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Kirran said:

I honestly can't see how it is to many people are calmly ignoring or brushing aside the fact that in the name of this ideology a man has been elected who was telling the public to dig up Muslim women from their graves and rape their bodies.

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IMHO, it is a terrible misquote. This man (Yogi Adityanath) has been selected to the Indian parliament for five times consecutively. Before him, his Guru, Yogi Avaidyanath was active in politics. There must be something which makes people vote for them time and time again. They must be taking care of their constituencies and constituents very well.

See some videos here on reaction of Muslims on his becoming the Chief Minister:
We hope security and support is maintained, say muslim women of Gorakhpur

"Avaidyanathan was elected MLA from Maniram Assembly segment five times – 1962, 1967, 1968 1974 and 1977. He was elected Lok Sabha member from Gorakhpur as an Independent candidate in 1970 and won again in 1989 as candidate of Hindu Mahasabha. He was elected MP from the same seat in 1991 and 1996 as Bharatiya Janata Party nominee." Mahant Avaidyanath - Wikipedia

Aupmanyav said:

IMHO, it is a terrible misquote. This man (Yogi Adityanath) has been selected to the Indian parliament for five times consecutively. Before him, his Guru, Yogi Avaidyanath was active in politics. There must be something which makes people vote for them time and time again. They must be taking care of their constituencies and constituents very well.

See some videos here on reaction of Muslims on his becoming the Chief Minister:

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"Avaidyanathan was elected MLA from Maniram Assembly segment five times – 1962, 1967, 1968 1974 and 1977. He was elected Lok Sabha member from Gorakhpur as an Independent candidate in 1970 and won again in 1989 as candidate of Hindu Mahasabha. He was elected MP from the same seat in 1991 and 1996 as Bharatiya Janata Party nominee." Mahant Avaidyanath - Wikipedia

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Maybe a misquote. Either way, it seems to be worryingly under-scrutinised.

Sure, a homophobe can have gay friends and an anti-Muslim politician can have Muslim supporters. I don't know if he is anti-Muslim or not, to be clear, but just because some Muslims support him doesn't mean he is not.

sayak83 said:

Actually he did not. He had made other controversial statements but that one was made by an unidentified man in an event where he was an attendee (check wikipedia and other sources.) These are the actual comments that he had made in the past
From love jihad, conversion to SRK: 10 controversial comments by UP’s new CM Yogi Adityanath

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Thanks for this. I didn't find anything here offensive, other than 'tough talk'. When you're dealing with this particular enemy, tough talk is absolutely necessary.

Kirran said:

Ah, you are sure? It appears my sources have been in error, if so. Still, not a great political climate being fostered, it strikes me. Ah well.

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No, its not a good climate. Significant parts if India are rife with overt and covert political and all parties are complicit in it. As usual, data is our friend
Which Political Parties Are Associated With The Most Violence? Here's What I Found








The data has not been updated since 2004. So I cannot make an objective conclusion as to how recent years should be assessed (though Ram Mandir incident and Godhra are included). But given what I see, the BJP and Hindutva groups can at best be said to indulge in violence at rates commensurate with all political parties in India. Now that BJP is in power, the onus is upon them to stop this culture of violence in politics. That is one of the basis by which I will assess their performance. Sounds good?


On the optimistic side,
On Day 1, Yogi Adityanath Sets Tough Targets For Officials, Cops

Sources say in his meeting with the Uttar Pradesh police chief, Chief Minister Adityanath expressed concern over the killing of a BSP leader in Allahabad last night and ordered a blueprint for better policing in Uttar Pradesh within 15 days.
Yesterday, the Chief Minister held an informal meeting with his cabinet immediately after being sworn in. He has asked all his ministers to submit details of their assets and wealth within 15 days.

sayak83 said:

No, its not a good climate. Significant parts if India are rife with overt and covert political and all parties are complicit in it. As usual, data is our friend
Which Political Parties Are Associated With The Most Violence? Here's What I Found

The data has not been updated since 2004. So I cannot make an objective conclusion as to how recent years should be assessed (though Ram Mandir incident and Godhra are included). But given what I see, the BJP and Hindutva groups can at best be said to indulge in violence at rates commensurate with all political parties in India. Now that BJP is in power, the onus is upon them to stop this culture of violence in politics. That is one of the basis by which I will assess their performance. Sounds good?


