Genesis - God Said

Fool · Apr 6, 2017

RedDragon94 said:
Christians believe they are adopted into the family of God, those references are not references to creation but adoption.

Do you think Jesus thought he was just some radical rabbi who could heal people?

even jesus had to be adopted then, and at best he was a demi-god because he was born supposedly of a spirit and a human.

9 At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11 And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”

so what changed about jesus? prior to this epiphany because God didn't recognize him as his son until that day

I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.

RedDragon94 · Apr 6, 2017

Fool said:
even jesus had to be adopted then,

9 At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11 And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”

so what changed about jesus? prior to this epiphany because God didn't recognize him as his son until that day

I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.

Luke 1:35

Fool · Apr 6, 2017

RedDragon94 said:
Luke 1:35

yes, all are born of the Spirit....

I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

ruach = Spirit/Mind

and god breathed the Spirit into man and he became a living soul

nephesh = soul

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

the Spirit quickeneth the form counts for nothing

Fool · Apr 6, 2017

RedDragon94 said:
Luke 1:35

fyi, buddhism teaches this same idea. that the spirit chooses the vessel for the manifestation of the consciousness at conception, creation. the forms come and go but the diamond mind, mind of christ/christ consciousness, is forever.

RedDragon94 · Apr 6, 2017

Fool said:
and god breathed the Spirit into man and he became a living soul

What translation are you reading?

Evie · Apr 6, 2017

URAVIP2ME said:
To me, at Matthew19:28 and Luke 22:28-30 Jesus is making an association to 'his followers' about Jesus' coming glory time. So, the reference is to a regeneration, or renewal, which would be about God's purpose for the Earth to be fully accomplished by Jesus, who is King of God's kingdom. Children of God would be set free from corruption.
- Romans 8:19-21

Since Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed forever, are their atoms destroyed.
Adam had No pre-human existence, but was created from the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19
Adam went from non-life, to life, and ' returned ' back to non-life.

A scientist claimed to be able to create man from the dirt of the ground, as all elements man consists of can be found in dirt. He prepared to give a demonstration of his claim and grabbed a handful of dirt. A voice boomed down from the sky saying: 'GET YOUR OWN DIRT'.

Fool · Apr 6, 2017

RedDragon94 said:
What translation are you reading?

ruach literally means: mind, breath, wind, spirit

even in the english language, spiritual is a synonym for mental

spirit

Also from mid-14c. as "character, disposition; way of thinking and feeling, state of mind; source of a human desire;" in Middle English freedom of spirit meant "freedom of choice." From late 14c. as "divine substance, divine mind, God;" also "Christ" or His divine nature; "the Holy Ghost; divine power;"

Fool · Apr 6, 2017

Evie said:
A scientist claimed to be able to create man from the dirt of the ground, as all elements man consists of can be found in dirt. He prepared to give a demonstration of his claim and grabbed a handful of dirt. A voice boomed down from the sky saying: 'GET YOUR OWN DIRT'.

man consists of a Spiritual aspect too, it tempers the spirit by being shackled, imprisoned in the flesh. the sword of justice cuts both ways.

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

Evie · Apr 6, 2017

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Fool said:
man consists of a Spiritual aspect too, it tempers the spirit by being shackled, imprisoned in the flesh. the sword of justice cuts both ways.

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

that bears contemplating. You may be right there.

Fool · Apr 6, 2017

Evie said:
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that bears contemplating. You may be right there.

colossians 3:11 know thyself

john 21:15

feed my christs

15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

you are the light of the world, a city set on a mountain cannot be hid

And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

bring me sunlight

Kelly of the Phoenix · Apr 7, 2017

Fool said:
OK, metaphor for what?

I would've said titles instead, actually.

It's not like "God" is God's name or anything.

RedDragon94 said:
According to the creeds he is begotten, not made.

But we're all begotten, not made, unless you count genetic manipulation or something in a test tube....

RedDragon94 said:
Do you think Jesus thought he was just some radical rabbi who could heal people?

What he was and what he thought he was doesn't have to be the same thing.

Evie said:
A scientist claimed to be able to create man from the dirt of the ground, as all elements man consists of can be found in dirt. He prepared to give a demonstration of his claim and grabbed a handful of dirt. A voice boomed down from the sky saying: 'GET YOUR OWN DIRT'.

Technically, so should God. Only Light is spoken into existence if you read it carefully. Everything else is merely ordered from a chaotic "soup", as it were. God only created Light. He just tweaked everything else.

capumetu · Apr 7, 2017

Good question, yes Jesus, as well as all the other angels and Adam and Eve were created. Only Adams offspring was procreated.

