allfoak
Alchemist
I do not deny that it happens in the mind.
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Don't Fear the Reaper
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allfoak
Alchemist
It is a good thing i do not rely on such things.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
It is a good thing. Science was never meant to do your thinking for you, even though some people treat it that way.
Deathbydefault
Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Decomposition. The person you are is utterly annihilated, upon death, as well.
How do I know this? It can be observed.
Science says a lot about death, but nothing about a mystical afterlife or magical personality preservation.
Nothing that's accepted through consensus, anyways.
As a near Death experienced, i can attest to
an awareness of self after being confirmed Dead ...
Brain Dead for 4 days in my case, body kept alive in the hope i would be a transplant donor .
an awareness of self after being confirmed Dead ...
Brain Dead for 4 days in my case, body kept alive in the hope i would be a transplant donor .
arthra
Baha'i
The article sourced in the introductory remarks regarding the Baha'i view of life after death is accurate.
See:
Bahá'í Faith on life after death - Wikipedia
I would only add here a few remarks... Baha'is don't believe the soul "incarnates" in the body... Consider the definition of "incarnate".. "embodied in flesh; in human form".
The soul in our belief is from the spiritual world and becomes "associated" with the body.
When the body is decomposed or no longer functioning the soul returns to the spiritual world in a higher place or more exalted level than it had when it was associated with the body. The soul "ascends" to the spiritual worlds and progresses eventually to the highest state we call being in the presence of God.
Closing with a few references:
The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother."
Before a child is born, its whole world is the womb of its mother. It has no idea of the world waiting outside into which it will be born. It is the same with this, material, world. The next, spiritual, world surrounds us but we are unable to understand this until the spirit leaves this world and is born into the next.
"Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving-kindness and bounty."
Also:
As to the soul', writes Bahá'u'lláh, `... it is sent forth by the Word of God';[42] and `Abdu'l-Bahá says that the soul is `a spirit with which God has endowed him [man] at creation';[43] it is `... a depository, emanating from the light of the Ancient Entity -- God',[44] `It is a divine bounty. It is the effulgence of the Sun of Reality',[45] suggesting that the soul is a spiritual entity created by God through emanation.
The Eternal Quest for God: Chapter 8
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
For me when your dead that's it, its over, you will never be again, its like when a light bulb blows, its finished, the electricity that lite the bulb is still there, it goes nowhere.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
This is the crux of the issue, however. Even if these "things" are real - are the supernatural reaching out - what "practical use" does it have? The clocks all stopping at once... what purpose did it serve? To make for a good story? Is the ultimate practicality of investigations into these things an attempt to communicate with those who have passed? And at that point are we not tampering with something that has been ordained by fate to be a certain way for eons passed? Much like one might argue that we should not tamper with genetics. How would this be any different? Proof of the afterlife? Again - what practical purpose does this knowledge serve? Comfort? For some I'd wager it would pose danger. Killing yourself would no longer come with an unknown component - people might start offing themselves in droves to get to "the next level". Don't get me wrong - I do not believe in the supernatural., and so I certainly do not see the point in pursuing it. But I wonder at those who do - because I don't believe they have thought it through to a full extent.
allfoak
Alchemist
I have not only thought it through but have also broken through.
There would be no investigation into understanding these things for most, apart from having these experiences.
They serve as a catalyst.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
And what practical use does this serve? A "catalyst"? Of what? Understanding? Understanding what? Can you apply the knowledge to your daily life? If so, what do you feel you have gained?
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Science has a lot to say about what happens when we die-how we think, what our bodies go through, and so forth. Science says nothing about life after death.
Think about it logically and simplify it.
Why do you think you will be alive tomorrow?
What brought you to the conclusions you will be alive tomorrow?
Are those conclusions based on facts or beliefs?
If facts, do expand...
If beliefs, our beliefs change a dime or dozen. People fear the "possibility" of death; what happens " if " they didn't follow the creator, correctly, how they will be judged " if " they didn't have enough faith.
Science just says "we die. This is what happens when we die. This is how you can cope with dying. This is how our environment reflects your death (and visa versa)." People put the extra on there so they dont fear the reaper.
Fear is a natural reaction. Many religions if not most are there to help with that fear whether saying our origin will live on to future generations, focus on "as if this day was your last" type of thing, or give the believer something to look forward to in the future.
Satan lied to Eve when he told her; "You certainly will not die." (Genesis 3:4) I believe Satan and other wicked spirits who sinned against God are responsible for these paranormal events. At times, these demons pretend to be dead loved ones, to perpetuate Satan's false claim that we do not really die. I believe that is why Jehovah strongly condemns "anyone who inquires of the dead." (Deuteronomy 18:11)
allfoak
Alchemist
A literal view of the scripture is not sustainable.
Telling people that visits from their dead relatives are demonic is void of empathy and shows a complete lack of understanding of the scripture.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
That's because there is no evidence that there is life after death. It's just made up nonsense.
allfoak
Alchemist
Saying that science has no evidence of life after death is accurate.
Saying it is made up nonsense is not.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
Certainly it is. If you have no evidence it exists, how else did you come to that conclusion?