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OT ritual by Jesus and his disciples is missing in the New Testament prior to crucifixion. Why?
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The items within Yeshua's own speech, "the sons of light" is an Essene concept.
"It shall be like the days of Noah, they were eating, and drinking"... We can justify 'drinking' in normal Jewish understanding of scripture; yet 'eating meat' as this could imply, is an Essene concept.
When Yeshua warns, "be weary of the leaven within the bread of the Pharisees", this could be seen as a deliberate contrast to the Essene bread of the time, that was sanctified by what God gives.
The idea that everything is provided for, "that the lily is dressed better than Solomon", and "the raven gets free food", so God will provide everything for free, are Essene concepts.
The prophetic understandings about the soon approaching destruction of Jerusalem, were believed by the Essenes as well.
Can go on... Yet just because we find odd Essene concepts, we can also show odd Pharisaic ones; as we'd expect from the Messiah, to be able to expound upon both concepts.
The idea that we should go with the majority scholarship, as the church has suppressed all other information, isn't logical in my understanding.
David wasn't a priest, so I've heard. According to the law of Moses only Levites could be priests.
Here it says the passage was meant for David's Lord.
You are a Priest Forever
1A Psalm of David. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."
And it goes on to the part about being made "high priest forever"
Who was David's Lord?
The word used here for priest can also mean 'ruler'. Neither was Melchizedek of the Levites (they didn't exist yet), but 'priest' just means someone who minsters, someone who has a certain authority to do something. For instance, we can say that 'he ministers to the sick', but this doesn't mean this person is a minister or a vicar, pastor etc. Also, see the alternate NRSV translation, which also has 'King' instead. Melchizedek was also a King-Priest.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Let me recommend that you get into the details with the Essenes, and you'll better see why the above is unlikely. Jesus, by all indications, was a Pharisee operating from a Pharisee paradigm, as was Paul. Jesus never quotes any of the non-Torah Essene books, at least as far as we can tell, plus he didn't act the part of relative seclusion to avoid ritual contamination.The items within Yeshua's own speech, "the sons of light" is an Essene concept.
"It shall be like the days of Noah, they were eating, and drinking"... We can justify 'drinking' in normal Jewish understanding of scripture; yet 'eating meat' as this could imply, is an Essene concept.
When Yeshua warns, "be weary of the leaven within the bread of the Pharisees", this could be seen as a deliberate contrast to the Essene bread of the time, that was sanctified by what God gives.
The idea that everything is provided for, "that the lily is dressed better than Solomon", and "the raven gets free food", so God will provide everything for free, are Essene concepts.
The prophetic understandings about the soon approaching destruction of Jerusalem, were believed by the Essenes as well.
Can go on... Yet just because we find odd Essene concepts, we can also show odd Pharisaic ones; as we'd expect from the Messiah, to be able to expound upon both concepts.
The idea that we should go with the majority scholarship, as the church has suppressed all other information, isn't logical in my understanding.
But it says Priest forever. It seems like if something isn't lost in translation it can be fairly easily with the Hebrew language.
There are differing ideas. One says it is Abraham (Rashi's commentary):
"The word of the L-rd to my master: Our Rabbis interpreted it as referring to Abraham our father, and I shall explain it according to their words (Mid. Ps. 110:1): The word of the L-rd to Abraham, whom the world called “my master,” as it is written (Gen. 23: 6): “Hearken to us, my master.”"
Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 110
and another says it is David (as David is speaking in third person, so it would be 'The L-rd said to Me').
https://outreachjudaism.org/psalm110/
David's dynasty will exist forever. The Mashiach will be a descendant of David also, as you know.
Like Jesus?
No, he is a dead carpenter.
The same reason Joseph didn't have Mary executed. Reductionism turns the text into an animated being, and pretty soon reductionism leads to women getting executed for being pregnant, doing animal sacrifices for no other reason than the talking book tells them so. The story of Jesus is about someone who rejects the word of God and eventually that becomes the word of god, and a religion forms that eventually begins killing people for being heritics, by the followers of the heritic jesus in his own time. That's in a shell reductionism at work as being personally fundemental. That's true in religion therefore it's true in science.
That's what he gets for being a carpenter!!! Say something sensical and boom dead.today we sue. That probably was brought about because the first two "white collar" degrees were theology and law. 1094 bologna.
Jesus was essene. Some Essenes didn't offer animal sacrifices. One separated as a nazarite could not approach a dead thing. anotther term would be Naassene which are known and mentioned by Hyppolytus in his Refutation of Heresies
Numbers 6
Vegetarian Essenes? - Archaeology Magazine Archive
How can you give to God what God created?
