-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Meditation
- Thread starter Fool
- Start date
I mean, probably depends on the person and their belief on what meditation is. I'd venture to say even most people who do believe lotus is important aknowledge that there are people who meditate in different ways, even if they believe it might be less efficient.
Personally I don't believe meditation requires sitting in any position or even sitting, though I do believe that being on the move or having to be aware of your surroundings makes concentration more difficult.
Personally I don't believe meditation requires sitting in any position or even sitting, though I do believe that being on the move or having to be aware of your surroundings makes concentration more difficult.
I'm surprised this question is being asked. It is well known that it can.
I don't know, is it? I'm not an Abrahamic. Though off the cuff, it seems this would be relevant for any human being who finds the lotus position uncomfortable or who cannot sit in that position at all.
There are many different forms of meditation that can be accomplished with many different postures including sitting in a chair and walking.
The definition of meditation varies from person to person, sect to sect. Unless a definition is agreed upon somehow, people talk about different things.
The classical Patanjali or Tirumular ashtanga definition of dhyana (meditation) would say lotus is the best position of all positions, but not the only one. A straight spine, however, is necessary. Sitting cross-legged, half lotus, straight on a chair, or other hatha yoga positions with a straight spine would all be adequate or conducive as well.
I would go with no relevance to the Abrahamic systems other than perhaps a few rare mystic schools. Many, but not all Abrahamice will tell you meditation is of the devil, and say to avoid it.
muhammad was a practitioner. claimed that this is how he received the revelation of the qu'ran.I'm surprised this question is being asked. It is well known that it can.
I don't know, is it? I'm not an Abrahamic. Though off the cuff, it seems this would be relevant for any human being who finds the lotus position uncomfortable or who cannot sit in that position at all.
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Also standing and laying down
What is it you want to debate? I have no idea who Isaac is or what 'this includes chanting' is supposed to mean. The classical meditation I was referring to is in maunam.
elisha, like the whirling dervishes, used music.
dionysian mysteries
The Dionysian Mysteries were a ritual of ancient Greece and Rome which used intoxicants and other trance-inducing techniques (like dance and music) to remove inhibitions and social constraints, liberating the individual to return to a natural state.
Christianity has its own meditations, such as reading the Bible prayerfully, the Rosary, various chaplets and novenas. Our meditations are more about contemplation and dialogue with God. The aims and means are quite different from Eastern meditation, as it's popularly presented.
pray means literally to ask. in communication meditation is the act of listening
But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret(stillness/silence). And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
secret - inwardly
secret is a synonym for silence and so is to be still
“Be still, and know that I am God. I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth!” the dust of the earth.
silence is the 8th, the octave
8 When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
Yes, listen to receive personal revelations, but it's not emptying your mind or just sitting in observation.
to listen requires an opening of something that isn't full of itself.
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Christ is all and in all. Christ isn't excluded, or external of self.
That sounds like a form of Hinduism, not Christianity.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Mind(Spirit) saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
buddhist
Well-Known Member
Meditation in early Buddhism is defined strictly as the achievement of jhana, which is singleness or concentration of mind on one subject.
Jhana can be achieved in any position by experienced practitioners.
In Patanjali's yoga sutras, meditation is the 7th stage, and samadhi, the 8th stage, in which the state of jnana is maintained. I assume this is similar to Buddhism.
The 3 stages BEFORE meditation, or dhyana, are 6) dharana (concentration), 5) pratyahara (sense withdrawal), and 4) pranayama (controlled breathing). In common western terminology, 4, 5, and 6 could all be considered 'meditation;, which is fine, but its not the classical Hindu definition.
A summary of the 8 stages here: Learn the Eight Limbs of Yoga | Yoga Philosophy | Yoga for Beginners
Referring to them a limbs is common in neo-Hinduism, where its felt that aspirants can jump about to any of the 8, but in classical Hinduism, they are progressive stages, and mastery of each preceding stage in order is considered necessary.
All the other stuff like walking, japa, floating around, is something else entirely.
So its tough to have a discussion given the differences in paradigms and resulting differences in terminology.
The 3 stages BEFORE meditation, or dhyana, are 6) dharana (concentration), 5) pratyahara (sense withdrawal), and 4) pranayama (controlled breathing). In common western terminology, 4, 5, and 6 could all be considered 'meditation;, which is fine, but its not the classical Hindu definition.
A summary of the 8 stages here: Learn the Eight Limbs of Yoga | Yoga Philosophy | Yoga for Beginners
Referring to them a limbs is common in neo-Hinduism, where its felt that aspirants can jump about to any of the 8, but in classical Hinduism, they are progressive stages, and mastery of each preceding stage in order is considered necessary.
All the other stuff like walking, japa, floating around, is something else entirely.
So its tough to have a discussion given the differences in paradigms and resulting differences in terminology.