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I don't like Jehovah

Spiderman

Spiderman

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God's name is not Jehovah

In Hebrew the name of God is spelled YHWH.

About the 13th century the term "Jehovah" appeared when Christian scholars took the consonants of "Yahweh" and pronounced it with the vowels of "Adonai." This resulted in the sound "Yahowah," which has a Latinized spelling of "Jehovah." The first recorded use of this spelling was made by a Spanish Dominican (Catholic) monk, Raymundus Martini, in 1270.
Is God's name Yahweh or Jehovah? | Catholic Answers

However, Jehovah isn't a good name for YHWH and is indeed a Catholic invention, which is interesting because it is used so often by anticatholics.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
lovesong said:
But if everyone agrees that it's the same god, does it really matter what name you give him? Sounds like a really petty debate topic to me.
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The God of the various denominations is different depending on which denomination it is.

I never liked the name Jehovah. I guess it's petty but I was curious what people would say. I'm also curious what Jews have to say about that name.

The name of God is so sacred to many people I figure it's important to inform them of the history of where this particular name came from and that it was a 13th century Catholic invention. Most people don't know that.
 
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omega2xx

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psychoslice said:
I personally believe that God doesn't have a name, as soon as we call God a name we reduce God to a concept, just an idea, and this is why I personally don't like the word God.
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God says He has a name---Ex 3:17

God's 2 names tell us something about Him for our spiritual well being.

When you see "God" in the Bible, it is Elohim. Elohim comes from a word that means "to swear." From this name we see God's covenant relationship with man. God's covenant relationship with man speaks of His love. Elohim is the only name used for God in the creation story. God shows in His name in creation tat by His covenant relationship to us, He can't leave His creation in a fallen state. He must make it very good again. Also, because of His love, He can never leave or forsake His fallen creatures(Heb 13:5). When we see "God" in the Bib le, the emphasis is on His love.

When you see LORD, in all caps it is Jehovah or YHWH. It comes from the verb "to be, and means "One who is what He is." It was translated o Moses as "I AM THAT I AM." LORD reveals God as truth. The truth is not so much as the being of God as the expression of His being. It sow One who being love, is also righteous and holy and therefore must judge evil. It speaks of the One who requires His likeness in His people, When we see LORD in eh "Bible, the emphasis is on the law(Ex 7:6).

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a youth I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my Son.
Mt 2:14 - And he arose and took the child and His mother by night, and departed for 'Egypt, and was there until the death of Herod, that was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, "out of Egypt did I call My Son.
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
It's interesting that an entity that is omnipotent and omniscient has so many attributes in common with one species of primitive inhabitants who have lived on a microscopic speck for a brief period.
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
omega2xx said:
God says He has a name---Ex 3:17

God's 2 names tell us something about Him for our spiritual well being.

When you see "God" in the Bible, it is Elohim. Elohim comes from a word that means "to swear." From this name we see God's covenant relationship with man. God's covenant relationship with man speaks of His love. Elohim is the only name used for God in the creation story. God shows in His name in creation tat by His covenant relationship to us, He can't leave His creation in a fallen state. He must make it very good again. Also, because of His love, He can never leave or forsake His fallen creatures(Heb 13:5). When we see "God" in the Bib le, the emphasis is on His love.

When you see LORD, in all caps it is Jehovah or YHWH. It comes from the verb "to be, and means "One who is what He is." It was translated o Moses as "I AM THAT I AM." LORD reveals God as truth. The truth is not so much as the being of God as the expression of His being. It sow One who being love, is also righteous and holy and therefore must judge evil. It speaks of the One who requires His likeness in His people, When we see LORD in eh "Bible, the emphasis is on the law(Ex 7:6).

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a youth I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my Son.
Mt 2:14 - And he arose and took the child and His mother by night, and departed for 'Egypt, and was there until the death of Herod, that was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, "out of Egypt did I call My Son.
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Interesting, what I mean when I say God has no name is that to name God, or even calling God is reducing God to a mere concept, no one knows what God looks like or what God is, what we read is just that, what we read.
 
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omega2xx

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psychoslice said:
Interesting, what I mean when I say God has no name is that to name God, or even calling God is reducing God to a mere concept, no one knows what God looks like or what God is, what we read is just that, what we read.
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Since God has a name, I don't think He objects to us calling Him by it. IMO, not calling Him by name reduces Him to a concept.

Jn 14:9b - He who has seen Me has seen the Father....
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

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omega2xx said:
Since God has a name, I don't think He objects to us calling Him by it. IMO, not calling Him by name reduces Him to a concept.

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His name is not Jehovah. That name was invented in the 13th century. Perhaps God would prefer being called by his real name
 
Tumah

Tumah

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PopeADope said:
About the 13th century the term "Jehovah" appeared when Christian scholars took the consonants of "Yahweh" and pronounced it with the vowels of "Adonai."
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The Aleppo Codex is a 10th century Jewish manuscript. Not a 13th century Christian scholar.
 
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pearl

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PopeADope said:
The name of God is so sacred to many people I figure it's important to inform them of the history of where this particular name came from and that it was a 13th century Catholic invention. Most people don't know that.
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There are various opinions. Jehovah is not used by Catholics.
The Tetragrammaton is the name of God: the four letter name, spelled in Hebrew: YHVH, translated in English as "I AM". This is the name God revealed to Moses in Exodus. The Jews do not pronounce this name. When they encounter it in Scripture, they substitute "Adonai", which means, "The Lord." Scribes used to write the vowel points of Adonai beneath the Tetragrammaton, to remind the reader to insert the substitution. Later, people began to use these vowel points to pronounce the Tetragrammaton, which rendered Yehovah. In Latin, this rendering became Jehovah.
The Vatican has reiterated a directive that the name of God revealed in the tetragrammaton YHWH is not to be pronounced in Catholic liturgy or music. Catholics at worship should neither sing nor pronounce the name of God as "Yahweh", citing the authority of Jewish and Chrisian practice.
The instruction came in a June 29 letter to Catholic bishops conferences around the world from the Vatican's top liturgical body, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, by an explicit "directive" of Pope Benedict XVI. "In recent years, the practice has crept in of pronouncing the God of Israel's proper name," the letter noted, referring to the four-consonant Hebrew Tetragrammaton, YHWH.

That name is commonly pronounced as "Yahweh," though other versions include "Jaweh" and "Yehovah."

But such pronunciation violates long-standing Jewish tradition, the Vatican reminded bishops.

"As an expression of the infinite greatness and majesty of God, (the name) was held to be unpronounceable and hence was replaced during the reading of sacred Scripture by means of the use of an alternate name: 'Adonai,' which means 'Lord,'" the Congregation said.
 
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