Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

RESOLUTION · Mar 22, 2017

SethZaddik said:
Again not to this quote.

According to Hebrew4Christians:

Eloah is commonly thought to be the same as the Arabic Allah and the Aramaic Elah(Alah).

There is absolutely no w in either spelling or pronunciation. EE LO AH EE LAH ALLAH.

I know I have already proven my point and I don't usually cite sources because I check so many before accepting something as fact most of the time, this I was sure of from the get go, but I like my debates thoroughly settled.ETC
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. Hebrew for Christians -who requires Hebrew for Christians when God can teach as he has done all men since he has been known to us from Adam? You have typically diverted from the origin
Elohim
ɛˈləʊhɪm,ˈɛləʊhiːm is the most common name for God used in the Hebrew bible. You used the Eloah which means you did a google. YHWH is the name of God which Moses revealed to the Israelites.

If you check the text books following with biblical teachings by scholars of Christianity and Islam then you will find the following is factual.
The word Elohim was used as a reference to 'gods' plural and also 'deity' in the OT.
However the name Allah and YHWH are actual names of two different gods. YHWH is the name of the Hebrew God and Allah the name of the Muslim god. They are not the same and never have been the same. One is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who made the covenant with Abraham and then a new covenant with the descendants of his promise the Israelites of the 12 tribes of Judah. The final Covenant with Jesus of the same line.
The second is the god of Mahoment and Mahomet had no covenant with YHWH. Hence the name of his God is not YHWH.
Hope the differences and why they are different is clear to you now.

rosends · Mar 22, 2017

SethZaddik said:
I will address the only relevant thing you mentioned.

El absolutely is an alternate term, name even, of God and means God, the Hebrew El as in El Elyon and El Shaddai is, mostly in Psalms, used to refer to the El of Israel, El Elyon, God Most High or just God.

Which renders your argument useless and pointless, as usual.

Not quite sure to what you are referring. As I mentioned none of this I can't see why you are responding to me.

SethZaddik · Mar 23, 2017

I think about people who question established and commonly agreed upon facts, which is always difficult to establish in religion because it is based on faith and this particular instance of asking a question that a ten minute session on Google can establish from literally every reputable source that it is an agreed upon fact only denied by fanatics, and I have honestly never met a person who doesn't know that Abrahamic religions have the same God, the very reason the term exists is to describe the three as one.

If the Trinity can be three different entities and one God, what reason is their to doubt three separate religions worship the same God, albeit differently?

In the way Christianity believes three Gods are one and it uses Trinity to unite them, same goes it for Islam, Christianity and Judaism using Abrahamic to unite the three, not as one monolithic group but myriad groups within groups and offshoots, splinter sects, etc, all accross the board.

People seek to divide so they search for differences and ignore the similarities that literally prove that of things speculated upon by the educated and decent, this is not one that is disputable once one knows the facts.

Yet people do sometimes know the facts and yet deny them, this is what a liar does or someone with no honor. They distort known facts using sophistry and outright lies for what I imagine is usually a form of hatred and bigotry of the same breed as racism, anti Semitism or just plain ignorant hate.

Sometimes people are just uneducated and legitimately don't know, but they could easily find out, there is no excuse to have not learned this by adulthood.

It disgusts me, besides the hate it is best described as an analogy.

I live in a 3 story building, outside is one tree we all know who planted, let's call him "Abe", and he dedicated it to his friend name L. Eon.

Everyone in the building loves both but have different opinions regarding certain things that only matter if you are looking to cause problems, otherwise everyone respects what the other believes about certain related events to the tree and the 2 men mentionied, it was a very long time ago and different stories are told, but everyone agrees.

Abe planted the tree and dedicated it his 'friend' L. Eon.

Is Abe not always Abe, and L., not always L.? Of course! There is one tree!

Nevertheless nuisance Nancy on the second floor insists it was a different L. Eon that the people on floor one are talking about even though it is definitely still the same Abe.

Everyone starts to call her "Nutty Nancy" because of her ridiculous thinking.

And why not? Nancy is either stupid or nuts, and nuts is a little less obnoxious.

But it still might be true.

