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Islam and women
- Thread starter Melody
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Buttons* said:
Read the history.
Good question.
In Quran God asked men to cover before asking women to do so.
[30] Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. (Quran 24:30)
Then after that God asked women to cover as well in the next verse:
[31] And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. (Quran 24:31)
One might ask, why women covering is different and we say, a man is not a woman and everybody knows that men look to the most uncover part of women to enjoy looking at it but women look at the most covered parts from men because men's naked body is not attractive the same as women.
Therefore, men have specific places where they should cover and women have their own as well.
When prophet Mohammed "peace be upon him" was about to die in his bed and people around him, guess what was the last thing he said before he die?He was asking men to treat women in good manner and respect.He said: "استوصوا بالنساء خيراً"
kai said:
I don't know about what you have just mentioned because i'm not aware of all hadiths but from the hadiths which i have read prophet Mohammed mentioned treating women in good way for the men around him then when the angel came to take the permission in taking his soul and asking him to choose whether to live forever then to go to heaven or to choose meeting God and heaven in that moment then prophet Mohammed said: "في الرفيق الأعلى" and in english it means if i'm not mistaken "to the best or high company" then after that the angel took his soul "peace and blessing be upon him", my beloved prophet.
By the way, prophet Mohammed have been forgiven all his sins in his life whether it was in his past or in the later in the future and even though while he was alive he was asking God to forgive him always and when they were asking him about it "because they think he doesn't need to ask for forgivness" he was answering them that he is thanking God for that and he was remembering Allah alot all the time and praying to him.
Judgement Day
Active Member
To be honest with you, everytime I hang out with my friends, whenever they see a pretty woman pass by, they start talking about how sexy she is.."hey look at her ***", "wow shes hot" and their eyes starts to gaze and explore every inch of her body. And that does not only happen here, but everywhere where there are men. Thats the way how most of men looks at women, by their physical attractiveness, its like their fate to do that. Just like diamonds, it attract thieves whenever its vulnerable. I feel really sad seeing how women show off their body to public, where are all those respect for themselves. Getting exploited and stripped in the name of art...where is...self-respect??egroen said:
Melody
Well-Known Member
Judgement Day said:
You've obviously never been in a group of women when a good looking guy walks by. It's universal and no respect of religion. I've witnessed a group of muslim women (covered in sacks) with their heads together, eyeing a handsome man and giggling like school girls. I've witnessed a group of young Amish women doing the same.
By your reasoning, men should be wearing sacks too.
Melody said:
And, adding to that line of reasoning, also consider why the Chippendales have continued to be such a hot ticket.
Peace,
Mystic
jamaesi
To Save A Lamb
That's incredibly disrespectful. I'm going to guess this was in America where there is a very high change they are choosing to dress that way themselves (and good for them!). I also highly doubt they were out wearing a potato sack and were instead wearing some sort of hijab.
If a woman chooses to wear revealing clothing she's branded a whore and some try to justify violating her.
If a woman chooses to dress conservatively she's called repressed and people whisper about her as she passes.
It's tiresome.
Melody
Well-Known Member
jamaesi said:
You missed my point. If women are to wear the hijab because men are too weak to control their baser instincts, then men also should wear the hijab since I've seen the same behavior from women.
My sister's neighbor wears a hijab. Not because she wants to but because her husband converted to Islam and it was either that or he would divorce her. I'd say that's repressed.
jamaesi
To Save A Lamb
Telling someone their dress looks like a sack is hardly ever polite. If you don't like it you don't need be insulting about it.
Both men and women are told in the Qur'an to be modest. The Qu'ran does not say how modest you must be but for women to cover the chests and men to cover from navel to knee. They are free to cover as much more as they feel is proper for their situation. When people start dictating what other people are to wear then it stops being Islam and begins being their twisted version of it.
His whims do not represent Islam. If he's that controlling there I do not doubt there are other problems in the relationship and I also doubt they can be neatly blamed on Islam and not him.
My SO (who is Muslim, and was born in a Muslim country and has lived there half his life) has told me he would rather not have me cover, but it's my choice how I dress.
egroen
Member
I do not like the line of reasoning from the last page or so... that women need to cover so that they can be treated like human beings by men, whom otherwise would be panting and trying to hump her leg.
If men are such dogs, as many have asserted, why has the burden of this responsibility been placed on women? Why must women cover themselves and avert their eyes? Why are men not required to cover their eyes when a woman is about, if they are such pigs?
-Erin
If men are such dogs, as many have asserted, why has the burden of this responsibility been placed on women? Why must women cover themselves and avert their eyes? Why are men not required to cover their eyes when a woman is about, if they are such pigs?
-Erin
Melody said:
If it was a matter of opnion i would say alot about christianity, how they looks like, their acts, etc. but i'll prefer not to insult christianity because one member of them and Islam taught us to respect all religions.
If you don't like how they wear so you have to resepct it at least because they believe it's part of their religion as you believe Jesus was God.
Melody said:
As Peace did say don't just pick the bad example and try not to judge the whole religion by one person or by a specific group of them.
For example my fiance, she said that she couldn't understand christianity then converted to Islam by her own will because i told her before that i have no problem to get married with any girl from the people of the book and what matter for me the most is the love between us. Then, she became interested in islam and converted after a while because she saw how i treated her, she loved the way i worship and obey the only God almighty and fear no one but him. After a while she came asking if i'll force her to wear hijab like what she hear about SOME muslims but i told her that hijab is the right thing to do in islam but if you are not ready now to wear so i won't force you because this is between you and God and if you did it, so it won't be for me. Until today she didn't wear it yet and i have no problem with it but of course i pary that one day she will do it.
I can see the logic in the "hadith" clothing of women in the Islam religion, and Ezzedean made a very good point about the young women in the Western Culture's obsessiveness or should I say many have a distored view of an acceptable body image. However, I was reading a little bit on the net about the Muslim religion and unfortunately, many men take that verse(about hitting the wife) very literally, and you may say that it wasn't interpreted right because of the translation, but it happens to more women than you may like to think, if YOU ARE the one's trying to dispute that verse (like the Muslumsjust posted), I hate to say this but it's very prevalent amoung Muslim men to hit their wife for disobedience. That concerns me, but what can I do. I don't know why the Muslim men who are commiting these acts are not aware of the error or mistranslation in the Quaran or Koran.