The FLOOD, God's Great Failure?

Daisies4me · Mar 16, 2017

Skwim said:
I only post the following in light of the contention that god is infallible and can do no wrong.

Genesis 6:5-7 (NKJV)
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have
created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”

Now if anyone sees the flood as a success please point it out.

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Daisies4me · Mar 16, 2017

From the beginning the Almighty God gave His requirements for humans to continue to live on His earth. Did He not? The issues in not with God, at all. It is with the applied free will to choose of Adam that allowed sin and death to enter into the world. The results of obeying Satan rather than God resulted in the corrupt ungodly society on earth that necessitated the cleansing of the earth of all ungodly people , which He did by means of the Great Deluge. Only 8 souls survived to continue the existence of humans on earth in order to fulfill Bible prophecy and God's Purposes for the earth and mankind, that being the providing of the Ransom thru whom Mankind could be redeemed, and have the hope of a resurrection from the death condition for those who died prior to the flood. The attempts by Satan to rule the world at that time were thus thwarted, and had it not happened, none of us would be alive today. So it was not in any way an issue about God's creation, but the willful rebellion against God's instructions that brought the flood. Had Adam resisted the temptation and not wilfully sinned against God, the flood would not have been necessary. The main theme of the Bible is Universal Sovereignty. Satan's attempt to rule the earth, and God's allotted time for the fulfillment of prophecy and His great undeserved kindness to be applied to all humans who desire to live in a paradise of peace in complete peace and security under the Theocratic Kingdom of God that Jesus taught his disciples to pray for at Matthew 6:9-10. The majority of Bible prophecies have already been fulfilled, and the second cleansing of the earth by our Almighty God and His Christ is advancing right on course, and will not be late. This is my understanding from years of Biblical study and research, and I hope it helps you in your search for answers , as well.

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Daisies4me · Mar 16, 2017

Kemosloby said:
Yes the Jewish/Christian old testament says they lived for 1,000 years before the flood.

Daisies4me · Mar 16, 2017

Actually, no humans lived to be 1,000 years, as that is deemed by God to be a "day". since Adam was told that in the 'day' that he ate the forbidden fruit, he would surely die. Adam died at 930 years of age, within the 'day' that God spoke of. But you are certainly correct in the fact that humans were created perfect, and the offspring of Adam and Eve were, even though they sinned, must stronger and healthier that any human today, and throughout the centuries, the effects of sin became stronger, and the humans became weaker. so now, being approximately 6 thousand years from perfection, the life expectancy is far less than it was in the beginning .

Skwim · Mar 16, 2017

Daisies4me said:
From the beginning the Almighty God gave His requirements for humans to continue to live on His earth. Did He not? The issues in not with God, at all. It is with the applied free will to choose of Adam that allowed sin and death to enter into the world. The results of obeying Satan rather than God resulted in the corrupt ungodly society on earth that necessitated the cleansing of the earth of all ungodly people , which He did by means of the Great Deluge. Only 8 souls survived to continue the existence of humans on earth in order to fulfill Bible prophecy and God's Purposes for the earth and mankind, that being the providing of the Ransom thru whom Mankind could be redeemed, and have the hope of a resurrection from the death condition for those who died prior to the flood. The attempts by Satan to rule the world at that time were thus thwarted, and had it not happened, none of us would be alive today. So it was not in any way an issue about God's creation, but the willful rebellion against God's instructions that brought the flood. Had Adam resisted the temptation and not wilfully sinned against God, the flood would not have been necessary. The main theme of the Bible is Universal Sovereignty. Satan's attempt to rule the earth, and God's allotted time for the fulfillment of prophecy and His great undeserved kindness to be applied to all humans who desire to live in a paradise of peace in complete peace and security under the Theocratic Kingdom of God that Jesus taught his disciples to pray for at Matthew 6:9-10. The majority of Bible prophecies have already been fulfilled, and the second cleansing of the earth by our Almighty God and His Christ is advancing right on course, and will not be late. This is my understanding from years of Biblical study and research, and I hope it helps you in your search for answers , as well.

#143

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Just one question. Sin wise, including all its accompanying consequences, were the people that came after the flood any different than those who lived before the flood?

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Daisies4me · Mar 16, 2017

neologist said:
You seem to confuse punishment with consequence,
If you get hit by a car while jaywalking, that would be a consequence.

Daisies4me · Mar 16, 2017

Genesis 2:17 could clear up some misconceptions on the conditions of extended life in God's Earth. He gave Adam the 'house rules' straight from the beginning. Now, He could have just zapped the first human pair out of existence right then and there, when they rebelled against His Laws. And He would have been justified in so doing. However, He allowed them to remain long enough to produce offspring, who could inhabit the earth, as He intended, and at that time, He also put into action a 'plan B' of sorts, in that He devised a method that would provide a ransom for those born in sin, if they so desired to take advantage of it and be obedient to God, and in time, the Divine Purpose will come to pass, and the earth will be inhabited by righteous person who all worship the Creator in unity and in peace. God, who cannot lie, will see that His promises come to pass. Isaiah 55:11 tells us this.

