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The Spirit that Raised Jesus

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URAVIP2ME

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lostwanderingsoul said:
Yes, the Bible discusses these things and it says Jesus is coming back to earth to rule over God's kingdom. There is nothing about anyone going to heaven.
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Jesus did call a ' little flock ' of his followers to govern in heaven with him over Earth. - Luke 22:28-30
They are also the saints or holy ones of Daniel chapter 7.
They are part of the first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6
The majority of people will have a happy-and-healthy future physical resurrection back to life on Earth.
That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that ' there is going to be ' a resurrection.....
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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I do not see the word heaven in Luke 22:28. God's kingdom will be on earth. Jesus plainly said he was cpming back to earth. Nothing in the Bible promises heaven to anyone.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
lostwanderingsoul said:
I do not see the word heaven in Luke 22:28. God's kingdom will be on earth. Jesus plainly said he was coming back to earth. Nothing in the Bible promises heaven to anyone.
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To me, Jesus does Not have to come back in a physical body, but keep his spirit body.
The 'words' from Jesus' mouth will execute the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16
God resurrected Jesus back to his pre-human spirit body. Jesus went to heaven in his spirit body - Hebrews 9:24

Didn't Jesus plainly say ' the world would see him No more ' according to John 14:19 ( Not physical seeing )
So, to me, Jesus is coming back, but Not a fleshly body coming back. - 1 Corinthians 15:50
Jesus' throne (seat of government) is in the heavens - Revelation 3:21
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
URAVIP2ME said:
Those resurrected to heaven - Luke 22:28-30 - are spirit sons, the saints or holy ones referenced at Daniel 7:18.
That does Not mean there will Not be earthly physical sons, as Adam was an earthly son - Luke 3:38
Adam did Not come from heaven, Adam did Not go to heaven but simply returned to dust - Genesis 3:19
To me, a person can Not 'return' to a place he never was before. Adam went back to where he started: dust.

I agree with you that the kingdom (God's kingdom of a thousand years) is Not of this earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
Being Not of this earth does Not mean it can Not govern over earth.
As Jesus is head of the Christian congregation today, and Jesus is Not here on earth but his governing power is.
Jesus, as king of God's kingdom, will govern from heaven over earth - Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14
Jesus will have earthly subjects or citizens on earth from sea to sea as he governs from the heavens.
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so...Jesus is wandering about.....
waiting to take a crown He said 'no' to....in the wilderness

not buying it

the kingdom is Not of this world
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Of Himself He did say.....brother and fellow servant

whenever someone would mention a crown.....He left
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Thief said:
so...Jesus is wandering about.....
waiting to take a crown He said 'no' to....in the wilderness
not buying it
the kingdom is Not of this world
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God's kingdom government is Not of this world of badness - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13
So, to me Jesus would Not accept a ' crown ' while on Earth - Psalm 110
However, the heavenly Jesus does - Revelation 6:2; Revelation 14:14; Revelation 19:11-13; Revelation 12:5,10.
Since the world will behold Jesus No more according to John 14:19, then Jesus' kingly position is heavenly.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
URAVIP2ME said:
God's kingdom government is Not of this world of badness - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13
So, to me Jesus would Not accept a ' crown ' while on Earth - Psalm 110
However, the heavenly Jesus does - Revelation 6:2; Revelation 14:14; Revelation 19:11-13; Revelation 12:5,10.
Since the world will behold Jesus No more according to John 14:19, then Jesus' kingly position is heavenly.
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of Himself ..He did say....
brother and fellow servant

