Jonathan Ainsley Bain
Logical Positivist
Ah, an empirical example. Great!
Tell us some more.
Can you talk to them and do they respond?
Have the voices ever told you something that you did not know before than you could verify?
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What are: 'the voices in your head'?
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Ah, an empirical example. Great!
Tell us some more.
Can you talk to them and do they respond?
Have the voices ever told you something that you did not know before than you could verify?
Jonathan Ainsley Bain
Logical Positivist
Sure. Any attempt to understand it is welcome.
Jonathan Ainsley Bain
Logical Positivist
Not sure what you mean here.
Are you saying that it is unrealistic for us to perceive the thoughts of others?
or
Are you saying it is unrealistic to dismiss this idea (perceiving the thoughts of others)
just because we do not have a tangible explanation of how this could work?
Series of vibrational waves in the body causes electrical circular event in the brain and strong enough to cause the body to jerk, move or make vocal sounds.
Tip, skull is bowl like. Brain is gel like. Gel in bowl vibrating up and down via meditation or certain mind control will create electrical patterns. Feelings start at top of head and move down to toes. Some claim it's the formless matter please holy spirit but it's really simple to the scientific groups. Formless don't touch matter, anyway
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I mean thinking all voices we hear (our thoughts, I mean) exist inside our head. Many people do hear voices outside their head and doctors diagnose them for it. However, the voices they hear "outside their head" are not real.
It would be unrealistic to assume that voices are outside of ourselves (excluding people) as everything we perceive goes through our brain and is processed by the brain. Even things we see outside ourselves has to be interpreted by the brain to make sense of whatever we are sensing.
So, what are voices in our head?
Nerve impulses translated in "1100s" in the brain, that, to use signify emotions, thoughts, and experiences we perceive outside of ourselves but the perception and core of what makes a chair a "chair" is only that which we interpret from inside our heads not outside.
In other words, a chair isn't a chair. It's "nothing." However, we assigned a word to it based on the shape and what it is used for. So when we see that shape, our neurons fire signals that say "that's a chair."
These are the voices in your head.
It would be unrealistic to think of voices outside ourselves because everything we identity and interpret is through our brains just like the chair example.
Does that kind make sense?
Jonathan Ainsley Bain
Logical Positivist
Well the problem is that when we hear ordinary voices with our ears,
this also goes through the brain - but just because it goes through the brain
does not make it originate from the brain.
Your answer seems to suggest that 'the scientists' completely understand
how the brain works. If that were true than the murderer who claims
'the voices made him kill' would be able to be screened with a brain scan
when he went through customs at the airport.
What are: 'the voices in your head'?
There may not just be one answer to this question for all cases. Some possibilities
1) Thoughts created internally by a dysfunctional mind
2) Psychic input from outside the mind interfering with the mind. Schizophrenics may be more porous to these things. Positive things can also enter and hence there may be a fine line between genius and crazy as they say.
There may not just be one answer to this question for all cases. Some possibilities
1) Thoughts created internally by a dysfunctional mind
2) Psychic input from outside the mind interfering with the mind. Schizophrenics may be more porous to these things. Positive things can also enter and hence there may be a fine line between genius and crazy as they say.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes all that, there is usually two voices arguing with each other, one protecting me and the other accusing me.
Increasingly I am speaking out loud to “associates” even when awake, this had been increasing a lot in the last 2 years, currently I am 60 and ½. My wife tells me, and actually I am aware of it because I wake myself up, that I speak and have conversations – sometimes disconnected but talking to “others” – while asleep. I know in fact I am hearing voices in my sleep clearly and I speak back to them. Also, while I have always had very vivid, colorful, “huge” dreams – they are now VERY vivid, startling so. I also have “visitations” in my dream state, typically it is Shani Dev (the planet Saturn) or some demigod dream, actually not major Devi or Devatas. When Shani comes, He is a color I describe as “electric black” with a “halo” of dark purple. Animal headed demigods also appear vividly.
I also have vivid dreams of MYSELF – where I see myself, I know I am looking at myself and actually have a conversation with myself looking out my eyes at the other person who is myself, except I look different, for example I have a wolf’s head, typically a black timber wolf.
