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What does Abraham mean?

sealchan

Well-Known Member
HUMMM! Switch around a letter A and you have Brahma.

Abraham is called Father of all.

Brahma is called progenitor of all humans.

According to several scholars, the Hebrew words "Ab" means " father" and "Ram" means "High". Again "Ab" means "father" and "Bara" means "Creator" and "Am" means "people". Thus Abraham means "like Brahma, the creator of the people" or father of a religious dynasty.” Yahoo's Aabaco Small Business: Websites, Ecommerce, Email & Local Listings

Consider the word Bharata. This word is formed from the Sanskrit root ‘Bhara’, which under the sway of the rule of vowelization, may assume the form ‘Ibhar’, ‘Iber’, ‘Ibhray’, ‘Ibhri’, ‘Ibri’, ‘Ibrini’ etc. Words which all have been equated with the term Hebrew.”

What was Abraham's sister/wife called? Sarai/Sarah

What was Brahma's sister/wife called? Sarai/Saraswati

Abraham told Pharaoh and the King of Gerer that Sarai was his sister.

The bible also states that Ishmael, son of his wife Hagar, and his descendants lived in India. "...Ishmael breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his kin... They dwelt from Havilah (India), by Shur, which is close to Egypt, all the way to Asshur." (Genesis 25:17-18.)

"It is the opinion of Kalisch, however, that Havilah "in both instances designates the same country, extending at least from the Persian to the Arabian Gulf, and on account of its vast extent easily divided into two distinct parts." This opinion may be well vindicated." Havilah Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

Look at a map - this includes India.

The names of his sons, Isaac and Ishmael are derive from Sanskrit: (Hebrew) Ishaak = (Sanskrit) Ishakhu = "Friend of Shiva." (Hebrew) Ishmael = (Sanskrit) Ish-Mahal = "Great Shiva."

"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)

"The tribe of Ioud or the Brahmin Abraham, left the Maturea of the kingdom of Oude in India and, settling in Goshen, or the house of the Sun or Heliopolis in Egypt, gave it the name of the place which they had left in India, Maturea." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 405.)

"...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), (Book I:22.)

The Bible tells us he and family went from Ur to Egypt before being called. All goods and people from India went through Ur.

Very interesting, YES?

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Yes!

I've been studying Genesis closely and have seen several story elements in it that relate to other stories from other cultures. In particular I see a lot of Jacob's story as having similarities with the Mahabharata especially around the Game of Dice story.

I've also seen how Egyptian mythology plays into the stories in early Genesis and of course the Sumerian/Bablylonian flood myth. Also the Odyssey. It seems that there was a great wealth of spiritual epic stories and any culture with access to it could craft its own people's spiritual epic from the bones of others.

Great stuff!
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Yes!

I've been studying Genesis closely and have seen several story elements in it that relate to other stories from other cultures. In particular I see a lot of Jacob's story as having similarities with the Mahabharata especially around the Game of Dice story.

I've also seen how Egyptian mythology plays into the stories in early Genesis and of course the Sumerian/Bablylonian flood myth. Also the Odyssey. It seems that there was a great wealth of spiritual epic stories and any culture with access to it could craft its own people's spiritual epic from the bones of others.

Great stuff!

Have you noticed in the Story, that there are other story lines that compare to the Bible stories?

For instance Devarata/Bhishma’s refusal to sleep with his brother’s wife, to provide an heir for that dead brother.

Pandu abandoned in a basket on the river (like Moses).

After Karna was born (son of Surya the Sun God,) Kunti remained a virgin. We know the Hebrew God is connected to the Sun.

Duryodhana uncovering his thigh (obscene in that culture) as the meaning is penis. As it is in the Hebrew.

Dhritarashtra and Yudhishthira throw dice/lots leaving the results to fate. We have several Hebrew stories of the throwing of lots for fate. And as you know – we can go into Odin, etc., as well.

When the Pandavas are in the wilderness, followed by many loyal Brahmins and servants, the gods give them an inexhaustible supply of food. Manna in the wilderness.

And of course the ancient historians tell us the Hebrew are a tribe from India.

"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)

"The tribe of Ioud or the Brahmin Abraham, left the Maturea of the kingdom of Oude in India and, settling in Goshen, or the house of the Sun or Heliopolis in Egypt, gave it the name of the place which they had left in India, Maturea." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 405.)

And of course we have the Hebrew "Out of Egypt" story.

"...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), (Book I:22.)

EDIT - Forgot to mention that All three, Hebrew, Indian, Nordic, have tree stories, wars, conversations, getting married. Trees representing humans. Tree tribes, Tree magic, etc.



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sealchan

Well-Known Member
Have you noticed in the Story, that there are other story lines that compare to the Bible stories?

For instance Devarata/Bhishma’s refusal to sleep with his brother’s wife, to provide an heir for that dead brother.