Skwim said:
First of all, you seem to be having trouble putting your replies on the same page as the post you're addressing.
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Just one question. Sin wise, including all its accompanying consequences, were the people that came after the flood any different than those who lived before the flood?

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Daisies4me · Mar 16, 2017

Skwim said:
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Just one question. Sin wise, including all its accompanying consequences, were the people that came after the flood any different than those who lived before the flood?

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SlimsGhost · Mar 16, 2017

Skwim said:
Just one question. Sin wise, including all its accompanying consequences, were the people that came after the flood any different than those who lived before the flood?
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Of course they were different people - physically and spiritually. They weren't the ones that died in the flood, that's for sure.

Or did you just mean that the post-flood people have sinned (profusely, even) just like the pre-flood people did?

Well yes, ALL have sinned. But does this observation have any bearing on the event of the flood? I'm just not seeing the connection between original sin (or even the prevalence of sin) and the flood.

Kemosloby · Mar 16, 2017

Daisies4me said:
Actually, no humans lived to be 1,000 years, as that is deemed by God to be a "day". since Adam was told that in the 'day' that he ate the forbidden fruit, he would surely die. Adam died at 930 years of age, within the 'day' that God spoke of. But you are certainly correct in the fact that humans were created perfect, and the offspring of Adam and Eve were, even though they sinned, must stronger and healthier that any human today, and throughout the centuries, the effects of sin became stronger, and the humans became weaker. so now, being approximately 6 thousand years from perfection, the life expectancy is far less than it was in the beginning .

Nah, God changed mans lifespan after the flood. He said " I will no longer strive with man forever, therefore his days shall be 100 years".

Daisies4me · Mar 16, 2017

Yes, thank you so much for your patience and suggestions. I have to say, it is difficult on my chrome book to follow. I apologize for my lack of tech knowledge. now, to your question:
I feel that the people who were drowned in the flood had been judged by God as incorrigible. And the hybrid giants had to be removed from the earth. If God had left things alone much longer, there would have been NO persons obeying God on earth. And Satan would have won His challenge to be ruler over the earth. God saved the 8 souls who were loyal to Him and obedient, and by putting them aboard the ark (which they built, btw) the Creator did not allow Satan to destroy all of mankind.
The world today is ruined also. It is only a very short matter of time, in my opinion, when a similar situation will present itself, and God will step in and completely destroy all ungodly men AND all evil demon spirit creatures, including Satan, will be thrown into the abyss of inactivity, the death condition. So they will not be able to mislead and misguide the people who survive the Holy War of God (Rev. 16:14, 16) and also the ones who will then be resurrected from the death state, and restored to perfect life on earth, if they choose to obey God.

ADigitalArtist · Mar 16, 2017

SlimsGhost said:
Of course they were different people - physically and spiritually. They weren't the ones that died in the flood, that's for sure.

Or did you just mean that the post-flood people have sinned (profusely, even) just like the pre-flood people did?

Well yes, ALL have sinned. But does this observation have any bearing on the event of the flood? I'm just not seeing the connection between original sin (or even the prevalence of sin) and the flood.

I think the idea is that the flood didn't accomplish anything according to the narrative. Therefore it was a failure. Which I think only works if you argue the intention was to remove sin with the flood, which is not how Christians I see argue. Rather as specifically dealing with the Nephilim and leaving the object lesson of justice and mercy.

Imo the moral lesson of the flood is tenuous and scientifically the flood is patently ridiculous, but I wouldn't argue it didn't meet its goals within the narrative.

SlimsGhost · Mar 16, 2017

Skwim said:
I only post the following in light of the contention that god is infallible and can do no wrong.

Genesis 6:5-7 (NKJV)
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have
created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”

Now if anyone sees the flood as a success please point it out.

.

Actually, I understand how skeptics could twist the flood (or anything) to look like a failure, as easily as I can understand it (in my mind) as a success for the human race.

Consider that lots of wicked people were wiped out by the wrath of God, and these people were not the ones sinning after the flood. At any rate, later on God sent Jesus, partly to quench wrath with grace, which believers today live under.

The sin - then and now - comes from Satan, and God didn't destroy Satan with the flood - he destroyed the wicked people!

As a believer, this is how I see it as a success.

Daisies4me · Mar 16, 2017

Kemosloby said:
Nah, God changed mans lifespan after the flood. He said " I will no longer strive with man forever, therefore his days shall be 100 years".

