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New percentages of Americans that are Christian

Koldo

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Father Heathen said:
Unless I misunderstood, you suggested that the percentage should be lower because some people don't consider certain demonstrations "real" christians, or that frequency of church attendance determines how "real" a christian someone is. My point was that if intend to toss crap like that into the equation, you have to establish what your criteria for "christian" is beforehand, otherwise such statistics are useless.
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Riders said:
If Christians choose not to count( I'm not saying I'm counting it this way I'm saying if) Universal Christians, Jehovahs Witnesses Mormons and QUakers are counted then its 70 percent if not 65 percent. That's only a 5 percent difference, how am I illuminating most Christians with only a 5 percent difference?
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Has the misunderstanding been cleared up ?
 
Cephus

Cephus

Relentlessly Rational
metis said:
I wouldn't go that far as I do know some who do take compassion and justice seriously, but then maybe you were just posting tongue-in-cheek?
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Not at all. Having to do what Jesus said all the time is difficult, some might even say impossible to do. So if that's the standard to be a Christian, then there would be few, if any Christians around.
 
DragonHawk1959

DragonHawk1959

Member
Riders said:
I keep hearing Christians quote 77 to 8 percent of AMericans so I wanted to bring this us. If you llook WIkis actual recent count its 70 percent and actually its lower then that.

It includes people and churches that most mainline church dont consider to be Christian. It includes Mormons, jehovahs Witnesses,, Universal Christian church and also Quakers, the last 2 don't require belief in jesus as God. Actually the real percentages maybe 65 percent or lower. If you don't count those churches.

Truthfully I have a sister who doesn't believe Catholics are Christian and some here don't either, take them off and the percentage is way lower.

Also the percentages for church attendance isn't 45 or 50 percent like some think. 45 percent covers people who claim to go once a year on Christmas. For people who really go regular its more like 20 to 25 percent.
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One Christian leadership site is putting regular church attendance (defined as weekly) as low as 17.8%.
And the percentage of Americans identifying as Christian us roughly 67.8%, according to some sources. Most of the remaining 32.2% identify as: "spiritual, but not religious."

7 Startling Facts: An Up Close Look at Church Attendance in America • ChurchLeaders.com
 
Riders

Riders

Well-Known Member
Yes and spiritual. An still include churches like the uu church and Buddhism and spiritual atheism thanks for shedding light on the stats that makes sense
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Riders said:
I keep hearing Christians quote 77 to 8 percent of AMericans so I wanted to bring this us. If you llook WIkis actual recent count its 70 percent and actually its lower then that.

It includes people and churches that most mainline church dont consider to be Christian. It includes Mormons, jehovahs Witnesses,, Universal Christian church and also Quakers, the last 2 don't require belief in jesus as God. Actually the real percentages maybe 65 percent or lower. If you don't count those churches.

Truthfully I have a sister who doesn't believe Catholics are Christian and some here don't either, take them off and the percentage is way lower.

Also the percentages for church attendance isn't 45 or 50 percent like some think. 45 percent covers people who claim to go once a year on Christmas. For people who really go regular its more like 20 to 25 percent.
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From the inside, all the groups tend to point to the other groups and say "they are not TRUE Christians". So by that measure, there are "0" Christians. From the outside, you have to just assume that anyone who says they are qualifies as one since there is no universal standard to judge by. In fact, even within a given group, when one person "falls away" or does something despicable in their eyes, then they will invariably say that that person "wasn't a true believer". So what are ya gonna do?????

Counts of atheists are also squishy for different reasons.
 
Talmai

Talmai

Member
It might seem irrelevant to many of you but I think the standard for who is a Christian is according to the Church. Christians are baptized people whose faith is that of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.
 
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Riders said:
I keep hearing Christians quote 77 to 8 percent of AMericans so I wanted to bring this us. If you llook WIkis actual recent count its 70 percent and actually its lower then that.

It includes people and churches that most mainline church dont consider to be Christian. It includes Mormons, jehovahs Witnesses,, Universal Christian church and also Quakers, the last 2 don't require belief in jesus as God. Actually the real percentages maybe 65 percent or lower. If you don't count those churches.