I also appear as myself as a talking badger.
Very weird actually, but I have conversations in my head with the “alter-selves”.
I have no idea what is going on, but I actually like it. However, I have always had multiple personalities, some “talk to each” other, the problem is some might even get in a bit of an argument though mostly they get along just fine. I have never considered this “abnormal” or a “problem”, in fact in regards to the dream states and vivid dreams, I now actually look forward to these vivid dreams which occur every night now. Or in the afternoon as well, as I am starting to take naps now that I am older.
I also have vivid dreams of MYSELF – where I see myself, I know I am looking at myself and actually have a conversation with myself looking out my eyes at the other person who is myself, except I look different, for example I have a wolf’s head, typically a black timber wolf.
I also appear as myself as a talking badger.
Very weird actually, but I have conversations in my head with the “alter-selves”.
I have no idea what is going on, but I actually like it. However, I have always had multiple personalities, some “talk to each” other, the problem is some might even get in a bit of an argument though mostly they get along just fine. I have never considered this “abnormal” or a “problem”, in fact in regards to the dream states and vivid dreams, I now actually look forward to these vivid dreams which occur every night now. Or in the afternoon as well, as I am starting to take naps now that I am older.
In a recent study and web article 2016 by the Mental Health Foundation charity of England and Scotland, a surprising number of up to 28% of the general population hear voices that others do not. And that among these only a small number were associated with mental health issues such as schizophrenia.
This opens the conversation to the very real potential of the paranormal and spiritual. In my opinion, there is no way that such large numbers of people who have no mental illness as definded by the medical community can hear voices that are not heard by others nearby but are also heard by some others confirming the phenomenon or shared in overall context of the message or conversation, or in some cases prediction.
Sometimes it is said that audio talking occurs in the head which is not far removed from an internal radio receiver - that seems very odd or upsetting even to those who do not have such phenomenon. Yet these same people who do not, are sometimes among the 40% plus who hear music or songs in their head on a regular basis, this might be called audio hallucination but falls into the category of something more than just trying to recall some music or song while trying to think about it in one's head, in fact entirely new songs unknown including verses are heard in some cases. In fact, many great musical artists have said that one or more of their "most famous hits" came out of nowhere and were heard clearly in their mind without orchestrating the song themself, almost like "a gift".
The commonality of things is often much more broad than admitted to in general.
This opens the conversation to the very real potential of the paranormal and spiritual. In my opinion, there is no way that such large numbers of people who have no mental illness as definded by the medical community can hear voices that are not heard by others nearby but are also heard by some others confirming the phenomenon or shared in overall context of the message or conversation, or in some cases prediction.
Sometimes it is said that audio talking occurs in the head which is not far removed from an internal radio receiver - that seems very odd or upsetting even to those who do not have such phenomenon. Yet these same people who do not, are sometimes among the 40% plus who hear music or songs in their head on a regular basis, this might be called audio hallucination but falls into the category of something more than just trying to recall some music or song while trying to think about it in one's head, in fact entirely new songs unknown including verses are heard in some cases. In fact, many great musical artists have said that one or more of their "most famous hits" came out of nowhere and were heard clearly in their mind without orchestrating the song themself, almost like "a gift".
The commonality of things is often much more broad than admitted to in general.
Another interesting thought.
What about people who speak to their pets?
One could argue this is a mental issue, since the animal doesn't know English or whatever language.
Yet this is not really true - in fact it has been shown that dogs in fact do learn to understand up to 40 or more words of a human language clearly even if they cannot speak the same words back. But they also do speak words back in another way, in fact the large majority of such pet owners say they know exactly what the dog is saying back just by gazing into the dogs eyes and not only by the body motions such as the tail wagging. The dog can only be looking back without any other motion at all and the dog is speaking back to the pet owner as each gazes in each others eyes. This isn't just a phenomenon with dogs, but with other pets.
While this is happening, the pet owner continues a conversation with the pet and the pet talks back with eyes gazing method and an entire Bible is discussed. Many have observed also tears coming from the pet. For example, two family members are talking about something upsetting, then another family members says, "Look! Poochie is crying! Tears in her eyes!". "No way," says another, but checking, indeed there are wet tears.
