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A Word About the Nephilim

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ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> for some people use the babylonian legends to falsify the book of genesis
so have faith in the words of god


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godbless
unto all always
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
ukok102nak said:
~;> actually the babylonian legend doesn't match up the genesis version of the holy scripture
so why dont you trust the words of god and dont rely on some hearsay if we may say so
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Well, your mind is not prepared to work with metaphorical language. I have nothing else to say because, Ezra takes nothing literal about the Nephilim.
As the Nephelim are concerned, the literal has nothing to do with the word of God which was rather on the metaphorical use in the mind of Ezra.
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
Ben Avraham said:
Well, your mind is not prepared to work with metaphorical language. I have nothing else to say because, Ezra takes nothing literal about the Nephilim.
As the Nephelim are concerned, the literal has nothing to do with the word of God which was rather on the metaphorical use in the mind of Ezra.
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~;> read again our post #27
and compare your post from our writtings
there

also
perhaps your kind of thinkin is not ready for any spiritual thoughts
coz your just basing your own opinion unto one book prepared by ezra itself
and
not searching all the written words in the
whole scripture

thats why
again until now you cant even answer our simple question
:read:
whats is the difference between
the writtings in
Ezra2
13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.

FROM THIS WRITTINGS
Nehemiah7
18 The children of Adonikam, six hundred threescore and seven.


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godbless
unto all always
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
ukok102nak said:
~;> read again our post #27
and compare your post from our writtings
there

also
perhaps your kind of thinkin is not ready for any spiritual thoughts
coz your just basing your own opinion unto one book prepared by ezra itself
and
not searching all the written words in the
whole scripture

thats why
again until now you cant even answer our simple question
:read:
whats is the difference between
the writtings in
Ezra2
13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.

FROM THIS WRITTINGS
Nehemiah7
18 The children of Adonikam, six hundred threescore and seven.
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Now, you are talking nonsense! Look for something that can build you up spiritually in the Tanach and we
can discuss it with spiritual "gusto." Otherwise, we will only be wasting our time.
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> nonsense as what you've thought
to interpret somethin
from the writtings of ezra
as it is somekind of
"made your own version"
of genesis6

Now, your telling us about how you talked
like a prophet
where you've made your point from your
metaphorical language
when it seems your Looking for something that can build you up spiritually in the Tanach
without the guidance of what is good and
cannot lie

and we
can discuss it with spiritual "gusto."
and discussing it
we shall
without intellectual fraud
literally and spiritually
for
This was not as we had hoped,
(we only want to gave you
somethin to remember
thats why
we've mentioned our particular
post #27)

but first
(remember this also
though there are some certain things
to be unfamiliar with
even within the rightful manner of
askin like
whats is the difference between
the writtings in
Ezra2
13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.
FROM THIS WRITTINGS
Nehemiah7
18 The children of Adonikam, six hundred threescore and seven.
therefore learn
what is this all about
Otherwise,
we will only be wasting our time.,
coz
somehow we
cant post this sensible question
if there are no writtings
coming from any scripture)
as they say
they gave their own selves to the Lord, and to us through the will of God.
so let us
not go beyond the words of god
if we may say so


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godbless
unto all always

Ben Avraham said:
Now, you are talking nonsense!7
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
ukok102nak said:
~;> nonsense as what you've thought
to interpret somethin
from the writtings of ezra
as it is somekind of
"made your own version"
of genesis6
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Again, Ezra made use of the Babylonian legend about the Nephilim to explain his struggle to solve the problem with
ritbolelut among the Jews during exile in Babylon. Somehow he placed the text in Genesis 6 just prior to the Flood
to compare the spiritual condition of the Jews in Babylon with the sinful condition of Mankind prior to the Flood. How
could I ever make that any easier for you to understand?
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
When you confuse speculation, no matter how informed, with fact, and the presume to to instruct others about your imagined certainties you lose credibility and justifiably so.
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I would lose credibility if I was trying to explain to you something in your Scriptures aka the NT. But for a Jew to explain the Tanach which was the gospel of Jesus, there is no loss of credibility.
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
ukok102nak said:
~;> actually the babylonian legend doesn't match up the genesis version of the holy scripture so why dont you trust the words of god and dont rely on some hearsay if we may say so.
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Maybe but, it does match the struggles that Ezra went through to deal with the children of God who had mix-married with the daughters of pagan men in Babylon. Many of those women had to return even with their children for having their husbands got impressed with the speeches of Ezra about hitbolelut. Now, why Ezra interpolated that legend into Genesis just between the 6th and 7th chapters, it beats me! Perhaps because of the Flood about to start? Still beats me as I agree with you that indeed it does not match up with Genesis
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
RabbiO said:
It must be that there durn Logic that the feller keeps sayin' he's
usin'. Mebbe that there Logic thing got plum wore out and he needs to get a new one.
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Or maybe @Ben Avraham, who characterizes my Scripture as "aka the NT," doesn't realize that I'm Jewish. His powers of discernment are truly remarkable. :)
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
George-ananda said:
Here is something from left field. I am more and more thinking our mainstream understanding of human history is dramatically simplistic and incomplete. I think there may well have been extra-terrestrial interventions forwarding the evolution of the human race. And that there were multiple types of human species too until the manipulation collapsed it to one species. This opens up additional theories on the Nephilim story.