SethZaddik · Mar 23, 2017

RESOLUTION said:
. Hebrew for Christians -who requires Hebrew for Christians when God can teach as he has done all men since he has been known to us from Adam? You have typically diverted from the origin
Elohim
ɛˈləʊhɪm,ˈɛləʊhiːm is the most common name for God used in the Hebrew bible. You used the Eloah which means you did a google. YHWH is the name of God which Moses revealed to the Israelites.

If you check the text books following with biblical teachings by scholars of Christianity and Islam then you will find the following is factual.
The word Elohim was used as a reference to 'gods' plural and also 'deity' in the OT.
However the name Allah and YHWH are actual names of two different gods. YHWH is the name of the Hebrew God and Allah the name of the Muslim god. They are not the same and never have been the same. One is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who made the covenant with Abraham and then a new covenant with the descendants of his promise the Israelites of the 12 tribes of Judah. The final Covenant with Jesus of the same line.
The second is the god of Mahoment and Mahomet had no covenant with YHWH. Hence the name of his God is not YHWH.
Hope the differences and why they are different is clear to you now.

I don't know who requires it, I don't, I simply used it to further prove a point I had already proven.

It's called being thorough in debate, I was not the one who was mistaken so I figured I should cite any source, they all say the same thing if they are reputable, naturally that person will look into it and figure it out on their own.

The real question is why would you ask that question, to make yourself feel like you are superior in intellect?

That shows by itself otherwise.

SethZaddik · Mar 23, 2017

RESOLUTION said:
. Hebrew for Christians -who requires Hebrew for Christians when God can teach as he has done all men since he has been known to us from Adam? You have typically diverted from the origin
Elohim
ɛˈləʊhɪm,ˈɛləʊhiːm is the most common name for God used in the Hebrew bible. You used the Eloah which means you did a google. YHWH is the name of God which Moses revealed to the Israelites.

If you check the text books following with biblical teachings by scholars of Christianity and Islam then you will find the following is factual.
The word Elohim was used as a reference to 'gods' plural and also 'deity' in the OT.
However the name Allah and YHWH are actual names of two different gods. YHWH is the name of the Hebrew God and Allah the name of the Muslim god. They are not the same and never have been the same. One is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who made the covenant with Abraham and then a new covenant with the descendants of his promise the Israelites of the 12 tribes of Judah. The final Covenant with Jesus of the same line.
The second is the god of Mahoment and Mahomet had no covenant with YHWH. Hence the name of his God is not YHWH.
Hope the differences and why they are different is clear to you now.

Further established by the fact that you are lying, scholars both know that Allah is etymology related to the God of Abraham, El or El Shaddai, El Elyon, etc, AL(the)-Ilah(God)=Allah.

Ilah/El/Illu are all Semitic variants of the same ancient deity older than YHVH by centuries at least, attested to in Cannanite mythology, the Ugaritic texts. Canaanites spoke a Semitic language, Hamitic (Biblical at least) or otherwise and El is Allah in Arabic.

Any Arabic Bible says Allah, so obviously you have absolutely no idea what you are even talking about and have no business even attempting to debate the issue and say scholars don't regard Yahweh-Elohim and Allah as the same God.

They do and if not are disreputable, nobody will hire them as scholars of any religion and they are lying.

You probably fall into the "just didn't know" category.

Now you do, so you have no excuse anymore.

RESOLUTION · Mar 23, 2017

SethZaddik said:
I don't know who requires it, I don't, I simply used it to further prove a point I had already proven.

It's called being thorough in debate, I was not the one who was mistaken so I figured I should cite any source, they all say the same thing if they are reputable, naturally that person will look into it and figure it out on their own.

The real question is why would you ask that question, to make yourself feel like you are superior in intellect?

That shows by itself otherwise.

I think the problem is yours. You have done none of the above.

metis · Mar 23, 2017

When you're digging a hole in the wrong area, maybe it's best to stop digging and take your shovel somewhere else.

RESOLUTION · Mar 23, 2017

SethZaddik said:
Further established by the fact that you are lying, scholars both know that Allah is etymology related to the God of Abraham, El or El Shaddai, El Elyon, etc, AL(the)-Ilah(God)=Allah.

Wrong Allah is the name of a god not the name of the Hebrew God.
It is not related to the God of Abraham, as it does not reflect any covenant with the God of Abraham and the people who follow Allah.

