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The Wedding of Jesus

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
The Wedding of Jesus

No, please, hold unto the stones, and no throwing until you hear what I have to say. Besides, that's not my final word. I am still researching the matter. That's a partial submission for some second thoughts on the matter. Jesus was a Rabbi and here are the proofs: Matthew 23:7, John 1:38; 3:2. In many other instances, he was addressed as Master, which means the same. The point is that a Rabbi in Israel just like senior Pastors among Protestants had to be a married man or about to get married. Otherwise, he would not be ordained as such.

According to Judaism, after the proper preparation whatever it was at that time, probably, Mary's parents had passed away, because she used to live with her sister Martha and brother Lazarus. I mean, they lived with Mary, who was the one well-to-do. Martha would pay her room-and-board as a sort of maiden servant and Lazarus... well, I think he was a loafer-boy taking advantage of his rich sister. He was probably a sick man anyway, considering that he died twice.

Okay, but back to the wedding, Jesus' mother Mary had to do the host job; and she did it quite well by giving orders around to the servants. And according to another custom, the bridegroom was in charge to provide the wine, which mind you, Jesus made it sure to be of the best quality. The student would undergo the ceremonial "Mikveh" or immersion in waters and, if not married yet, to take care of that before ordination.

So, after Jesus' immersion in the Jordan River, officiated by John the Baptist aka Yonathan the Immerser, Jesus was seen in the next two days recruiting his disciples and leaving for Galilee. (John 1:29,35,43) And on the third day after his "Mikveh," The family and friends were celebrating his wedding in Cana with Mary Magdalene. Wait! Put down the stones! I'll explain.

According to a certain custom, usually the mother of the bride would be in charge of the celebrations, (John 2:10) I can assert for this custom because I was married in Israel and reminded of the custom, which I had happily to comply. The tale of the miracle was interpolated much later to deviate the probing attention of those who have a mind of their own from finding out what was really going on in Cana.

After Jesus' wedding, you can check for yourselves, all Jesus' come-and-goes were from and to Bethany, the home of Mary Magdalene. It must have been a very spacious and beautiful home, since Mary had the means to maintain it. Mind you that Mary would also take the tab for the expenses of Jesus' group of Twelve Apostles, along with some other women of course, who would tip it in from time to time.

Whenever Jesus would return from his missionary campaigns throughout Israel, the address was Bethany. To his wife obviously, although most the time, Mary Magdalene would follow Jesus as his beloved disciple, but never at the level of the Twelve. The Church later interpolated John as the beloved disciple for the same reason to get the mind of the readers away from the thought that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. But it's not helping because the evidences are just too shouting.

Do we have any hint to pick up as evidence for any romantic approach prior or after their wedding? Yes, we do. After Jesus exorcized "seven demons" from Mary, she must have fallen in love with him. (Luke 8:1-3) And the expression "seven demons" means the struggle that Jesus had to go through to rescue Mary from her not so reputable business in Magdala, which granted her a title she could never get rid of.

Then, in Bethany - where else? - when Mary was smearing Jesus' body with that expensive perfume, we all know, although we forbid ourselves to think about it, Mary did not just throw that perfume at him from afar. No way! She did smear him all over even in terms of massage; so much so that some of the guests thought it ridiculous and criticized the act done so, publicly. (Mat. 26:10-13)

Then, while everyone else would address Jesus as Rabbi, Mary would call him "Rabboni," a colloquial term used as an expression of love, especially by a Rabbi's wife. It also means Master of my sufferings, as Rachel named her son Benoni before she died from child birth. (Gen. 35:18)

Later, when Mary went to the tomb area after Jesus' crucifixion, and saw the empty tomb, she never suffered more in her life. She wanted to take Jesus' body away with her. (John 20:15) Then, she was crying without consolation. At her travail, she saw a man standing by, whom she thought to be the Gardener.

"Why are you crying?" the man asked. Jesus knew why but he wanted to enjoy the answer from his beloved's lips. Alas! She did not identify him! It was too dark. But then Jesus tried her name just the way he used to call her. "Mary..." It's hard to say it in writing, but Mary melted down and said, "Rabboni!" He was indeed the master of her sufferings. This is an expression with such a profound meaning in Hebrew or Aramaic that Mary jumped to hug him but Jesus, probably all in bandages, forbade her to cause him any more unnecessary pains. He would meet her later at more propitious circumstances. (John 20:17)

Then, after some apparitions to the disciples, Jesus said goodbye and left his company. From then on, the names of these three peoples were never mentioned again: Jesus, Mary and Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus yes, but only in connection with his teachings by the Nazarenes, a Jewish sect organized by the Apostles on Jesus
behalf. Joseph had to go along because, if he had stayed, he could be crucified for having cheated on Pilate regarding Jesus who was not dead when he took him off the cross.

