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Jesus , Krishna- which of the two is the supreme-god?

Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
jtartar said:
paarsurrey,
Neither Jesus nor Krishna was or is the Supreme God.
Jesus, the Christ, was the son of the Almighty God.
Jesus is called a god, the same was true of the rulers of the Jews, Isaiah 9:6, Psalms 82:1,6,7.
At John 10:31-36, Jesus was making the point that they, the rulers of the Jewish people were called gods, and they were going to stone Jesus, because he said that he was the son of God.
Jesus asked his disciples who the people were saying that the son of ma is, Peter answered that he was the Christ, the son of The living God. Jesusthen said that flesh and blood did not reveal that to him, but his Father who is in heaven did, Matthew 16:13-17. Jesus said that God was his God and your God, my Father and your Father, John 20:17. At John 17:3, Jesus said in prayer, that it means eternal life, taking in knowledge of the only true God, and the one that He sent to earth.
Many Bible translators use the same word, in the Christian Greek Scriptures, to refer to both Jesus and God, which makes it difficult at times to know which one the writer was referring to, when they use lord for both.
The Almighty God has many names in the Bible, but all but one were, Proper Adjectives, while God's personal name, Proper Name is YHWH, in Hebrew, and Jehovah in English. This name was in the Original Autographs over 7,000 times, which means to me that God wanted His name known and spoken often. The Jews, because of superstition, thought that God's personal name was too sacred to be spoken by imperfect lips, they stopped speaking His name and The Name's actual pronunciation was lost.
This God is the God that created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them, Acts 17:24-28. God says thatHeis a jealous God, that all should worship only Him, Exodus 34:14. He says thatHe will kill all other, called gods, and all who worship them, Jeremiah 10:11-15, Psalms 115:1-8. Isaiah 44:6.
When God put Adam and Eve on earth He had a purpose, and that purpose has not changed, Isaiah 45:18, Genesis 1:26-28, Isaiah 14:24-26, 55:11.
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I believe you are incorrect. There is a great deal of evidence from the Bible that Jesus is God in the flesh.

I believe that means He is God.

I believe that never happens because there is only one.
 
G

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
Aupmanyav said:
Respect where respect is deserved. Exclusive religions do not deserve respect. They are the source of evil. Calling spade a spade.
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You speak of exclusion, whilst expressing an attitude of exclusion. Your hypocrisy is well noted, yet again.

You're right though, respect where respect is deserved. And this exchange has lead me to the conclusion that your views aren't worth much at all.
 
Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
paarsurrey said:
"Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, not the supreme-god."

So, one thinks that Jesus is not the Supreme God.
Then who is the Supreme God of Jesus? Please
Regards
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Jesus is the savior of mankind, so could be seen as supremely important for us humans;
but the Lord of All Creation, would be infinitely more than this.
The Lord of All Creation may even perhaps be seen to be a somewhat impersonal Deist concept:
Supreme over all.
Even Jesus may only be sometimes involved with us humans.
The Bible also speaks of 'The Helper' who I reckon fills the gap between Jesus and Sinners who seek redemption.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Jonathan Ainsley Bain said:
Jesus is the savior of mankind, so could be seen as supremely important for us humans;
but the Lord of All Creation, would be infinitely more than this.
The Lord of All Creation may even perhaps be seen to be a somewhat impersonal Deist concept:
Supreme over all.
Even Jesus may only be sometimes involved with us humans.
The Bible also speaks of 'The Helper' who I reckon fills the gap between Jesus and Sinners who seek redemption.
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I believe God is never less God because of where He is and what He is doing.
 
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divine lover

New Member
To me they both realized fully they were part of God and could also have a relationship with God, as they are part and not the whole as the Sun ray is to the Sun. The Sun's nature is to shine and the rays of the sun are dependent and have no existence of their own, however if we don't realize what we are and we focus on the shadows cast by the ego we are in suffering. Shadows are illusions, realized beings have woken up to what they are. It is the ego that is standing in our way.
Romans 8:14 King James Version
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
paarsurrey said:
So, Krishna was born much earlier than Jesus. If Krishna had made Law of Gravitation and the Universe was already working on it, what did Jesus do about it? Please
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This is so absurd.

I think it is a joke that the Ahmadis accepted Jesus and Krishna as "prophets", when you have just basically insulted people of both religions with your ridiculous and hypocritical idea.

If you are going to insult Christianity and Hinduism, then Ahmadiyya teachings should say they are their prophets too.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
divine lover said:
To me they both realized fully they were part of God and could also have a relationship with God, as they are part and not the whole as the Sun ray is to the Sun. The Sun's nature is to shine and the rays of the sun are dependent and have no existence of their own, however if we don't realize what we are and we focus on the shadows cast by the ego we are in suffering. Shadows are illusions, realized beings have woken up to what they are. It is the ego that is standing in our way.
Romans 8:14 King James Version
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
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I believe God does not have parts , that He is one. The fact that He is everywhere may seem like parts but He still exists as a unit no matter where He is.

I believe Jesus does not have a relationship with God because He is God. Krishna may not even have a relationship with God .

I believe this is a poor analogy because there is no oneness in the sun's rays.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Aupmanyav said:
You are right, Parsurrey. Seriously, the Law of Gravity did not exist before Krishna's time. He made it.
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I can believe Krishna recognized the law of gravity but it is God who created it and Jesus as God gets the pre-emince over Krishna in this also.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Aupmanyav said:
If any other God can create the Laws of Gravity, why not a Hindu God? The Lord appeared as Krishna 5,119 year ago, as Rama 869,119 years ago, and in six other forms even before that. It is not that Laws of Gravity were created yesterday.
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I believe it is cool that these guys existed a long time ago but the fact is they still have to be evident as God in order to be considered God. I do not see that happening.
 
Vinayaka

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Vaishnavite Hindus should believe Krishna is Supreme God/manifestation, etc.
Christians should believe Jesus is Supreme God/manifestation, etc.

If not, then perhaps either side should be looking at themselves a tad more closely.
 
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