None of those who follow Allah as the descendants of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob,

Mahomet claimed (not proven) to be a descendant of Ishmael. Ishmael was not the Son of the Promise.

look at the origin and meaning for the term “Allah.” Allah probably comes from the Aramaic compound term “al-ilah,” which means “the god.” It is a generic term for the highest god of the people, and in Arabia it was in use for centuries before Muhammad came on the scene. Apparently it was one of the 360 gods worshipped in the ka’aba in Mecca, and was the chief god for the Quraysh tribe, which was the tribe Muhammad belonged to. In the pre-Islamic time, Allah had three daughters,

Certainly NOT the same God.

You have no excuses now. Allah is not YHWH and it means 'the god" Where as YHWH is the name of the ONLY true God in relationship to both Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and so to King David and Jesus Christ.

Allah was only the God of Islam when Mahomet made it so.
Yes we can debate it, but the two are not the same.

SethZaddik · Mar 23, 2017

RESOLUTION said:
I think the problem is yours. You have done none of the above.

Is that supposed to accomplish something? Considering that I did everything I said I have and then again some more you are obviously steamed and need to tell yourself that and convince yourself it is going to convince anyone that I did not do that which I indeed did.

Feel free to try and prove otherwise but I don't recommend it. You will find yourself in this situation again and again, nothing to say except, "Nuh uh."

Bravo!

SethZaddik · Mar 23, 2017

RESOLUTION said:
Wrong Allah is the name of a god not the name of the Hebrew God.
It is not related to the God of Abraham, as it does not reflect any covenant with the God of Abraham and the people who follow Allah.

None of those who follow Allah as the descendants of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob,

Mahomet claimed (not proven) to be a descendant of Ishmael. Ishmael was not the Son of the Promise.

Certainly NOT the same God.

You have no excuses now. Allah is not YHWH and it means 'the god" Where as YHWH is the name of the ONLY true God in relationship to both Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and so to King David and Jesus Christ.

Allah was only the God of Islam when Mahomet made it so.
Yes we can debate it, but the two are not the same.

Your just an unlearned person making foolish claims because you don't know or want to admit what everyone knows.

Pretty pathetic.

The God of Abraham is the God of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed PBUT.

The proof is the Bible and Qur'an have the same God and share the same Prophets.

You have to be a real dunski not to get that. It is not a different Moses, Abraham, Elijah, Enoch, John, Jesus PBUT and it is not a different God.

A new Prophet PBUH is the difference and some minor traditions are different, that doesn't change the God of Jesus PBUH into a different God when Muslims revere him just as well.

You do realize you are foolish and absurd, very uneducated, if you actually think they are different.

Arabic speaking Christians worship Allah too and do acknowledge and always have that they share the same God.

You have no power to change that, change a Papal decree or anything, which is why you are frustrated and denying facts.

You hate Islam.

Ekleipsis · Mar 23, 2017

Yes, ultimately, they do

The problem is that we don't see the world how it is, we see it how we are, and similarly, God

There are many people who only believe in the God that most represents what they want to believe, ie

RESOLUTION · Mar 23, 2017

RESOLUTION said:
Wrong Allah is the name of a god not the name of the Hebrew God.
It is not related to the God of Abraham, as it does not reflect any covenant with the God of Abraham and the people who follow Allah.

None of those who follow Allah as the descendants of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob,

Mahomet claimed (not proven) to be a descendant of Ishmael. Ishmael was not the Son of the Promise.

Certainly NOT the same God.

You have no excuses now. Allah is not YHWH and it means 'the god" Where as YHWH is the name of the ONLY true God in relationship to both Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and so to King David and Jesus Christ.

Allah was only the God of Islam when Mahomet made it so.
Yes we can debate it, but the two are not the same.

RESOLUTION · Mar 23, 2017

SethZaddik said:
Your just an unlearned person making foolish claims because you don't know or want to admit what everyone knows.

Pretty pathetic.

The God of Abraham is the God of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed PBUT.

Not you miss Isaac and Jacob... like you miss so many truths. Mahomet is not a descendant of Issac and Jacob but Jesus is.
Hence Mahomet has no part in the promise made by God through Isaac and Jesus Christ.

The proof is the Bible and Qur'an have the same God and share the same Prophets.

There is no proof in the Koran but the Bible clearly shows that they are not the same God.
The god of the Koran is aloof and far off . The God of the Bible is hands on and shows clearly if you have no covenant with him you are no part of his people. In the NT it clearly shows if you do not remain with the teachings of Christ you do not have Christ and you do not have God. You cannot claim a God whom you do not obey or cannot know.