My appreciation of the more complex human history has been fostered lately by reading some channeled sources I have come to respect. (perhaps farther in left field, alien involvement is continuing to this day through abductions and genetic hybrid manipulations)
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Dear George,
From your identifying picture, I would have to say, there must have been some kind of manipulation involved.
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
rusra02 said:
The nephilim were the hybrid offspring of disobedient angels and human women. (Genesis 6:2,4) There is no Scriptural reason to conclude otherwise, IMO. Moses evidently recorded Genesis.
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What about the other references about giants? Are they nephilim also? If so, they are after the flood, so the flood didn't get rid of them. So are bad angels still "making it" with human women?
 
rusra02

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
CG Didymus said:
What about the other references about giants? Are they nephilim also? If so, they are after the flood, so the flood didn't get rid of them. So are bad angels still "making it" with human women?
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I believe Jehovah ended these unnatural unions by destroying the Nephilim and their mothers in the Deluge. He also punished the angels who sinned with "eternal bonds in dense [spiritual] darkness for the judgment of the great day." (Jude 6, 2 Peter 2:4)
This apparently prevents them from taking on human form. Unusually large humans born after the flood are not Nephilim.
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
Ben Avraham said:
Maybe but, it does match the struggles that Ezra went through to deal with the children of God who had mix-married with the daughters of pagan men in Babylon. Many of those women had to return even with their children for having their husbands got impressed with the speeches of Ezra about hitbolelut. Now, why Ezra interpolated that legend into Genesis just between the 6th and 7th chapters, it beats me! Perhaps because of the Flood about to start? Still beats me as I agree with you that indeed it does not match up with Genesis
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... . as this guy samuel23 says,
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Folks I realize that this is not a critical issue, however I hear so much about the giants in the bible being the offspring of angels and humans...THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT. There were two declarations made, one was that there were giants in the earth in those days...STOP... the other was that when the sons of God(angels) took the daughters of men that they bore men of great ability. Two things that it is describing, one is giants, who were before and after the flood, the other is a hybrid between an angel and a human that only appeared before the flood. Think please, for a five foot six inch ,130 pound woman, to produce a ten foot eight hundred pound man, that would mean that her husband had to be fifteen feet tall and weigh fourteen hundred pounds. It would be like trying to cross a male mastiff with a female wiener dog. First the sex act is not gonna happen and even if it did the wiener dog would die way before birth time...same with a human woman trying to have a sixty pound baby...not going to happen. The offspring of women and angels were normal in height and weight but built with incredible strength and speed and toughness. The giants are kind of a mystery since they were before and after the flood and I have never been able to trace their ancestors with any success.


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godbless unto all always
 
MHz

MHz

Member
Ben Avraham said:
A Word About the Nephilim

I have an either-or response to the text about the Nephilim. First, when Ezra, the most famous Scribe in the History of Israel organized the Tanach into the Canon when still in Babylon, he found, for some reason useful to add the text about the Nephilim in Genesis 6, just prior to the Flood to illustrate the condition of Mankind by then. The text existed already as a folkloric legend in Babylon literature.

On the other hand, the text could be looked at as mix-marriages between the children of God with the daughters of man, expressions very common when Ezra was dealing with the struggle to solve the problem with the fact that thousands of Jews had married non-Jewish women in Babylon and that was making extremely difficult for Ezra to establish the second Jewish Commonwealth in the post-exilic era after the 70 years in Babylon. IMHO, I go for the second interpretation because
it makes much more sense.
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You might want to read the Book of Jude as it is all about the fallen angels of Ge:6 and the ones in Revelations. That is why that short book is even there, to explain just who they were.
 
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