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Tell me a little about the Setian path.
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Well, Setianism is a surprisingly complicated metaphysical system, especially by today's standards. This makes it near impossible to give a full picture. I'll just start rambling, you can ask questions, others will chime in, and we'll go from there!
Setianism is a type of platonic henotheism, rooted in the Theory of Forms and the mysteries of Egypt that inspired them. The central deity is Set, whose name means confuser/trickster, separator/isolator, and drunkenness. He is the oldest, complete dark god to appear in human religious texts, where he was originally head of the gods, but was knocked down and perverted by the religion of Osiris.
Set is the Form of isolated consciousness, meaning all things with isolate consciousness (like human beings) partake in the Form of Set. Most religions have demonized or rejected this aspect of ourselves, with more than a little guidance from Osirian politics. We fear our free will, our inner strength and self responsibility. And so most religions, right hand path religions, put the order of the cosmos above the conscious will.
Setian morality is one of equal opportunity and earned outcome. Everyone has an equal chance, but not all things end up being equal. So long as we don't have people starving in the streets or slaved to unavoidable bills, there can be as much wealth divide as deserved. Kind of a spin on Rawlsian ethics.
The central goal of Setianism revolves around the possibly pre-writing verb, Xeper, meaning "to come into being." The Setian seeks to attain high levels of being based on personal free will, and help those who desire it do the same.
What is a Setian?
The Setian is one who strives and works towards becoming attuned to his/her own Higher Self, and who strives and works to become his/her complete and absolute manifestation of being in the Universe. The Setian is a spiritual Alchemist who through the Black Work, the process of Self-directed Self-evolution, is transformed from mortal into the essence of divinity, from led into gold. The primordial source for this refined consciousness is that which is known as the Prince of Darkness whom we Setians identify as the ancient Egyptian god Set.
Why Set?
Set was the ancient Egyptian Neter or god of winds, storms, chaos, war, disruption of the cosmic stasis, and the god of Darkness and of the Sky by Night. Set was originally honored and worshipped as a powerful Neter whose kingdom was the majesty of the night sky, which he ruled from his Seat behind the Constellation of the Seven Stars or Ursa Major. Set is one of the most ancient and noble semblances of That which is also called Satan or the Devil, Prometheus, Beelzebub, Mephistopheles, etc. Its names and faces are many.
Set’s Name ultimately means the Isolator or Separator, to Set Apart, which also makes him a perfect Lord of the Left-Hand Path. As Set separated him Self from the laws of the Order of the Cosmos, so too have we who walk this path consciously rejected and have separated and liberated ourselves from socially established norms, the conventional, the traditional ebb and flow of society, popular culture and conventional religion and morality.
What is Xeper?
Xeper is an ancient Egyptian verb/noun (pronounced Khefr) written as a stylized scarab beetle, which in English roughly translates as “ To Become” or “ To Evolve” or, “I Have Come Into Being”. We all have within ourselves our own individual hidden truths of higher being. The path and quest of Xeper is to uncover and to ultimately become the very embodiment and most complete and supreme manifestation of these truths.
“Xeper is the experience of an individual psyche becoming aware of its own existence and deciding to expand and evolve that existence through its own actions.” It is a dynamic spiritual transformation in one’s life in which the horizons of the potentiality of one’s own being expands. It is the establishment of a new higher mode or state of existence. Xeper, like in Alchemy, is the transformation of the soul or psyche from a lower state or base element into that of a higher state or divine element.
Xeper happens. For instance, Xeper happened to me on that day when I first truly heard that piece of music which would inspire me to devote the next eight + years of my life learning music theory and piano technique. Xeper happened to me on that night when I first invoked the Name of Set in a Working of Greater Black Magic and Came Into Being as a Setian. In those moments of dynamic spiritual transformation, major paradigms in my life were shifted and I was changed forever. Xeper is that which transformed humans from what we were 2 million years ago to that which we are today, and which will continue to transform us into other forms. Hence, it occurs on both a macrocosmic (racial) and a microcosmic (individual) level. Xeper continues to occur through the Remanifestation of these transformations of being.
What is Remanifestation?
Remanifestation is another essential aspect of Setian philosophy and the path of Xeper. It is what we do after Xeper happens, after a higher state of existence has become established. It is through the continual exercise and application of the knowledge, powers, and abilities which we have attained thus far, to our continuing work, which enables us to uncover even deeper mysteries, develop stronger more refined abilities, and to establish new higher states of existence. Without Remanifestation, Xeper would only be a single event happening. Xeper and Remanifestation, in essence, is the food for the soul; we Come Into Being and continually feed and nurture that Being through the exercise of the re-energized Black Flame. This is the process of self-directed self-evolution.
What is the significance of Darkness?
Darkness is more than just the absence of light, it observably envelopes the entire Universe. It symbolizes the Mysteries, the unknown, the secret knowledge, that which is hidden, also the infinite potential of the self-aware Being, and that which is not-yet-manifest or Is-to-Be in the realms of Black Magick. And as Don Webb once described the Path of Darkness: “In this darkling universe there are no lights save for those you create through your hard work, your spiritual rebellion, your seeking after the mysteries of your own choosing. When that light dawns, it will by its very nature not only give you moments of clarity about things in your life closest to you, it will likewise show you new horizons – horizons for you and you alone to explore.”