On the optimistic side,
On Day 1, Yogi Adityanath Sets Tough Targets For Officials, Cops

Sources say in his meeting with the Uttar Pradesh police chief, Chief Minister Adityanath expressed concern over the killing of a BSP leader in Allahabad last night and ordered a blueprint for better policing in Uttar Pradesh within 15 days.
Yesterday, the Chief Minister held an informal meeting with his cabinet immediately after being sworn in. He has asked all his ministers to submit details of their assets and wealth within 15 days.

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Great, good to have some numbers. I've seen reports that there's no difference in corruption levels between Congress and BJP, but this is very much just part of the political culture in India. I suspect you're right that fixing that is needed, because then there can actually be enough clarity to look into policies, which there currently just isn't really. Everybody makes all sorts of commitments, nothing much happens. I remain hopeful regarding Aam Aadmi, as much as a group which can inspire other parties by their example (if the thorn in your side is doing well because it's less corrupt, there's an obvious solution...) as a party in power themselves.

Kirran said:

I don't know if he is anti-Muslim or not, to be clear, but just because some Muslims support him doesn't mean he is not.

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Even if a person is anti-Muslim, Indian polity and judiciary will not allow him to act in a partial manner, certainly not if he is a Prime Minister or a Chief Minister. And actually, there is no reason for any Hindu to be anti-Muslim. The problem is created by Clerics and a few misguided Muslims. Others think only of their daily bread and live peacefully with their neighbors.

Kirran said:

Great, good to have some numbers. I've seen reports that there's no difference in corruption levels between Congress and BJP, but this is very much just part of the political culture in India. I remain hopeful regarding Aam Aadmi, as much as a group which can inspire other parties by their example (if the thorn in your side is doing well because it's less corrupt, there's an obvious solution...) as a party in power themselves.

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I do not think you are very correct here. BJP with Modi is very honest. In three years, there has not been even one incident when fingers have been pointed at any Central Minister. This was the norm in the Congress Sonia Gandhi/Manmohan Singh regime. No contract was given without a percentage for Ministers or the Gandhi family. Aam Admi Party is but a fringe party, it was sorely defeated in Punjab by Congress and scored a zero in Goa. I do not think they will last in the next parliamentary or state election. Now it is BJP and Modi all the way.

Aupmanyav said:

I do not think you are very correct here. BJP with Modi is very honest. In three years, there has not been even one incident when fingers have been pointed at any Central Minister. This was the norm in the Congress Sonia Gandhi/Manmohan Singh regime. No contract was given without a percentage for Ministers or the Gandhi family. Aam Admi Party is but a fringe party, it was sorely defeated in Punjab by Congress and scored a zero in Goa. I do not think they will last in the next parliamentary or state election. Now it is BJP and Modi all the way.

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it certainly has that public image. But it doesn't seem to be backed up.

Greatest myth that BJP governments are scam free: Congress

Congress is more nepotistic, and maybe therefore a bit worse on corruption, but BJP is far from laudable.

Yeah, we'll see how it goes with AAP. They still have strong support networks, and when the novelty of the new BJP craze dies down maybe they'll benefit.

Kirran, do not doubt the power of Indian judiciary. A high court judgement in 1977 nullified the election of Indira Gandhi and she was forced to declare emergency (in connivance with a stooge President, Gyani Zail Singh).

Kirran said:

Greatest myth that BJP governments are scam free: Congress

Yeah, we'll see how it goes with AAP. They still have strong support networks, and when the novelty of the new BJP craze dies down maybe they'll benefit.

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Yes, we know there are problems in some states. Modi is waiting for the right time to act (without disturbing the political equations).

The novelty of AAP also is going to take a beating. Their leaders have also been involved in forgery, corruption and sexual misconduct. People are tired of the attritive politics of Kejriwal, always in conflict with the Delhi Lt. Governor, with whom all the constitutional powers rest. Delhi is a Union Territory and not even a full state.