Truthfully I have a sister who doesn't believe Catholics are Christian and some here don't either, take them off and the percentage is way lower.

Also the percentages for church attendance isn't 45 or 50 percent like some think. 45 percent covers people who claim to go once a year on Christmas. For people who really go regular its more like 20 to 25 percent.
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Using that logic there are no Christians.
Anywhere.
 
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Talmai said:
It might seem irrelevant to many of you but I think the standard for who is a Christian is according to the Church. Christians are baptized people whose faith is that of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.
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And here I thought that it would be God who decided who was and who was not as well as who is and who is not Christian...
 
Riders

Riders

Well-Known Member
SO after all that my thinking is no one here is going by or using the statistics? I'm fine with that , but if your gonna do that it would be false to fall back on old statistics from a decade ago. I keep seeing Christians quote 77 and 80 percent as statistics, the old ones from a decade ago. I guess yall aren't gonna fall back on Statistics then which is ok.

But if you do use them the official says 70 percent, just remember that if your using official statistics.
 
Vancouversailor

Vancouversailor

Member
In Norway where I lived for most of my life everyone is by birth considered to be a member of the Church of Norway, a Lutheran denomination. As a result the official number of Christians in that country is listed as well over 90 percent. However, surveys indicate that the majority of the population might get baptized, married and eventually buried by the church, but rarely attend more than one to two sermons a year. The majority of the population believes in some kind of afterlife, specifically what might be called heaven, but only a tiny percentage - less than 10 percent - believe there is a hell. There will be some disruptions to these statistics due to the large number of muslims who have entered the country, mostly as refugees, in recent years. However, the number of native Norwegians who choose to convert to Islam is as minute as the number of muslims who choose to abandon their faith so they remain as two very separate communities..
 
Riders

Riders

Well-Known Member
lovesong said:
I don't mean this is any negative kind of way, but is English your first language? I only ask because it can often be hard to understand what you're trying to say because of spelling and grammatical errors.
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Well I only see one spelling mistake. However sense its bad enough it looks like I don't speak English well. I will check it. .You didn't give me a list of all my bad spelling mistakes so I will check each word through the dictionary today and so I won't make the same mistakes.

I do have a spell check I guess its not working.
 
Riders

Riders

Well-Known Member
Riders said:
No I said my sister looks at it that way,it snot 77 percent..Its 70 percent for all of it, if you consider universalist Christians and Quakers who don't believe Jesus is God as Christian then its 70. I'm just saying you Christians always say you have to believe Jesus as God but whatever, if you count them its 70, if not 65 whichever way you want to count it I don't care.

But it is not 77 or 80 percent, its 70 percent including churches that don't believe Jesus as God 65 percent or less not including them.
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I see one spelling mistake and 2 punctuation mistakes here here I didn't space. However sense there are so many dramatic spelling mistakes like Love song said Ill have to put every word in dictionary. Ill get back to you and let you know all the spelling mistakes I made.
 
lovesong

lovesong

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Premium Member
Dude, chill out. I'm not pointing out every spelling and grammar mistake you've ever made; I don't have the time, and I'm really not that kind of *******. I just asked you a question, you answered it, now let it go.
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Talmai said:
It might seem irrelevant to many of you but I think the standard for who is a Christian is according to the Church. Christians are baptized people whose faith is that of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.
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Did you not read what others have written here? Or what I posted in # 8 on page one?

A LOT of People that the churches are claiming are Christian members, - aren't.

I am an example of this. I was baptized Christian, - by my parents, - and I do not believe in the religions of Abraham.

I am not Christian, - even though I am on one of their lists.

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Cephus

Cephus

Relentlessly Rational
Ingledsva said:
Did you not read what others have written here? Or what I posted in # 8 on page one?

A LOT of People that the churches are claiming are Christian members, - aren't.

I am an example of this. I was baptized Christian, - by my parents, - and I do not believe in the religions of Abraham.

I am not Christian, - even though I am on one of their lists.

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Keep in mind that groups like the Mormons retroactively baptize dead people and they claim those are members of their sects too. I'm sure I'm still on someone's list, even though I haven't been a Christian in more than 35 years.
 
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