Revelation 3:14 calls the faithful witness (Jesus) the beginning of the creation of God. Col 1:15 calls him the firstborn of every creature Speaking of the beginning of creation the Word (Jesus) was there and Proverbs speaks of wisdom (Jesus) being the start of the way of Jehovah chap 8:22 and going along with Jn 1:1 as well as Col 1:16 verse 30 calls Jesus the master craftsman in which everything (with the exception of himself) came into existence through him

Hope that helps.

capumetu @yours.com No space after u

Evie · Apr 7, 2017

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Kelly of the Phoenix said:
I would've said titles instead, actually.

It's not like "God" is God's name or anything.

But we're all begotten, not made, unless you count genetic manipulation or something in a test tube....

What he was and what he thought he was doesn't have to be the same thing.

Technically, so should God. Only Light is spoken into existence if you read it carefully. Everything else is merely ordered from a chaotic "soup", as it were. God only created Light. He just tweaked everything else.

Now that's something you don't hear every day. 'God tweaked' everything into existence. I love it.

Fool · Apr 7, 2017

capumetu said:
Good question, yes Jesus, as well as all the other angels and Adam and Eve were created. Only Adams offspring was procreated.

Revelation 3:14 calls the faithful witness (Jesus) the beginning of the creation of God. Col 1:15 calls him the firstborn of every creature Speaking of the beginning of creation the Word (Jesus) was there and Proverbs speaks of wisdom (Jesus) being the start of the way of Jehovah chap 8:22 and going along with Jn 1:1 as well as Col 1:16 verse 30 calls Jesus the master craftsman in which everything (with the exception of himself) came into existence through him

Hope that helps.

capumetu @yours.com No space after u

a person who witnesses the act is not the same as the actor who creates the actions.

FYI, god created adam; which is also called the son of God, and Melchizedek too.

the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

melchizedek
Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

viole · Apr 7, 2017

Fool said:
Is the son of god a creation? a person? an offspring?

God is like a baryon made of three quarks. Remove one quark, if you can, and you lose the baryon. So, there cannot be God without His components. Actually, He is His three components. At all times, if He is eternal.

Ergo, when God flooded all those women and children, the meek and sweet quark was watching. And probably agreeing.

Ciao

- viole

rusra02 · Apr 7, 2017

Fool said:
Jesus was a person. God is not considered to be a person and the OT states that there is no other besides me, referring to El, or the Absolute.

I believe God is a spirit being, who resides in a definite location. Hebrews 9:24 says that "Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf." Thus God dwells in heaven.

URAVIP2ME · Apr 7, 2017

Fool said:
ruach literally means: mind, breath, wind, spirit
even in the english language, spiritual is a synonym for mental
spirit
Also from mid-14c. as "character, disposition; way of thinking and feeling, state of mind; source of a human desire;" in Middle English freedom of spirit meant "freedom of choice." From late 14c. as "divine substance, divine mind, God;" also "Christ" or His divine nature; "the Holy Ghost; divine power;"

Mortal Adam did Not come to life until after God ' breathed ' the ' breath of life ' into life-less Adam according to Genesis 2:7

URAVIP2ME · Apr 7, 2017

rusra02 said:
I believe God is a spirit being, who resides in a definite location. Hebrews 9:24 says that "Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf." Thus God dwells in heaven.

I like how you bring out that God is a Spirit Being. To me a ' being' would need a location.
I found at 1 Kings 8:30 that God has a specific dwelling place as also mentioned at 1 kings 8:39,49
So, to me, God is Not omnipresent, but resides in the heavens independent of our physical heavens that we see.
Wonder what that ZIP code would be !

URAVIP2ME · Apr 7, 2017

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
I would've said titles instead, actually.
It's not like "God" is God's name or anything.
But we're all begotten, not made, unless you count genetic manipulation or something in a test tube....
What he was and what he thought he was doesn't have to be the same thing.
Technically, so should God. Only Light is spoken into existence if you read it carefully. Everything else is merely ordered from a chaotic "soup", as it were. God only created Light. He just tweaked everything else.

Right you are. God is a title as Lord is a title and Not a personal name as the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) is a name.

Yes, agree we are all begotten. We can all be made, so to speak, by being pro-created starting with father Adam.
A parent can also ' make ' the already ' made ' pro-created child do something such as: sit in a chair, etc.

Seems as if God ' criss crossed ' the Light at Genesis 1:4-5. Could that also mean even tweaking the Light.

URAVIP2ME · Apr 7, 2017

Fool said:
colossians 3:11 know thyself
john 21:15
15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
you are the light of the world, a city set on a mountain cannot be hid
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
bring me sunlight

...and *sunlight* it is: Spiritual sunlight that is which grows brighter and lighter every day according to Proverbs 4:18
We'll see *full daylight*, so to speak, under Jesus' coming perfect 1000-year governmental day over Earth begins.

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