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Atheism vs religion which bird is a better bird?

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Yes we do. Intelligence refers to intellectual functioning, and is independent of what it's applied to. As one of my psych profs once said half in jest: "Intelligence is what intelligence test measure."


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To properly establish this scientifically you would need a randomised control trial.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I don't know. There's some very alternative Christians and very conservative atheists...

I'd really struggle to find any criteria to distinguish one group from the other.
As those of us those of us who are not totally normal are inclined to do thus my post!!! That's why I spend lots of my free time out hiking the oregon coasts hills and coastline!!! Seagulls sometimes make way more sense!!
 
They are actually two wings of the same bird!

Science and religion are the two wings of one bird. Both must be equally strong for the bird to fly: “Religion and science are the two wings upon which man’s intelligence can soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not possible to fly with one wing alone!” (`Abdu’l-Bahá, Paris Talks, pg. 143).

Science, Religion, and the Bahá'í Faith | The Huffington Post
People don't need wings to fly. We have several ways of doing that already, compliments of SCIENCE.

Which technologies has religion given us again?
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yes we do. Intelligence refers to intellectual functioning, and is independent of what it's applied to. As one of my psych profs once said half in jest: "Intelligence is what intelligence test measure."
Half jest? It's because he was a PhD.!! Kinda hard to suddenly tell the kids" ignore me , my phd is nonsense trust me I am an expert, I have a phd!!! Although THAT would be a pretty interesting prof!!!

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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
We don't know that for certain. It would be extremely hard to prove or disprove scientifically.
I'll save you some time:
Scientifically there has never been a link established between religious views and intelligence. Myself, I didn't become more intelligent when I left Christianity, my IQ didn't automatically go up, but being allowed to have exposure to other sources of information did allow me to better understand the world, better articulate myself, and construct better arguments. The only thing that changed was a desertion of Conservative/Fundamental beliefs.
But, interestingly, one thing statistics and science does reveal is that among scientists, especially natural scientists, the bulk, over-whelming majority are atheist/agnostic. So we definitely do have a correlation between religiousness and the study of science, and though I'm not sure if it has been actually studied, but it does appear there is likely to be some degree of causation between the study and careers of science (in other words, learning about the natural world and making it your job to learn about it) and the lack of religiousness. Much how we see Conservative views becoming less common with the more years of education someone has achieved.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Atheism and religion are, in many ways, polar opposites. They're not complimentary, nor do they have comparable functions. In fact, atheism, per se, has no function at all.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Scientifically there has never been a link established between religious views and intelligence

My point was that it would be extremely difficult to prove it and there would be no conclusive proof either way.

Myself, I didn't become more intelligent when I left Christianity, my IQ didn't automatically go up, but being allowed to have exposure to other sources of information did allow me to better understand the world, better articulate myself, and construct better arguments. The only thing that changed was a desertion of Conservative/Fundamental beliefs.

It sounds like the change has been a positive one for you. I find people with extreme and antagonist views difficult whether they are atheist or religious. I think if religion makes people intolerant and hateful they are better off without it.

But, interestingly, one thing statistics and science does reveal is that among scientists, especially natural scientists, the bulk, over-whelming majority are atheist/agnostic.

This is a question that can be answered scientifically by simply surveying those we would consider scientists and ask them about their beliefs.

Check this out.

It's a big, fat myth that all scientists are religion-hating atheists

However this link would support your view as it applies to America.

Scientists and Belief

I am not from the USA and I find it disturbing that so many Christians in this country have such literal views of the bible.

Much how we see Conservative views becoming less common with the more years of education someone has achieved.

Education is the key and many in will leave Christianity as they have done in my country. However I believe the need for religion will be become apparent again, but the teachings must provide assistance for humanity during this challenging era of history.
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I wish I knew why people keep presenting "atheism vs religion" as if it were a real choice.

It isn't. It has never been, and ought to never be.

There is nothing whatsoever wrong nor unadvisable with atheism. And any religion worth its salt will not have any problem with atheism either.
 
I don't think that's really fair - just as science is not meant to tell us the meaning of life, religion cannot be expected to provide us with useful things...

And if there was such a thing as a 'meaning of life', would you expect it to come to us via rational, structured investigation, or by falling flat on your face and singing praises to bronze age bogeymen?
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Atheists view of religion. Old folks on old technology old science antiquated and dangerous.
Maybe. Some talk like they see it that way, but talk is cheap. A buyer will sometimes yell something is worthless until they get it home.
Next, religions view of atheists as immoral science is God fanatics that do unnatural acts.
Sometimes. What we have is a world of frightened girls looking for meaning, and half of them are men.
 

allfoak

Alchemist
Atheists view of religion. Old folks on old technology old science antiquated and dangerous.




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Next, religions view of atheists as immoral science is God fanatics that do unnatural acts. Not natural for Harleys to do that so it must be immoral!! And unfriendly as well.
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I really don't like either choice.
I change my beliefs when warranted, the only filter I have, is reason, jntuition and my own honesty.
I am a seeker and an alchemist, neither of which require dogma, just a desire to know.
 
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