What is the Black Flame?
The term “Black Flame” appeared in modern times in Michael Aquino’s document “The Diabolicon”, where Lucifer came down from Heaven and infused within all mankind the essence of his mind. When doing this, the radiance of Lucifer’s mind radiated out across the Earth in the form of brilliant rays of black light.
The Black Flame is the Essence of Set within us, it is that which initiates and inspires the Will to Come Into Being, it is the energizing force of the Will to Magick, Self-Consciousness, and higher intellect; it is the very essence of being within all self-aware entities. All understanding of science and mathematics, independent thought, abstract, and creative thought such as inventiveness, philosophy, metaphysics, religion; all music and works of art; all expressions of the creative mind and will are spawns or manifestations of the Black Flame. It is that which gives us a higher sense of Self just like other animals have a more heightened sense of sight, smell, and sound. This is the nature of the Black Flame which, having become infused within our very DNA, is actually the so called “Sixth Sense”.
What is Black Magic?
Black Magic is the Willful confounding and alteration of the universal laws of the Cosmos. It is the Art of altering or changing the subjective universe in order to produce a proportionate change in the objective universe in accordance with the Will. Setian Magic is divided into lesser and greater degrees of manifestation, Lesser Black Magic (LBM) and Greater Black Magic (GBM). Lesser Black Magic is the manipulation or influencing of events, situations, people, in the everyday world by the Magician in order to produce a desired outcome.
There is a three-fold dynamic in the practice of Greater Black Magic:
The Setian is one who strives and works towards becoming attuned to his/her own Higher Self, and who strives and works to become his/her complete and absolute manifestation of being in the Universe. The Setian is a spiritual Alchemist who through the Black Work, the process of Self-directed Self-evolution, is transformed from mortal into the essence of divinity, from led into gold. The primordial source for this refined consciousness is that which is known as the Prince of Darkness whom we Setians identify as the ancient Egyptian god Set.
Why Set?
Set was the ancient Egyptian Neter or god of winds, storms, chaos, war, disruption of the cosmic stasis, and the god of Darkness and of the Sky by Night. Set was originally honored and worshipped as a powerful Neter whose kingdom was the majesty of the night sky, which he ruled from his Seat behind the Constellation of the Seven Stars or Ursa Major. Set is one of the most ancient and noble semblances of That which is also called Satan or the Devil, Prometheus, Beelzebub, Mephistopheles, etc. Its names and faces are many.
Set’s Name ultimately means the Isolator or Separator, to Set Apart, which also makes him a perfect Lord of the Left-Hand Path. As Set separated him Self from the laws of the Order of the Cosmos, so too have we who walk this path consciously rejected and have separated and liberated ourselves from socially established norms, the conventional, the traditional ebb and flow of society, popular culture and conventional religion and morality.
What is Xeper?
Xeper is an ancient Egyptian verb/noun (pronounced Khefr) written as a stylized scarab beetle, which in English roughly translates as “ To Become” or “ To Evolve” or, “I Have Come Into Being”. We all have within ourselves our own individual hidden truths of higher being. The path and quest of Xeper is to uncover and to ultimately become the very embodiment and most complete and supreme manifestation of these truths.
“Xeper is the experience of an individual psyche becoming aware of its own existence and deciding to expand and evolve that existence through its own actions.” It is a dynamic spiritual transformation in one’s life in which the horizons of the potentiality of one’s own being expands. It is the establishment of a new higher mode or state of existence. Xeper, like in Alchemy, is the transformation of the soul or psyche from a lower state or base element into that of a higher state or divine element.
Xeper happens. For instance, Xeper happened to me on that day when I first truly heard that piece of music which would inspire me to devote the next eight + years of my life learning music theory and piano technique. Xeper happened to me on that night when I first invoked the Name of Set in a Working of Greater Black Magic and Came Into Being as a Setian. In those moments of dynamic spiritual transformation, major paradigms in my life were shifted and I was changed forever. Xeper is that which transformed humans from what we were 2 million years ago to that which we are today, and which will continue to transform us into other forms. Hence, it occurs on both a macrocosmic (racial) and a microcosmic (individual) level. Xeper continues to occur through the Remanifestation of these transformations of being.
What is Remanifestation?
Remanifestation is another essential aspect of Setian philosophy and the path of Xeper. It is what we do after Xeper happens, after a higher state of existence has become established. It is through the continual exercise and application of the knowledge, powers, and abilities which we have attained thus far, to our continuing work, which enables us to uncover even deeper mysteries, develop stronger more refined abilities, and to establish new higher states of existence. Without Remanifestation, Xeper would only be a single event happening. Xeper and Remanifestation, in essence, is the food for the soul; we Come Into Being and continually feed and nurture that Being through the exercise of the re-energized Black Flame. This is the process of self-directed self-evolution.