Daisies4me · Mar 16, 2017

would you mind telling me which chapter and verse you are referring to?
thanks

redpolk · Mar 17, 2017

Daisies4me said:
From the beginning the Almighty God gave His requirements for humans to continue to live on His earth. Did He not? The issues in not with God, at all. It is with the applied free will to choose of Adam that allowed sin and death to enter into the world. The results of obeying Satan rather than God resulted in the corrupt ungodly society on earth that necessitated the cleansing of the earth of all ungodly people , which He did by means of the Great Deluge. Only 8 souls survived to continue the existence of humans on earth in order to fulfill Bible prophecy and God's Purposes for the earth and mankind, that being the providing of the Ransom thru whom Mankind could be redeemed, and have the hope of a resurrection from the death condition for those who died prior to the flood. The attempts by Satan to rule the world at that time were thus thwarted, and had it not happened, none of us would be alive today. So it was not in any way an issue about God's creation, but the willful rebellion against God's instructions that brought the flood. Had Adam resisted the temptation and not wilfully sinned against God, the flood would not have been necessary. The main theme of the Bible is Universal Sovereignty. Satan's attempt to rule the earth, and God's allotted time for the fulfillment of prophecy and His great undeserved kindness to be applied to all humans who desire to live in a paradise of peace in complete peace and security under the Theocratic Kingdom of God that Jesus taught his disciples to pray for at Matthew 6:9-10. The majority of Bible prophecies have already been fulfilled, and the second cleansing of the earth by our Almighty God and His Christ is advancing right on course, and will not be late. This is my understanding from years of Biblical study and research, and I hope it helps you in your search for answers , as well.

#143

And you still believe God is omnipotent and omniscient?

Skwim · Mar 17, 2017

SlimsGhost said:
Of course they were different people - physically and spiritually. They weren't the ones that died in the flood, that's for sure.

Or did you just mean that the post-flood people have sinned (profusely, even) just like the pre-flood people did?

Well yes, ALL have sinned. But does this observation have any bearing on the event of the flood? I'm just not seeing the connection between original sin (or even the prevalence of sin) and the flood.

Skwim post 146 said:
Just one question. Sin wise, including all its accompanying consequences, were the people that came after the flood any different than those who lived before the flood?

look3467 · Mar 17, 2017

Hi, Skwim
My response:
There is not much difference in attitude between before the flood and after the flood. The ability of mankind has to judge between good and evil has not and will not change.
What has happened, that does affect the difference between before the flood and after the flood is the ark.
The ark is a picture of humanity becoming lost due to the nature of being intelligently enabled, or in layman's terms, in the image of God.
The regret is not in the making of mankind gone amok but rather the sacrifice that God has to make in order to redeem that which became lost.
God, in the hands of mankind, has to condemn His only Son for the redemption of the human race. Evident by the Fathers turning His face away from His Sons's agony at the cross with the words of Jesus... "Father...why has thou forsaken me". Jesus must suffer in order that the creation can be saved.

There are three distinct events, as you pointed out. 1. The times before the flood, 2. time of the ark and 3. times after the flood.
That picture also represents mankind in 3 sets. If the number 6 is the number of a man than we have man represented 3 times. Or 666.
First 6 is man (Adam) created and lost. The second man (Jesus)6 is the second man formed who redeems mankind. And the third 6 is the New created (Adam), the new creature....as in born again creation.

The difference between the before and after, flood, is the redemption of the soul of mankind.
If mankind would accept Jesus as the object of their redemption, heaven can be realized yet while living in the flesh.

I'll leave you with the following verse that demonstrates how God works: Gen_41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

Blessings, AJ

Skwim · Mar 17, 2017

SlimsGhost said:
Actually, I understand how skeptics could twist the flood (or anything) to look like a failure, as easily as I can understand it (in my mind) as a success for the human race.

Consider that lots of wicked people were wiped out by the wrath of God, and these people were not the ones sinning after the flood. At any rate, later on God sent Jesus, partly to quench wrath with grace, which believers today live under.

The sin - then and now - comes from Satan, and God didn't destroy Satan with the flood - he destroyed the wicked people!

As a believer, this is how I see it as a success.

And what was the outcome? Just more wicked people!

As someone once pointed out:

Same ol' Same ol'.

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Skwim · Mar 17, 2017

look3467 said:
Hi, Skwim
My response:

That picture also represents mankind in 3 sets. If the number 6 is the number of a man than we have man represented 3 times. Or 666.
First 6 is man (Adam) created and lost. The second man (Jesus)6 is the second man formed who redeems mankind. And the third 6 is the New created (Adam), the new creature....as in born again creation.

FYI, the first 144 digits of pi add up to 666. How's that for coincidence. Kind of spooky

don't you think.

The difference between the before and after, flood, is the redemption of the soul of mankind.

Not saying there aren't any differences. For one thing, people today have flat screen TVs, but. . . . . .there's also the Same ol' Same ol'

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