You have to be a real dunski not to get that. It is not a different Moses, Abraham, Elijah, Enoch, John, Jesus PBUT and it is not a different God.

Ignoring the truth that you omit that you are not part of the covenant with Isaac and Jacob and omitting their names because you know it, won't change the truth. It is further made clear in the NT where it is written
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

To have God you have to have Christ. Because he is the promised Messiah to the descendants of Isaac and Jacob.
Mahomet was not a descendant of the tribes of Israel and his people had no covenant with God.

A new Prophet PBUH is the difference and some minor traditions are different, that doesn't change the God of Jesus PBUH into a different God when Muslims revere him just as well.

To receive God you have to receive his words as given to the tribes of Israel the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
There is no other nations on earth regarding the teaching of Moses for he was sent to the Children of Israel a Prophet raised up from among Gods own people of his covenant. You do not know the bible the books of the Torah or the Pentateuch whatever you want to call it. And even if you read them or followed them it would never make you one of the twelve tribes of Israel because they had another promise which included the Gentiles being part of the New Covenant.
Jeremiah 31:31-34

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Note the covenant made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
The descendant of Isaac and Jacob no mention of any outside tribe or house.

If you cannot obey the Word of God or accept the word of God in the Torah and the Prophets then how can you be any part of that Gods people? The day Christ returns there will be no " Well done you good and faithful servants" for anyone who did not obey the Prophet/Messiah foretold by Moses who came from the line of Isaac and Jacob. Deuteronomy 18

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

You see the Messiah raised up from the descendants of Isaac and Jacob the main Prophet.
You claim to follow Moses yet you disobey the Words God gave him????
I can prove from the Word of God because I know God is not a liar. Why is it you cannot bear to hear the truth in the debate using only the words which show you so clearly wrong. I speak the truth that the only true God has shown through his words.
Yet you still try to same I am foolish or uneducated. It matters not what you say about me. Gods words will remain in judgement against you and his truth cannot be changed. The true Prophet and Messiah can on only come from the tribes of Israel the descendants of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob. Mahoment did not descend from them and is not a Prophet raised up from amongst Gods own people.

You do realize you are foolish and absurd, very uneducated, if you actually think they are different.

I am a child of the Most High God. The One true God the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
You cannot say that because you are not a descendant of Abraham.Isaac or Jacob. You have no covenant with God through them or through Jesus Christ. You are therefore not a believer in the same God. You have to be part of the teachings and the true covenants of the God of the bible to be a follower of the true God.

Arabic speaking Christians worship Allah too and do acknowledge and always have that they share the same God..

Ba'al means Lord but it does not refer to the LORD, himself. Allah has been shown to be the name of over 300 gods which that particular one was the one Mahomets tribe worshipped. A god who had three daughters so definitely not the same God as YHWH. Have you ever asked God to show you the truth? You see Gods people have covenants with him and believe what he tells them. You don't so how can anyone follow a God they do not accept the words he speaks?

You have no power to change that, change a Papal decree or anything, which is why you are frustrated and denying facts.

You hate Islam.

-Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

This is a debate and I have shown why Jews and Christians do not worship the same God as Muslims.
Gods word is the power which changes and shows you are wrong. There is no reason to hate Islam.
I love God and his truth. In this debate God can speak for himself from his own WORDS.
The Messiah the Prophet can only have come from the descendants of Isaac and Jacob. Moses himself being a descendant of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob. Note it actually states so there cannot be any confusion that YHWH is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

You have tried to make this debate about me. But I have made this about what is written.

SethZaddik · Mar 24, 2017

Bored, middle of the night and I love proving wrong errant notions so I will continue.

Elohim is essentially the plural form of Eloh, a more basic root-Hebrew word for God.

In Aramaic it is Alah root Eel
In Arabic it is Allah root Ilah
In Hebrew it is Eloh from El.

Genesis 1:1 Arabic Bible

Fee al-badi hhalaqa ALLAHU as Samawaat so al-Ard

Here is a list of Biblical and Quranic both mentionied Prophets PBUT and angels and other characters with some stories told both old and new about many, some just mentioned but always the same person as from the Bible. I will use English names.