The police are closing down unlicensed abattoirs and meat shops of which there are thousands in Uttar Pradesh, I wonder what is the rate for mutton in Uttar Pradesh these days. Yogi needs to think about the unemployment caused by this action. Police have also formed anti-Romeo squads. Yogi, the Chief Minister, says he will get land-grabbers booked. Supreme court wants the two warring parties in Babri Mosque case to come to a settlement by 31st of March. Chief Justice J.S. Khehar (a Sikh) has offered to mediate if required. Swift action in Uttar Pradesh. Use of of Masala and Gutkha (tobacco pouch) has been banned in government offices. This is the third day of Yogi' administration. The first day he was in Delhi. He has yet not allocated portfolios to his ministers, which probably will happen today. To fix right people in right slots. That is the reason Modi selected Yogi. Fast, decisive, fair.

Aupmanyav said:

The police are closing down unlicensed abattoirs and meat shops of which there are thousands in Uttar Pradesh, I wonder what is the rate for mutton in Uttar Pradesh these days. Yogi needs to think about the unemployment caused by this action. Police have also formed anti-Romeo squads. Yogi, the Chief Minister, says he will get land-grabbers booked. Supreme court wants the two warring parties in Babri Mosque case to come to a settlement by 31st of March. Chief Justice J.S. Khehar (a Sikh) has offered to mediate if required. Swift action in Uttar Pradesh. Use of of Masala and Gutkha (tobacco pouch) has been banned in government offices. This is the third day of Yogi' administration. The first day he was in Delhi. He has yet not allocated portfolios to his ministers, which probably will happen today. To fix right people in right slots. That is the reason Modi selected Yogi. Fast, decisive, fair.

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While it will temporarily put people out of jobs, the closing of unlicensed abattoirs is wonderful. Unlicensed businesses such as these are run with no oversight so that animals are tortured and inhumanely killed. I have no moral objection to meat eating but if you're going to do it you must make sure the animals are treated as kindly as possible if only because I have been told that fear ruins the meat.

I like the idea of these anti-Romeo squads but perhaps something like sting operations need to be undertaken to put the fear into these people that love jihad is wrong.

* The danger with unlicensed abattoirs is that even diseased animals can be butchered.
* Anti-Romeo is about eve-teasing and harassment of women which leads to bigger crimes, not really about love-jihad. It was so bad that many girls had to discontinue their studies.
Anti-Romeo Squads Take Shape

Aupmanyav said:

* The danger with unlicensed abattoirs is that even diseased animals can be butchered.
* Anti-Romeo is about eve-teasing and harassment of women which leads to bigger crimes, not really about love-jihad. It was so bad that many girls had to discontinue their studies.
Anti-Romeo Squads Take Shape

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Ah yes. I don't know why I thought it was about love jihad! Eve-teasing is a terrible thing.

[QUOTE="sayak83, post: 5113727, member: 37415" I believe that Mr. Modi is the most capable political leader India has elected in a long time, and now that Obama is gone, probably the best democratically elected leader in the world. He occupies a somewhat crucial position in this regard as - with the election of Trump, Brexit, impeachment of South [/QUOTE]
Why do you think that he is best democratically elected leader in the world? I'm just curious since his economic policies seem to be (I can't verify, only what I know from hearsay) conservative, almost like Reagan's?

Chakra said:

sayak83 said:

I believe that Mr. Modi is the most capable political leader India has elected in a long time, and now that Obama is gone, probably the best democratically elected leader in the world. He occupies a somewhat crucial position in this regard as - with the election of Trump, Brexit, impeachment of South

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Why do you think that he is best democratically elected leader in the world? I'm just curious since his economic policies seem to be (I can't verify, only what I know from hearsay) conservative, almost like Reagan's?

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No, that is incorrect. The government is both liberalizing the economy and developing pro-poor schemes.
UP elections: PM Modi's 5 economic policies that will give the BJP an edge in 2019[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Chakra said:

Why do you think that he is best democratically elected leader in the world? I'm just curious since his economic policies seem to be conservative, almost like Reagan's?

