

only enough to keep myself alive

some might say....that is too much

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