I would not add to that

have no desire otherwise
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
lostwanderingsoul said:
Yes, the Bible discusses these things and it says Jesus is coming back to earth to rule over God's kingdom. There is nothing about anyone going to heaven.
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I believe you are correct in saying that there is nothing about going to Heaven but there is a laying up of treasure in Heaven which suggests that is available at some time.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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You know what. I can lay up treasure in a bank but I do not have to go to the bank to get it. I can write a check or use a debit card or have them mail me a money order. Just because my treasure is in Heaven does not mean I have to go there to get it. Jesus can bring it when He returns. Again, nothing in the Bible says people will go to Heaven.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Thief said:
He also turned down an offer on a global extent
(noted in previous post)
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Both global and also local extent while Jesus was on Earth - John 6:15
Jesus would have to sit at God's right hand before his enemies would come to their end. God is in Heaven.
- Psalms 110; Mark 12:36; Luke 20:42-43; Colossians 3:1
Because Jesus' ransom will remove sin (wrong doing) in the world, that would encompass the whole global Earth.
Jesus' kingly office rules Not from Earth, but from the Heavens - Psalms 2
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
lostwanderingsoul said:
You know what. I can lay up treasure in a bank but I do not have to go to the bank to get it. I can write a check or use a debit card or have them mail me a money order. Just because my treasure is in Heaven does not mean I have to go there to get it. Jesus can bring it when He returns. .
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Before Jesus' comes according to Ezekiel 7:19 and Zephaniah 1:18 people will throw their $$$$$$ in the streets.
So, to me, Jesus is Not going to bring any material worth back with him.
Jesus brings back words. Executional words from Jesus' mouth to destroy the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16
Thus, laying the foundation for the figurative ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37 to be part of the humble meek to inherit the Earth as Jesus' said at Matthew 5:5 in harmony with Psalms 37:10-11.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
URAVIP2ME said:
Both global and also local extent while Jesus was on Earth - John 6:15
Jesus would have to sit at God's right hand before his enemies would come to their end. God is in Heaven.
- Psalms 110; Mark 12:36; Luke 20:42-43; Colossians 3:1
Because Jesus' ransom will remove sin (wrong doing) in the world, that would encompass the whole global Earth.
Jesus' kingly office rules Not from Earth, but from the Heavens - Psalms 2
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yeah so...I do believe in hierarchy....
but I would reiterate....He said of Himself.....
brother and fellow servant
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Thief said:
yeah so...I do believe in hierarchy....
but I would reiterate....He said of Himself.....
brother and fellow servant
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I agree, and besides brother and fellow servant, Jesus is also given kingly authority now - Psalms 110
Jesus is King ( President ) of God's kingdom government for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
URAVIP2ME said:
I agree, and besides brother and fellow servant, Jesus is also given kingly authority now - Psalms 110
Jesus is King ( President ) of God's kingdom government for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
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He never wanted a crown on His head

If He calls me brother......it would be sooooooooooo much better

and I would serve at His side

equal authority?
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Thief said:
He never wanted a crown on His head
If He calls me brother......it would be sooooooooooo much better
and I would serve at His side
equal authority?
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Yes, agree 'equal authority' in the sense that Jesus' spiritual ' brothers ' of Matthew 25:40 are his brothers.
God is Not only the Father of His Son Jesus, but also Father of those ' brothers ' of verse 40.
Equal in that Jesus serves as King and Priest as also do his ' brothers ' according to Revelation 5:9-10
As kings they take care of governmental responsibilities for earthly subjects of God's kingdom - Psalms 72:8
As priests they take care of spiritual duties for earthly subjects of God's kingdom government.
Jesus and his brothers care for the figurative ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37
Those ' sheep ' are part of the humble meek which will inherit the Earth under Christ and his ' brothers ' serving at Jesus' side.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
URAVIP2ME said:
Yes, agree 'equal authority' in the sense that Jesus' spiritual ' brothers ' of Matthew 25:40 are his brothers.
God is Not only the Father of His Son Jesus, but also Father of those ' brothers ' of verse 40.
Equal in that Jesus serves as King and Priest as also do his ' brothers ' according to Revelation 5:9-10
As kings they take care of governmental responsibilities for earthly subjects of God's kingdom - Psalms 72:8
As priests they take care of spiritual duties for earthly subjects of God's kingdom government.
Jesus and his brothers care for the figurative ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37
Those ' sheep ' are part of the humble meek which will inherit the Earth under Christ and his ' brothers ' serving at Jesus' side.
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that you agree......
you will either have a crown on your head
and authority is negated by another.....
all pronouncement as equal


or no crowns at all
and authority is negated by brotherhood

either way.....
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
lostwanderingsoul said:
You know what. I can lay up treasure in a bank but I do not have to go to the bank to get it. I can write a check or use a debit card or have them mail me a money order. Just because my treasure is in Heaven does not mean I have to go there to get it. Jesus can bring it when He returns. Again, nothing in the Bible says people will go to Heaven.
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I believe people ten d to go where they want to go God permitting so this verse applies:
Mt 6:21 for where thy treasure is, there will thy heart be also.

As for me I see no purpose hanging around a dead body and hanging around the world when I can't be in it sounds like torment to me. Heaven is a much better alternative.
 
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