There's just somethin about Mary!

sovietchild said:

In Islam be believe that its a sin to worship humans, djinns and angels. What do you mean Mary is one with God? Are you trying to say Mary is God?

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Catholics venerate saints - they show them respect. Just like Muslim venerate Muhammad. Veneration is not worship.

Hi, not trying to proseletize, but Deanists believe that Mother Mary is an Image of Dea/God our Mother, which makes sense when you said that you felt the maternal love only a mother can give and didnt feel the same way for "God". May She be with you

sovietchild said:

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Someone needs to learn how to spell.

A Greased Scotsman,

re: "Catholics venerate saints - they show them respect. Just like Muslim venerate Muhammad. Veneration is not worship."


How do the actions of veneration differ from the actions of worship? In other words what specific actions of worship are never exercised in veneration?

PopeADope said:

So I woke up miserable and wanting to die and went to Mass today for the first time in a while and there was a statue of Mary holding a Rosary that just warmed my heart and filled my soul with light, joy, and peace every time I glanced at it.

I got a lot out of mass and didn't expect to and it wasn't the sermon, the music, the Scripture readings, communion, or anything you would think it was. It was that I felt close to Mother Mary. The message from her wasn't clear, it was just I felt very close to her, felt like she loved and accepted me, felt that maternal nurturing that only a Mother can give, and went from feeling suicidal and miserable to being joyful, giddy, peaceful, faithful, childlike, meek, humble, and hopeful.

I suppose it could all be in my head, but I don't have the power to transform my mood and emotions like that, or I would make a habit of doing it more often. It came as a huge surprise.

I don't get those graces when I go to God. I get those graces when I go to Mary. I guess God is calling some of us to go to His Mother. I put this in the religious debates because some people think devotion to Mary is evil. Well, nothing fills me more with Christ-like virtues and graces than going to His Mother, so I don't see how it can be evil.

Truly, I woke up feeling empty, tired, miserable, hopeless, and wishing I was dead, went to mass and was truly amazed at how my mood, attitude, and emotions flipped to the opposite of joy, peace, love for God (who I had grown to hate), gratitude, humility, meekness, giggling inside, and lots of positive energy.

Would you still say my experience was evil? I also get more out of praying the Rosary than other prayers/devotions and wear a scapular. Is that evil?

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Are you worshipping evil? No, I dont believe so. The Catholic Church can, and will bring those seeking God to Him, if He's who they really want to go to. I converted to Catholicism after marrying into a Catholic family, who have since, all switched to Bible based Churches, as I have. I guess it was all of those scandals, {Priests, and kids}, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. It wasn't a conscious decision, we all just kind of fell away one by one. Except for one sister-in-law who had done her homework, and was disgusted with the Church. I had been baptised Presbyterian, as a baby, but Church attendance was short lived, in my childhood, due to divorce, etc. So, it was the Catholic Church Mass, the Church itself, with all the beautiful stained glass depictions from the Bible, the CCD classes we had our kids attend, the warmth, and comforting routine of the whole liturgical program there that was actually opening my heart to Jesus, even though, I still wasn't a real Christian yet. That's not to say, I didn't think I could be considered Christian, because, of course, Yeah, I considered myself, a good person, a believer in Christ, a Christian, but I knew, there was more, and somehow, I wasn't getting it. After a few years, a lot of personal marriage, family, financial problems, I finally dropped to my knees to plead for help, desperate, because I had tried everything within my power to fix our problems, but failed. I wanted God in my life, and told him so. After the smoke started clearing{sometimes this takes a couple of years}, I slowly felt different, I was able to manage my emotions a whole lot better. I wasn't so scared of what would happen next. Doors opened for me that just wouldn't have opened nearly as easy, if I hadn't changed first. Im certain of this. Now, since then some of those doors have slammed shut again, but its workable, not devastating. I was saved! My life has God in it, and I see now, He was always there, and I should never have doubted it.

Uh, that prayer, is excluding God/Jesus, and anything, or anybody, but Mary, and maybe pleasures?? It feels like a pull away from where you ought to go,
which is to God!

NadiaMoon said:

Hi, not trying to proseletize, but Deanists believe that Mother Mary is an Image of Dea/God our Mother, which makes sense when you said that you felt the maternal love only a mother can give and didnt feel the same way for "God". May She be with you

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NadiaMoon said:

Hi, not trying to proseletize, but Deanists believe that Mother Mary is an Image of Dea/God our Mother, which makes sense when you said that you felt the maternal love only a mother can give and didnt feel the same way for "God". May She be with you

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rstrats said:

A Greased Scotsman,

re: "Catholics venerate saints - they show them respect. Just like Muslim venerate Muhammad. Veneration is not worship."


How do the actions of veneration differ from the actions of worship? In other words what specific actions of worship are never exercised in veneration?

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The Sacraments? I know the Rosary is done for Mary, but isn't The Rosary, a dedication, or something of that sort? Or am I completely off base?

sovietchild said:

I suggest you take the picture off. This is a misguided painting. A defamation. They started to make crucifixion of Jesus crosses many years after Mary passed away.

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What if it is a depiction of her spirit as it is now, standing in the afterlife, beckoning you to come to the cross? As others have said, you should probably just stop posting.

A Vestigial Mote said:

What if it is a depiction of her spirit as it is now, standing in the afterlife, beckoning you to come to the cross? As others have said, you should probably just stop posting.

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One of us should definitely stop posting. Mary have never promoted any crosses. This is a defamation of her character.

sovietchild said:

One of us should definitely stop posting. Mary have never promoted any crosses. This is a defamation of her character.

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Yes, one of us. We'll see who does so first.

A Vestigial Mote said:

Yes, one of us. We'll see who does so first.

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You shouldn't post here if you are normal. Just saying...

sovietchild said:

You shouldn't post here if you are normal. Just saying...

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Who said anything about being normal? And if you're calling me normal, and apparently think there is something wrong with me, then I have nothing to say except: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NORMAL?

LaurieW said:

I know the Rosary is done for Mary, but isn't The Rosary, a dedication, or something of that sort? Or am I completely off base?

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It's a meditative-type prayer that also asks Mary to "...pray for us...".

LaurieW said:

Uh, that prayer, is excluding God/Jesus, and anything, or anybody, but Mary, and maybe pleasures?? It feels like a pull away from where you ought to go,
which is to God!

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See my post above.

rstrats said:

How do the actions of veneration differ from the actions of worship? In other words what specific actions of worship are never exercised in veneration?

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Veneration is more that of respect, such as what's found in what Elizabeth said to Mary. According to Catholic theology, Mary and the saints can be used as conduits of prayer to God, much like we can pray for each other.