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Genesis - God Said

Kelly of the Phoenix

Kelly of the Phoenix

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I'm fine with the universe maybe being one big body and everything we see are organelles or cells or whatever. If I were sick, I don't see a need to go all Fantastic Voyage and shrink myself down to take care of it ... just pop some antibiotics and move on with my day and all the inhabitants of my cells will never know I'm a person.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
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Guy Threepwood said:
I think that makes sense also yes.

If I understand your point- if we define 'universe' in it's largest possible sense, 'literally all existence' then any creative mechanism- ID or natural- must fall within that definition right? So the univese by this definition, must ultimately be self-explanatory..
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yes, know thyself.

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
 
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Evie

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Hmmmm
Fool said:
yes, know thyself.

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
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!!!!
Fool said:
yes, know thyself.

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
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. Hmmm!!!!!
 
Fool

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Evie said:
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Jesus said He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
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jesus said "I AM" alpha and omega. if then, we too are eternal beings having everlasting life, aren't we regenerating our own microcosms/infinite I's?
 
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Evie

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If
Fool said:
jesus said "I AM" alpha and omega. if then, we too are eternal beings having everlasting life, aren't we regenerating our own microcosms/infinite I's?
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Believe what you choose to believe. We are all free to do so. Well not all maybe, as some cultures are induced to believe what others desire them to believe.
 
Fool

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Evie said:
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Believe what you choose to believe. We are all free to do so. Well not all maybe, as some cultures are induced to believe what others desire them to believe.
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i used the term regeneration because it is used twice in the NT.

the idea can also be equated to E = m(c*c); which implies energy and matter are the same thing. we know this from the photon. photons can be both a particle(matter) and a wave(energy). or the 1st law of thermodynamics; which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. it simply changes form.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Fool said:
yes, know thyself.
(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
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Verse (3) of what Bible verse. I can't find the ^above^ quote in the Bible, so where did Jesus say the ^ above^.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Fool said:
Jesus was a person. God is not considered to be a person and the OT states that there is no other besides me, referring to El, or the Absolute.
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Yes, Jesus was a person. A 'spirit person' before God sent the pre-human heavenly Jesus to Earth.
If God is Not a person, then how could heavenly spirit Jesus appear before God according to Hebrews 9:24.
We, as persons, have dwelling places, and according to 1 Kings 8:39,43,49 God has His own dwelling place.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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In th beginning ( before anything else existed ) there was the Word and the Father. They were "God".The Word was actually Jesus before He was born in a physical body. So the Word has always existed. It was not created or made. When it was born as Jesus it became begotten by the Father. But He existed before that in spirit form.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Fool said:
i used the term regeneration because it is used twice in the NT.
the idea can also be equated to E = m(c*c); which implies energy and matter are the same thing. we know this from the photon. photons can be both a particle(matter) and a wave(energy). or the 1st law of thermodynamics; which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. it simply changes form.
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To me, at Matthew19:28 and Luke 22:28-30 Jesus is making an association to 'his followers' about Jesus' coming glory time. So, the reference is to a regeneration, or renewal, which would be about God's purpose for the Earth to be fully accomplished by Jesus, who is King of God's kingdom. Children of God would be set free from corruption.
- Romans 8:19-21

Since Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed forever, are their atoms destroyed.
Adam had No pre-human existence, but was created from the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19
Adam went from non-life, to life, and ' returned ' back to non-life.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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lostwanderingsoul said:
In th beginning ( before anything else existed ) there was the Word and the Father. They were "God".The Word was actually Jesus before He was born in a physical body. So the Word has always existed. It was not created or made. When it was born as Jesus it became begotten by the Father. But He existed before that in spirit form.
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According to Psalms 90:2 God had No beginning ( meaning only God existed before the beginning ).
The Word had a beginning according to Revelation 1:5; Revelation 3:14 B; Colossians 1:15
So, Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
The pre-human Jesus was God's first born. Not His first born on Earth but in the heavens.
So, the pre-human Jesus was God's only-begotten Son in the heavens before God sent Jesus to Earth.
 
RedDragon94

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Fool said:
Is the son of god a creation? a person? an offspring?
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According to the creeds he is begotten, not made.

I believe if one believes what the Bible says then to that person Jesus is not created and is God.
 
Fool

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ChristineM said:
So tell be about about the plural one god... That actually made me laugh

Seems you have not read the babble, particularly Psalms 82:1, 89:6–7 etc
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ah then allow me to quote, "Singularity can only be manifested by Plurality. Singularity and the idea of Singularity are already Plural."

thus you have the idea; which is the potential for something, and the actualized; which is the idea manifested. or another way of stating it, thy kingdom come thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven. the Universe is a singularity that manifests as a binary. same idea comes from hinduism too.

the same idea as man; which is a plural noun too. man = mankind

this same idea is conveyed with adam vs adam. the second is actually derived from the first

same concept of deer as a herd, or whole, and deer as a reference to a singular/individual quadruped, ungulate.


love forms a singularity; where two become one as having the same mind, empathy, one towards the other. which one is Love? both loving self and other as self.


and yes i've read the whole bible and unfortunately i'm not a christian, or a jew.




the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

you and I have played together before, if you posted on bnet.
 
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Fool

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RedDragon94 said:
According to the creeds he is begotten, not made.

I believe if one believes what the Bible says then to that person Jesus is not created and is God.
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you can't create something from nothing and beget means to procreate. God created everything as part of I AM, the ineffable name, or names of name, or Lord of lords, or King of Kings.


I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.


Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why dowe profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?


“This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,


Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
 
RedDragon94

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Fool said:
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why dowe profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?


“This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,


Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
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Christians believe they are adopted into the family of God, those references are not references to creation but adoption.

Do you think Jesus thought he was just some radical rabbi who could heal people?
 
Fool

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URAVIP2ME said:
To me, at Matthew19:28 and Luke 22:28-30 Jesus is making an association to 'his followers' about Jesus' coming glory time. So, the reference is to a regeneration, or renewal, which would be about God's purpose for the Earth to be fully accomplished by Jesus, who is King of God's kingdom. Children of God would be set free from corruption.
- Romans 8:19-21

Since Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed forever, are their atoms destroyed.
Adam had No pre-human existence, but was created from the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19
Adam went from non-life, to life, and ' returned ' back to non-life.
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the bible doesn't say jesus is coming back. it says christ will return. jesus said he would send a comforter, that comes in the clouds of heaven with great power. thoughts are like clouds, ideas; especially about love, kindness, and patience have the power to move mountains. the kingdom comes from within you, heaven and hell are states of mind.


be still and know god, i will be exalted among the nations, languages, religions, i will exalted in the earth.

heaven is my throne and earth is my footstool, foundation, where is the house you will build for me? have i not created all these things? am I not that I AM?


Body like a Mountain, Heart like an Ocean, Mind like the Sky ...


Body like a mountain, Heart like an ocean, Mind like the sky


the body is the temple of the holy spirit, the holy consciousness
 
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