Isaiah 66 talks about the abhorrent act of sacrifice.
Hosea 6:6 reinforces the idea that sacrifices are not necessary.
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order as in pattern. like the avatars of vishnu, like the dalai lama, panchen lamas in tibetan buddhism. it doesn't follow a blood line per se.
melchizedek wasn't jewish, or an israelite.. job, like noah, and job were tzaddik. neither was israelite, or jewish.
It must have been before they established the rules for the priesthood, Since Moses wasn't the Priest, Aaron was.
Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 33:7-11 - New International Version
I know.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
On the Essenes:
A little later, Josephus gave a detailed account of the Essenes in The Jewish War (c. 75 CE), with a shorter description in Antiquities of the Jews (c. 94 CE) and The Life of Flavius Josephus (c. 97 CE). Claiming first hand knowledge, he lists the Essenoi as one of the three sects of Jewish philosophy alongside the Pharisees and the Sadducees. He relates the same information concerning piety, celibacy, the absence of personal property and of money, the belief in communality, and commitment to a strict observance of Sabbath. He further adds that the Essenes ritually immersed in water every morning, ate together after prayer, devoted themselves to charity and benevolence, forbade the expression of anger, studied the books of the elders, preserved secrets, and were very mindful of the names of the angels kept in their sacred writings...
The accounts by Josephus and Philo show that the Essenes led a strictly communal life... Also, they were forbidden from swearing oaths and from sacrificing animals... Josephus and Philo provide lengthy accounts of their communal meetings, meals and religious celebrations...
After a total of three years' probation, newly joining members would take an oath that included the commitment to practice piety towards "the Deity" (το θειον) and righteousness towards humanity, to maintain a pure lifestyle, to abstain from criminal and immoral activities, to transmit their rules uncorrupted and to preserve the books of the Essenes and the names of the Angels...
One theory on the formation of the Essenes suggests that the movement was founded by a Jewish high priest, dubbed by the Essenes the Teacher of Righteousness, whose office had been usurped by Jonathan (of priestly but not of Zadokitelineage), labeled the "man of lies" or "false priest". Others follow this line and a few argue that the Teacher of Righteousness was not only the leader of the Essenes at Qumran, but was also identical to the original Jesus [Essa] about 150 years before the time of the Gospels...
Some Essene rituals, such as daily immersion in the mikveh, coincide with contemporary Hasidic practices; some historians have also suggested that the name "Essene" is a Hellenized form of the word "Hasidim" or "Hasid" ("pious ones")... Essenes - Wikipedia
Again, there's no indication that Jesus fits well with them.
A little later, Josephus gave a detailed account of the Essenes in The Jewish War (c. 75 CE), with a shorter description in Antiquities of the Jews (c. 94 CE) and The Life of Flavius Josephus (c. 97 CE). Claiming first hand knowledge, he lists the Essenoi as one of the three sects of Jewish philosophy alongside the Pharisees and the Sadducees. He relates the same information concerning piety, celibacy, the absence of personal property and of money, the belief in communality, and commitment to a strict observance of Sabbath. He further adds that the Essenes ritually immersed in water every morning, ate together after prayer, devoted themselves to charity and benevolence, forbade the expression of anger, studied the books of the elders, preserved secrets, and were very mindful of the names of the angels kept in their sacred writings...
The accounts by Josephus and Philo show that the Essenes led a strictly communal life... Also, they were forbidden from swearing oaths and from sacrificing animals... Josephus and Philo provide lengthy accounts of their communal meetings, meals and religious celebrations...
After a total of three years' probation, newly joining members would take an oath that included the commitment to practice piety towards "the Deity" (το θειον) and righteousness towards humanity, to maintain a pure lifestyle, to abstain from criminal and immoral activities, to transmit their rules uncorrupted and to preserve the books of the Essenes and the names of the Angels...
One theory on the formation of the Essenes suggests that the movement was founded by a Jewish high priest, dubbed by the Essenes the Teacher of Righteousness, whose office had been usurped by Jonathan (of priestly but not of Zadokitelineage), labeled the "man of lies" or "false priest". Others follow this line and a few argue that the Teacher of Righteousness was not only the leader of the Essenes at Qumran, but was also identical to the original Jesus [Essa] about 150 years before the time of the Gospels...
Some Essene rituals, such as daily immersion in the mikveh, coincide with contemporary Hasidic practices; some historians have also suggested that the name "Essene" is a Hellenized form of the word "Hasidim" or "Hasid" ("pious ones")... Essenes - Wikipedia
Again, there's no indication that Jesus fits well with them.