Pandu abandoned in a basket on the river (like Moses).

After Karna was born (son of Surya the Sun God,) Kunti remained a virgin. We know the Hebrew God is connected to the Sun.

Duryodhana uncovering his thigh (obscene in that culture) as the meaning is penis. As it is in the Hebrew.

Dhritarashtra and Yudhishthira throw dice/lots leaving the results to fate. We have several Hebrew stories of the throwing of lots for fate. And as you know – we can go into Odin, etc., as well.

When the Pandavas are in the wilderness, followed by many loyal Brahmins and servants, the gods give them an inexhaustible supply of food. Manna in the wilderness.

And of course the ancient historians tell us the Hebrew are a tribe from India.

"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)

"The tribe of Ioud or the Brahmin Abraham, left the Maturea of the kingdom of Oude in India and, settling in Goshen, or the house of the Sun or Heliopolis in Egypt, gave it the name of the place which they had left in India, Maturea." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 405.)

And of course we have the Hebrew "Out of Egypt" story.

"...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), (Book I:22.)

EDIT - Forgot to mention that All three, Hebrew, Indian, Nordic, have tree stories, wars, conversations, getting married. Trees representing humans. Tree tribes, Tree magic, etc.



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Its actually a little more involved even than those isolated similiarities...the motifs of the story of Jacob and of the Mahabharata have many similarities although the two stories greatly differ. The difference makes the motifs less noticable.

Consider the following:
  • The blind father Isaac = the blind king Dhritarashtra
  • The two sons who fight for the inheritance Esau/Jacob = Pandava/Kaurava
  • The exile of Jacob/Pandava for 20/13 years
  • The tricky uncle Laban/Shakuni
  • The rigged game/negotiation "loaded dice"/"sorted animals"
  • The vital intervention of the wife on her period Rachel/Draupati
  • The assistance of God in that wife's intervention God/Krishna
All these themes that each story has in common though thoroughly remixed and recombined in Jacob's story (which I take to be the latter one) speak to either a direct influence of the Mahabharate on the crafting of the Jacob story OR the common source of an epic framework perhaps in oral story-telling from which both stories have drawn.

I would argue that this more complex similarity helps bolster the possibility of the likely influence of Hindu myth on the Bible in those more isolated, simpler examples you mention.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Its actually a little more involved even than those isolated similiarities...the motifs of the story of Jacob and of the Mahabharata have many similarities although the two stories greatly differ. The difference makes the motifs less noticable.

Consider the following:
  • The blind father Isaac = the blind king Dhritarashtra
  • The two sons who fight for the inheritance Esau/Jacob = Pandava/Kaurava
  • The exile of Jacob/Pandava for 20/13 years
  • The tricky uncle Laban/Shakuni
  • The rigged game/negotiation "loaded dice"/"sorted animals"
  • The vital intervention of the wife on her period Rachel/Draupati
  • The assistance of God in that wife's intervention God/Krishna
All these themes that each story has in common though thoroughly remixed and recombined in Jacob's story (which I take to be the latter one) speak to either a direct influence of the Mahabharate on the crafting of the Jacob story OR the common source of an epic framework perhaps in oral story-telling from which both stories have drawn.

I would argue that this more complex similarity helps bolster the possibility of the likely influence of Hindu myth on the Bible in those more isolated, simpler examples you mention.

As I've shown, the Ancient historians say the Hebrew are originally from India.

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sealchan

Well-Known Member
As I've shown, the Ancient historians say the Hebrew are originally from India.

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I'd welcome some further internet reading if you have some links.

To me the idea seems a little far fetched that the Jews came from India. I would believe that they might have been influenced by or that a number of them had moved to there. They certainly were an important presence in Alexandria Egypt. Both of your references Megasthenes and Josephus (who might have referenced Meagsthenes himself)) were people who lived around 350 BC or later yet there is archeological evidence of the Jews in Palestine from earlier than that time. But the Jews also have deep roots in Canaanite myth and Egyptian myth.
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
I would even make the case that a form of the Bhagavad Gita can be found in Genesis 32:22-32 with the, perhaps, amusing reversal (when compared to the Gita) of Jacob fighting with God while he sits between the two armies (of his uncle and brother who are never meant to fight each other but potential have a fight to fight with Jacob) with whom he will escape conflict by virtue of discussion. This inverts the Gita--which scripture itself stands amidst the bulk of the Mahabharata and at its center--where our hero Arjuna who sits between the two armies of his divided brothers talks (not fights) with God (Krishna) and reaches a deep "philosophical understanding of his value and purpose...but the end result is that the two armies meet and fight. Whereas the Bhagavad Gita is a summary and distillation of the highest teachings of Hinduism, Genesis has Jacob win a wrestling match and when Jacob so much as asks for his opponent's (God's) name he gets nothing of any philosophical value. Taken in this context the Genesis story is a kind of spoof of The Mahabharata.
 
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