This is very common. And love has a way to communicate even without any direct language, gratitude for help or assistance and so on.
Our animal friends definitely have souls. Plants do as well. Many can talk and have full conversations with our plant and fruits and trees.
For example, I grow wine grapes. And I have mild conversations with the vines. I do this by voice or audio, but the most powerful means I have found is by bells, using a tiny bell.
In the spring, I take a small bell and entering the vines I ring the little bell while talking to the vines. This is not necessarily about "fertilizing the vines with sound" but more about just having a "connection". The vines speak back by saying nothing but "feeling". A warm sense.
Grape vines live for a very long time if conditions are good. There were certain famous vines that lived on the Roman Colosseum for over 800 years or more until some government people took the vine down out of fear the vine would damage the structure. At some point, some Roman in the past was eating grapes and spit the seed out while watching the events. The seed grew into a vine. People were having full conversations with a few of the famous vines for hundreds of years and picking the black grapes to make wine. These grapes were the secret ingredients mixed with other field grapes that produced the most outrageously best wines in human history, and entire family names passed on the secret of the Colosseum grapes from one generation to the next, each were expected to talk to these vines as part of the relationship. Young daughters were sometimes secretly married ceremoniously to this or tbat family vine.
So we can see that you can talk to wine grape vines and they talk back. They also cry tears.
There have been many reports of grape vines overhearing the conversations of people that are sad or traumatic, and then the loving vine starts to drip from the end or side of the vine. Upon checking, it is found the drip isn't goo but tears.
Murtis also cry.
Some of these conversations fall into the paranormal which is real.
What about people who speak to their pets?
One could argue this is a mental issue, since the animal doesn't know English or whatever language.
Yet this is not really true - in fact it has been shown that dogs in fact do learn to understand up to 40 or more words of a human language clearly even if they cannot speak the same words back. But they also do speak words back in another way, in fact the large majority of such pet owners say they know exactly what the dog is saying back just by gazing into the dogs eyes and not only by the body motions such as the tail wagging. The dog can only be looking back without any other motion at all and the dog is speaking back to the pet owner as each gazes in each others eyes. This isn't just a phenomenon with dogs, but with other pets.
While this is happening, the pet owner continues a conversation with the pet and the pet talks back with eyes gazing method and an entire Bible is discussed. Many have observed also tears coming from the pet. For example, two family members are talking about something upsetting, then another family members says, "Look! Poochie is crying! Tears in her eyes!". "No way," says another, but checking, indeed there are wet tears.
This is very common. And love has a way to communicate even without any direct language, gratitude for help or assistance and so on.
Our animal friends definitely have souls. Plants do as well. Many can talk and have full conversations with our plant and fruits and trees.
For example, I grow wine grapes. And I have mild conversations with the vines. I do this by voice or audio, but the most powerful means I have found is by bells, using a tiny bell.
In the spring, I take a small bell and entering the vines I ring the little bell while talking to the vines. This is not necessarily about "fertilizing the vines with sound" but more about just having a "connection". The vines speak back by saying nothing but "feeling". A warm sense.
Grape vines live for a very long time if conditions are good. There were certain famous vines that lived on the Roman Colosseum for over 800 years or more until some government people took the vine down out of fear the vine would damage the structure. At some point, some Roman in the past was eating grapes and spit the seed out while watching the events. The seed grew into a vine. People were having full conversations with a few of the famous vines for hundreds of years and picking the black grapes to make wine. These grapes were the secret ingredients mixed with other field grapes that produced the most outrageously best wines in human history, and entire family names passed on the secret of the Colosseum grapes from one generation to the next, each were expected to talk to these vines as part of the relationship. Young daughters were sometimes secretly married ceremoniously to this or tbat family vine.
So we can see that you can talk to wine grape vines and they talk back. They also cry tears.
There have been many reports of grape vines overhearing the conversations of people that are sad or traumatic, and then the loving vine starts to drip from the end or side of the vine. Upon checking, it is found the drip isn't goo but tears.