Adam-Eve-Cain, Enoch. Noah and "his sons", Abraham-Lot-Isaac-Ishmael-Jacob-Joseph, "His brothers", Moses, Pharoah, Ever, Jethro, Korah.

Elijah, Elisha, Ezekiel, Ezra, Jonah, Job, Zechariah, John the Baptizer, Mary, "the Apostles",

Gog, Magog, Goliath, Haman

Gabriel and Michael.

There can be no way to deny, other than to knowingly dismiss established fact and replace it with your opinions, but that the Tanakh is different from the Gospels in style but shares the same characters and Prophets PBUT and God is believed by Jews, Christians and Muslims. Jesus PBUH and the 12 Apostles and the other disciples of him and them PBUT are introduced but refer to the Tanakh and its Prophets all the time.

The Qur'an introduces a new Prophet PBUH Mohammed and a return to the religion of the one God of Abraham PBUH and Ishmael PBUH, going back to Adam and Eve also, and the history and Laws of God for Islam as well as some new information about old events either not mentioned before, slightly different (which the Bible does all the time itself including four times in the Gospels) or otherwise unknown to Christianity unless one is familiar with the Qur'an.

The is no valid reason to say that Muslims don't worship the Judeo-Christian God and to do so makes one look uneducated and ignorant or worse.

J2hapydna · Mar 24, 2017

Tumah said:
In Lev. 24:11 the person who curses G-d is called the "son of the Israelite woman". The implication being that his father was not an "Israelite man" (and according to Midrashic sources, his father was an Egyptian who raped his mother). If he wasn't an Israelite himself, what was he doing with the Israelites?

Hi Tumah,

in that case, it was an ideal opportunity to call the son an Israelite. However, he is just called the son of an Israelite woman. Similarly according to you after converting, Jetro became an Israelite and made the sacrifice with Moses. Yet we don't see Moses calling Jetro an Israelite. In fact, when Jetro says he is going back after the sacrifice, Moses doesn't insist those aren't your people, you have converted so you must stay with the Israelites. In fact according to Mamonides, Jetro wasn't even a convert when he performed the sacrifice. So we have a non convert Midian priest or perhaps a convert Midian priest performing sacrifice with Moses who is allowed to return to his non Israelite people afterwards

In conclusion, I would say you haven't provided any evidence of either a convert being called an Israelite or the son of an Israelite woman with non Israelite paternal ancestry being called an Israelite. even when there was a clear opportunity in the scripture to do so, it wasn't done. In contrast there is evidence that whether convert or not, non Israelites performed sacrifices with Moses and not forbidden to return to their non Israelite tribes afterwards

RESOLUTION · Mar 24, 2017

King James Bible
And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

As we see God revealed himself to Moses and sent him to the people of Israel because of his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob.

Exodus 3:6.
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

14.And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob makes it clear that his people were the descendants of these three people.
That there was no other covenants no mention of Ishmael no mention of Mahomet. Because YHWH is the only true God
and never mentioned any other covenant with any other son of Abraham.

To be the same God a person would have to be descended from The main covenant and muslims are not.
In fact there is no comparison between YHWH and the god of the Koran.

Moses warned that nothing was to be added or taken away.

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” (Deut. 4:2.)

“What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.” (Deut. 12:32.)

Gods covenant was and has always been with his People Israel through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
It was through Abraham that God would bless all nations through Isaac and Jacob.

Not the same God, then and not the same God now. God himself declared he was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

J2hapydna · Mar 24, 2017

RESOLUTION said:
King James Bible
And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

As we see God revealed himself to Moses and sent him to the people of Israel because of his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob.

Exodus 3:6.
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

14.And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob makes it clear that his people were the descendants of these three people.
That there was no other covenants no mention of Ishmael no mention of Mahomet. Because YHWH is the only true God
and never mentioned any other covenant with any other son of Abraham.

To be the same God a person would have to be descended from The main covenant and muslims are not.
In fact there is no comparison between YHWH and the god of the Koran.

Moses warned that nothing was to be added or taken away.

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” (Deut. 4:2.)

“What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.” (Deut. 12:32.)

Gods covenant was and has always been with his People Israel through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
It was through Abraham that God would bless all nations through Isaac and Jacob.

Not the same God, then and not the same God now. God himself declared he was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The brunt of your argument appears to be focused on failure of MP to have a suitable Israelite lineage.