Today, there are three speculations about their whereabouts. The first is that they settled down incognito in Talpiot, a small town to the South and not too far from Jerusalem, where some people have claimed to have found out the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Yoseph. I went there personally but just to be told that the area could not be explored by orders of the local Meier for being under an Apartment building.

The second speculation is that they left Israel and went to live in Cashmere, India, where a Russian Archaeologist is claimed to have found the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Yosef with the shield of David.

And the third speculation is the one of the Da-Vinci Code that the three went to Europe and settled down in the Southern part of France in a small village. And that Mary gave birth to a daughter, who eventually got married within the Merovingian nobility.

Whatever happened after Jesus said goodbye to his disciples, I don't endorse anything that has been speculated. My point is only to verify the truth about Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene. If that's true without the shadow of a doubt, we have only to be joyful that Jesus fulfilled also the commandment to get married and father children. (Genesis 2:24) Besides, a married man only adds to his honor for being so. Why deny Jesus the pleasure of being a man by completing himself by experiencing the love of a woman?

Okay, now you can throw the stones. Nu! Halo! Where is everybody? Halooo! Well, I think they all left. They must have realized thta they all have feelings too.
One has given good arguments for Jesus' first marriage, and most of them having clues from the Gospels itself .
Thanks and regards
 
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RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
One has given good arguments for Jesus' first marriage.
Thanks and regards
Words of praise from a man whose understanding of Judaism would fit into a thimble and still leave plenty of room for his understanding of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and just about any religion other than Islam?

Really?
 
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Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
That's wrong.

Unless you can procure some evidence outside "the NT said so".


That's wrong.

Master (Mar) is the term used to respectfully refer to someone.


That's wrong.

Being married is not one of the requirements to be a rabbi.


That's wrong.

Ordination has nothing to do with being a married. Nor does one need to be ordained in order to be what is colloquially called a rabbi. Ordination strictly allows a person to deliberate in whichever area of Jewish Law that he received ordination for. Most rabbis in the Babylonian Talmud didn't have ordination since it was only given in the land of Israel.


That's wrong.

The wedding party is actually called "feast of the groom" and it is a seudas mitzvah incumbent on the groom. There used to be another party closer to an engagement party that took place in the bride's home. That was also paid for by the groom. The Talmud discusses whether if they get divorced the bride needs to pay the groom back for expenses for such a party.


That's wrong.

Rabboni means "my Rabbi". Rabbon + i = Rabbi + my.


That's wrong.

Oni is spelled אוני as you correctly mentioned that Benjamin was called בן אוני - Ben Oni. But Rabboni is spelled רבוני and is lacking the first letter of Oni אוני as is found by Benjamin. What you are looking for is רבאוני < רב אוני and no such word exists.
:D
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
In the Mishnaic time period (the time period in which Jesus is alleged to have lived) the title of Rabbi was only given to someone who exhibits mastery in certain Laws. Once he establishes his proficiency, three rabbis already ordained with the title "Rabbi" would convene to ordain him officially as "Rabbi". This is called semicha and during that time period and the following period of the Talmud, only those who had been ordained with this semicha would be called "Rabbi". Being a Levite or even giving a sermon in the synagogue doesn't effect this whatsoever.

So for instance,there are rabbis quoted in the Mishna without the actual title of "Rabbi" added to their names, because they never received that ordination (even if they do actually have proficiency in the Laws). Sometimes the title will be missing in one statement by a rabbi, but present in a statement somewhere else because in between making the two statements he received semicha.

Because semicha is only given in the Israel, later on when Babylon became a major Torah center, the rabbis adopted a secondary title "Rab" because unless they happened to visit Israel and get it there, they weren't officially "Rabbis". So many, many rabbis in the Babylonian Talmud have the title Rab instead of Rabbi.

These days we no longer have real semicha, so technically there are no rabbis, just scholars who we call rabbi in recognition of their proficiency in Jewish Law. If someone demonstrates proficiency in the requisite Laws to another rabbi with that proficiency, they can receive a "unofficial" semicha that grants them the title Rabbi, but doesn't give them the ability to deliberate in the parts of Jewish Law that real semicha allows for. But the title is used very loosely today and there are plenty of Rabbis who don't even have this unofficial semicha.

Thanks for the come back. Not only is it informative but it clears up a question that has nagged me for some time.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Just a question for my personal illumination. Wasn't Jesus from "...the house of Levi"; and wouldn't his teaching in the synagogue elevate him the Rabbi level?