What is the significance of Darkness?
Darkness is more than just the absence of light, it observably envelopes the entire Universe. It symbolizes the Mysteries, the unknown, the secret knowledge, that which is hidden, also the infinite potential of the self-aware Being, and that which is not-yet-manifest or Is-to-Be in the realms of Black Magick. And as Don Webb once described the Path of Darkness: “In this darkling universe there are no lights save for those you create through your hard work, your spiritual rebellion, your seeking after the mysteries of your own choosing. When that light dawns, it will by its very nature not only give you moments of clarity about things in your life closest to you, it will likewise show you new horizons – horizons for you and you alone to explore.”
What is the Black Flame?
The term “Black Flame” appeared in modern times in Michael Aquino’s document “The Diabolicon”, where Lucifer came down from Heaven and infused within all mankind the essence of his mind. When doing this, the radiance of Lucifer’s mind radiated out across the Earth in the form of brilliant rays of black light.
The Black Flame is the Essence of Set within us, it is that which initiates and inspires the Will to Come Into Being, it is the energizing force of the Will to Magick, Self-Consciousness, and higher intellect; it is the very essence of being within all self-aware entities. All understanding of science and mathematics, independent thought, abstract, and creative thought such as inventiveness, philosophy, metaphysics, religion; all music and works of art; all expressions of the creative mind and will are spawns or manifestations of the Black Flame. It is that which gives us a higher sense of Self just like other animals have a more heightened sense of sight, smell, and sound. This is the nature of the Black Flame which, having become infused within our very DNA, is actually the so called “Sixth Sense”.
What is Black Magic?
Black Magic is the Willful confounding and alteration of the universal laws of the Cosmos. It is the Art of altering or changing the subjective universe in order to produce a proportionate change in the objective universe in accordance with the Will. Setian Magic is divided into lesser and greater degrees of manifestation, Lesser Black Magic (LBM) and Greater Black Magic (GBM). Lesser Black Magic is the manipulation or influencing of events, situations, people, in the everyday world by the Magician in order to produce a desired outcome.
There is a three-fold dynamic in the practice of Greater Black Magic:
- Origination – all Magic originates and begins in the mind. Abstract and subjective thought.
- Manifestation – the refinement of the subjective Will through Ritual Magic employed by the Magician so that his/her Will is known to the Universe.
- Crystallization – the realization of the subjective Will into a definite form, woven into the warp and weave of the objective universe. Subjective thoughts and ideas become objective reality.
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Lorgar-Aurelian
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I rather like where this is going. I have a few questions.
How does one become a Setian and learn more?
As far as the wealth divided that isn't exactly socialism Is it?
So what kind of rules would a Setian follow if any?
To become a Setian one simply dedicates themselves to and follows the path of Setianism. Rawlsian ethics are not socialism no, they're kind of a mix between between socialism and free market capitalism. I'd also say that along with Rawls the morality and ethics of Thelema play an important role as well. The only real rules the Setian follows is the dedication to self evolution, the refusal to subjugate the self or others to the gods, nature, the state, etc. The Setian seeks Xeper and if anything, only "worships" individual uniqueness and potential.
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Thelemapedia: The Encyclopedia of Thelema & Magick | Thelema
Lorgar-Aurelian
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Interesting, I guess it's time to do some reading.
Side note, because of you 'm playing through dark souls 1 , then scholar and 3 again. And demon's souls of course.
Lol I just played through dark souls yesterday and am starting 3 today. Honestly I'm convinced the Scholar is the final one and 3 is in the middle.
And we have a nice reading list to look through here If you want: Library of the Ancient Serpent
Lorgar-Aurelian
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You playing on Pc with steam or console? I would suggest it might be fun to go through 3 again with somebody if you have it on Pc.
Thelema is something I am at least vaguely familiar with. A lot of what I have read so far reminds me of mystic versions of pagan and Abrahamic religions so far. Gnostic traditions as well
Yeah Crowley did make Thelema quite rhp. As a Setian I'm more interested in the moral aspects of it, not the metaphysical aspects. And console, sorry!
Lorgar-Aurelian
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You *******! oh well .
Crowley was an interesting man if a bit... crazy at times.
To be sure, there is no politics in Setian philosophy. An individual Setian can be in there own lives and political status a capitalist or a socialist, whatever, however, the Setians allegiance to Set and his brethren always comes first and foremost regardless of political ideology.
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I have not studied Crowley in-depth, but his were among the first "occult" books I read as a youth. The main influence on me was his experimental (and experiential) approach.
I view Set as a transcendental consciousness that is able to reveal one's own higher potential, and will guide one back to their true selfhood when apprehended. At least that has been my experience. But there is no grace, it is up to me to act upon whatever inspiration Set provides and see it through.
I view Set as a transcendental consciousness that is able to reveal one's own higher potential, and will guide one back to their true selfhood when apprehended. At least that has been my experience. But there is no grace, it is up to me to act upon whatever inspiration Set provides and see it through.