In reality, there is nothing in the Quran prohibiting MP from being a descendant of some Israelite. Quran's Allah says nothing on this topic beyond stating that MP is the descendant of Abraham and the one promised in the Bible. In fact it is well known that Arabs were debating this subject after MP had passed away. some thought he was an Israelite and others thought he wasn't. If you disagree then please quote the Quranic verse in which Allah states MP isn't an Israelite. So it seems you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. It has already been shown with examples of Job and Baalim that according to the Bible one can be a non Israelite prophet for gentiles. So, I think your argument about MPs lineage proving Allah isn't YHWH of the Bible has been refuted.

Finally, if a Jewish person was making your argument it would be one thing, but for a Christian who claims Jesus was the Son of YHWH rather than a patrilineal descendant of king Solomon thru the last legitimate king of the Jews is laughable. So why not fix your own messiahs lineage before lining him up with the Jewish G-D and pointing to the same splinter in another person's eye? It would make winning a debate a lot easier for you.

RESOLUTION · Mar 24, 2017

J2hapydna said:
The brunt of your argument appears to be focused on failure of MP to have a suitable Israelite lineage.

In reality, there is nothing in the Quran prohibiting MP from being a descendant of some Israelite. Quran's Allah says nothing on this topic beyond stating that MP is the descendant of Abraham and the one promised in the Bible. In fact it is well known that Arabs were debating this subject after MP had passed away. some thought he was an Israelite and others thought he wasn't. If you disagree then please quote the Quranic verse in which Allah states MP isn't an Israelite. So it seems you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. It has already been shown with examples of Job and Baalim that according to the Bible one can be a non Israelite prophet for gentiles. So, I think your argument about MPs lineage proving Allah isn't YHWH of the Bible has been refuted.

Twisting what people say is never clever. I explained myself in the post that I was referring to Christ the Messiah having to be from the line of Isaac. Allah and the Quran are not part of the Torah.
So they don't count.

Finally, if a Jewish person was making your argument it would be one thing, but for a Christian who claims Jesus was the Son of YHWH rather than a patrilineal descendant of king Solomon thru the last legitimate king of the Jews is laughable. So why not fix your own messiahs lineage before lining him up with the Jewish G-D and pointing to the same splinter in another person's eye? It would make winning a debate a lot easier for you.

I am more Jewish as a Christian than any Muslim is. My great grandparents were Jews. My grandfather Ruben and his wife were both Jews. I am telling you that Muslims are not following the God of Israel. How do I know... God does not change his mind about who he chooses. God clearly said he is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I am a descendant of Isaac but you are not. Jesus was both a descendant of King David and he was the Son of God. Unless you have completely failed to know even angels are known as Sons of God.They are without sin except those who left their stations.
Even Adam was known as a Son of God.

To be a descendant of Abraham you would have to be part of the covenants and you are not.
Isaac is the person whom God chose to give Abraham more descendants than grains of sand on the shores or stars at night.
Abrahams descendant obey God and remain in the true covenants.

I can remove the tree trunk from your eye as I have demolished all your arguments for you do not serve YHWH for you have no part in his covenants. Islam does not obey the teachings of Moses about the Messiah nor do they accept Jesus is the Son of God. Hence it cannot be the same God, can it?

J2hapydna · Mar 24, 2017

RESOLUTION said:
I explained myself in the post that I was referring to Christ the Messiah having to be from the line of Isaac. Allah and the Quran are not part of the Torah.
So they don't count.

I have asked you to show us a verse from the Quran that says MP wasn't from that line. Or better yet show me a verse from the Quran that says MP is the Messiah.

You seem to be chasing your own tail, arguing about things that nobody is disagreeing with you on.

J2hapydna · Mar 24, 2017

RESOLUTION said:
I am more Jewish as a Christian than any Muslim is. My great grandparents were Jews. My grandfather Ruben and his wife were both Jews. I am telling you that Muslims are not following the God of Israel. How do I know... God does not change his mind about who he chooses. God clearly said he is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I am a descendant of Isaac but you are not. Jesus was both a descendant of King David and he was the Son of God. Unless you have completely failed to know even angels are known as Sons of God.They are without sin except those who left their stations.
Even Adam was known as a Son of God.

That is so funny, please share your YDNA results with us, so we can compare them with those of Jewish Cohanim and the general Jewish population

Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

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