No, Jesus was not from the House of Levi. He was a Jew because of his Jewish mother but a Jew without a Tribe in Israel since the NT denies that Joseph was his biological father. (Mat. 1:18) There were many Jews in the First Century without a Tribe in Israel because they were born as a result of rapes by Roman soldiers. Josephus reports the numbers within the thousands of "mamzerim" in his book "Wars of the Jews."
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Ben, you have been greatly deceived. I will pray for you.

Why, for speaking the truth! Deep down, I am sure you know I am right with what I am saying. The problem is that I do
not agree to speak according to Christian preconceived notions. I can't! How could a Jew speak according to Christian preconceived notions?
 
Galatians 2

15“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith ind Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

17“But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.

19“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
No, Jesus was not from the House of Levi. He was a Jew because of his Jewish mother but a Jew without a Tribe in Israel since the NT denies that Joseph was his biological father. (Mat. 1:18) There were many Jews in the First Century without a Tribe in Israel because they were born as a result of rapes by Roman soldiers. Josephus reports the numbers within the thousands of "mamzerim" in his book "Wars of the Jews."

Good point. Never thought about it like that before.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Good point. Never thought about it like that before.

As I can see, you have a good antenna to fast understand what you see even in a very cloudy day! Have you ever watch videos by Rabbi Amnon Yizhak? He also has an antenna like yours and I have never listened to so intelligent a Rabbi.
 
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oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Not one verse that shows Jesus was married.
He probably was..... Jewish men probably got married in their late teens. I don't think Jesus was asexual.
...and I think that he loved Magdalene.
The balance of probability bears more weight (for me) than Christian myths that were invented about him later on.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Galatians 2::15“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith ind Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

17“But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.

19“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Paul committed a big mistake to speak for the Jews in general. He was the one who released himself from the Law if you read Romans 7:6. He simply was speaking nonsense. He should at least have proved his viewpoint that one cannot be justified by obedience of the Law but by faith. He should have known much better that if he had killed someone, he would never be justified by faith until he served some time in jail. James said in 2:26 that faith without the Law is akin to a body without the breath of life. Dead, if you know what I mean.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I"m pretty sure every thing above is wrong for me, because its factually wrong.
Spoilsport! :D
Look, if Ben had written that Jesus was a sports celebrity, rode a Mark IV donkey and ran a business making wooden musical instruments at least it would have been fun.
G-John (ferinstance) is such a jumbled tangled mess of anecdotes (many no more than fibs) strung out on a stretched timeline and talking utter boll.... bolderdash that I prefer Ben's account. It (by comparison with G-John) is quite accurate! :D
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
He probably was..... Jewish men probably got married in their late teens. I don't think Jesus was asexual....and I think that he loved Magdalene. The balance of probability bears more weight (for me) than Christian myths that were invented about him later on.

Oldbadger, I couldn't have said any better! Cal hacavod!
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
You don't even know how to read your own Scriptures. Gen 2:24 is not a commandment, it is a statement of fact if one gets married. The statement is not MUST, it is IF.

Rubbish.
Jewish men are told to take a wife by the sacrament of marriage. (Deut.24:1)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
You are absolutely wrong to interpret that text that way. The text is remind of the commandment to grow and multiply as in Genesis 1:28 which says "Be fertile and increase, fill the earth and master it..." How would he suppose to fulfill that command, with a she-dog or a woman? Of course a woman! Jesus said he had come to fulfill the Law even down to the dot of the letter. That to get married and father children was a commandment for a healthy man. So, if Jesus was not a married man, he was either a liar or a gay man. Either way, I am sure you would prefer that he was Married. Am I right or wrong?

It's no good.
Some Christians will chuck the Old Testament Laws to right and left, but when they start to lose they (after J's execution) retreat behind the 'New Covenant' and declare the Torah+ laws to be repealed.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Ben, you neglect many other verses that refer to Jesus as the Messiah that make it clear that the Messiah will have no issue.

Call Jesus what you wish, but he never made it to Meshiah.
Christians seem so desperate to make Jesus virginal.
I've never seen a picture of how Yeshua would have appeared on a real cross, suffering the horror, torture and extreme INDIGNITY of crucifixion. Christians always needed to pop a little loin-cloth around him!
What is it with many Christians?
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
It's no good.
Some Christians will chuck the Old Testament Laws to right and left, but when they start to lose they (after J's execution) retreat behind the 'New Covenant' and declare the Torah+ laws to be repealed.

But what people miss is that the New Covenant was established with the House of Israel and the House of Judah if you read Jeremiah 31:31,32. Not with Gentiles who refuse to convert to Judaism according to Isaiah 56:1-8 aka Jewish Law.
 
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