Murtis also cry.
Some of these conversations fall into the paranormal which is real.
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Janet Waters
Member
There are thoughts processed in both the right and left hemisphere of the brain. The thoughts processed in the rightside are more influenced by intuition, creativity, spirituality, and emotion. The thoughts processed in the Leftside are influenced by logic and analytical thought---the tangible--what you see is what you get. Combining the information from both hemispheres gives a person a more correct panaramic view, better than just processing one side only.
There are also positive and negative forces around us, that can influence how we think and feel. The positive forces influence us to love, forgive, and serve others---leading us to more light, life, peace, and truth. The negative forces influence us to develop the baser desires and actions (the "natural man" tendenices) which ultimately leads to darkness, unhappiness, pain, unforgiveness, and death.
We also have been given a conscience (called "the Light of Christ") which all children are endowed with at birth. As we develop and grow, this Light increases and helps us to discern the difference between good and evil. This gift came as a result of Adam and Eve partaking of the Tree of Knowledge between Good and Evil. The conscience kicks in fully when the child reaches the age of accountablity (maturity of an 8 year old). It helps us on our journey though life as long as a person nourishes and protects it from the evil.
Janet Waters
Member
Both the right and left hemisphere of the brain--give opposing information. The rightside tells the deep thoughts and intents of the heart and the leftside argues back with the practical, what the "logical" perspective sees and knows to be true in the "real world."
But there again, the rightside is greater influenced by one's intution, feelings, faith, and spirituality (and good spirits). The left side is greater influenced by questioning, doubt, logic, education, and sometimes the negative (as well as bad spirits).
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Jonathan Ainsley Bain
Logical Positivist
So then the voice, would use the first-person pronoun 'I'?
What if the voice used the word 'YOU'?
for example it may say:
'You will see a vision'
but if it were subconscious, it would say
'I will see a vision'.
??
Ekleipsis
Member
They are your internal dialogue
I started hearing a different voice ( from my own ) the night I had some sort of strange experience that resulted in an instant healing from terminal brain cancer
At first I thought I had truly gone over the edge, but as I listened and did what it said, I became more and more interested in what it taught me over several years
It was, the reason I started reading / studying the scriptures
It told me to open the Bible to find the answers I was looking for, after my healing
So that is what I did
I started hearing a different voice ( from my own ) the night I had some sort of strange experience that resulted in an instant healing from terminal brain cancer
At first I thought I had truly gone over the edge, but as I listened and did what it said, I became more and more interested in what it taught me over several years
It was, the reason I started reading / studying the scriptures
It told me to open the Bible to find the answers I was looking for, after my healing
So that is what I did
HOLY SMOKES!
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VioletVortex
Well-Known Member
Mostly internal psychological constructs, but ESPs can sometimes play a role in creating voices.
illykitty
RF's pet cat
Consciousness, produced by the brain probably as an evolutionary trait that helped us survive. Probably also a result of language. I can imagine thinking in images, sounds and such, but the voices well, you probably need language for that.
I have a constant narrative in my mind which comments on pretty much everything that happens. Sometimes I have internal debates on subjects, it helps with deciding whether an idea has value and/or if it's sound. Other times my conscience tells me if something is right or wrong. And sometimes it's just my playful imagination creating characters and such. I have a very vivid mind, so I can pretty much imagine anything and it will feel almost real, sounds, taste, images, etc.
I find it rather interesting, except when it turns dark when I have some lows due to depression. Then the narrative resembles a horrible pessimistic bully that attempts to completely destroy me.
I have a constant narrative in my mind which comments on pretty much everything that happens. Sometimes I have internal debates on subjects, it helps with deciding whether an idea has value and/or if it's sound. Other times my conscience tells me if something is right or wrong. And sometimes it's just my playful imagination creating characters and such. I have a very vivid mind, so I can pretty much imagine anything and it will feel almost real, sounds, taste, images, etc.
I find it rather interesting, except when it turns dark when I have some lows due to depression. Then the narrative resembles a horrible pessimistic bully that attempts to completely destroy me.