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I won't say that. There are many other democratic countries in the world which are doing nicely. Though US, Philippines, France, etc. seem to have suffered a setback. But Modi is the best person by far at the moment to lead India. The policies of his government, demonetization (which has probably added some 3 lac crore rupees to the exchequer, GST, electronic payments and limiting cash holdings to 2 lac rupees are very solid and will help in eradicating tax evasion and add more money for the welfare of the people.

Again, Yogi Adityanath has started very promisingly in Uttar Pradesh (the largest state). I am hopeful that he will be able to eradicate corruption, lawlessness and nepotism in UP, putting out a new standard of government not just or opponents but also for some BJP states.

Nitish in Bihar (wish he was with BJP and not with RJD) and Amrinder in Punjab (thank God, the Badals are gone, what if BJP lost) also are good signs. In all, I think good days are about to come to India.

Around 860,000 small and marginalised farmers will benefit from the Rs 1 lakh loan waiver (USD 1,500), says the report.
Major decisions in Yogi Adityanath's first cabinet meeting:
1. Loan waiver.
2. Official sanction to anti-Romeo squads (Eve-teasing).
3. 100% buying of wheat.
4. Ban on illegal slaughterhouses.
Live: Yogi Adityanath’s first Cabinet meeting — Big relief for small farmers, loans up to Rs 1 lakh waived off

Modi on Rama Navami, Yogi worshiping 'kanjakas' (nine girls representing nine forms of Mother Durga)

Annapoorna scheme under Yogi Adityanath:
Break-fast for 21 Cents (US), meal for 34 Cents (US)
Under the scheme, porridge, idli-sambhar, poha and tea-pakora will be given in breakfast; for meals, roti, seasonal vegetables, tur dal and rice will be given.
योगी आदित्यनाथ सरकार की नई पहल : सिर्फ 3 रुपये में नाश्ता, 5 रुपये में भोजन...!

Nothing wrong with Hindu nation concept:
"There is nothing wrong in the Hindu Rashtra concept. The Supreme Court has defined Hindutva is a way of life."
Yogi Adityanath says nothing wrong with Hindu Rashtra concept, BJP defends him

English right from Nursery:
"Children do not have to wait till the sixth grade to learn the language, so we decided to start teaching English in government schools from the nursery class. They should be taught Sanskrit from Class III and they should have the option of learning the foreign language of their choice from Class X."
यूपी के सीएम योगी का अंग्रेजी पर जोर, ये होगा अगला कदम– News18 हिंदी

Asked whether it will weaken Indian culture, Yogi said we will provide a mix of two, traditional culture as well as teaching of modern science.

Muslim women meet UP minister, want triple talaq scrapped:
"Nearly two months before the Supreme Court hears petitions challenging muslim practices of triple talaq, nikah halala and polygamy, victims of triple talaq have approached Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath to seek government’s intervention in matters of triple talaq, compensation and maintenance for affected women."
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Yogi Adityanath on his being a religious leader:
"Rulers should be 'Yogis' (renunciates) and not 'Bhogies' (attached to worldly pleasures). Till now, Uttar Pradesh was ruled by 'bhogies' that is why they could not benefit the people. Shri Narendra Modi in Delhi also is a 'Yogi' and not a 'bhogi'.

NDA dinner: Widening alliance, winning big in 2019

Riding high on what one could well call Modi wave 2.0, leaders of the NDA allies met at Pravasi Bharatiya Kendra in the national capital with a clear target in mind – winning big in 2019. The alliance – consisting 32 political parties – reportedly reviewed the Union government’s policies over the last three years as well as the recently concluded Assembly elections, where the BJP came to power in four of the five states. .. The NDA allies passed a resolution to work together to win a second term under the strong leadership of Prime Minister Modi in 2019.
NDA dinner: Widening alliance, winning big in 2019 – here’s what happened
Prime Minister Narendra Modi praised at NDA meet: Five things you need to know
Narendra Modi hailed in NDA meeting as allies pledge to work under him for 2019 Lok Sabha polls