McBell
Resident Sourpuss
What makes you think he isn't?
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Let us pray for Donald Trump
- Thread starter Spiderman
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And do you really suppose God will withhold that grace without a whole bunch of people praying for him?
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Prayer puts the grace of God in motion. Yes, I do believe that our prayers for him will make a difference.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
— Romans 13:1
Jesus answered [speaking to Pilate], “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.”
— John 19:11
By me kings reign…
— Proverbs 8:15
…he removes kings, and sets up kings…
— Daniel 2:21
Then God removed Saul and made David their king…
— Acts 13:22
No one … can exalt themselves. It is God who judges: He brings one down, he exalts another.
— Psalms 75:6-7
…the Most High has power over human kingdoms. He gives them to whomever he wishes.
— Daniel 4:17
— Romans 13:1
Jesus answered [speaking to Pilate], “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.”
— John 19:11
By me kings reign…
— Proverbs 8:15
…he removes kings, and sets up kings…
— Daniel 2:21
Then God removed Saul and made David their king…
— Acts 13:22
No one … can exalt themselves. It is God who judges: He brings one down, he exalts another.
— Psalms 75:6-7
…the Most High has power over human kingdoms. He gives them to whomever he wishes.
— Daniel 4:17
I hope you will forgive me for pointing out, though, that to the non-believer like myself, this is indistinguishable from trying to make our will into God's will, rather than simply letting God's will prevail. It is, after all, exceedingly unlikely to me that omniscience would need to reminded of anything, or that omnipotent omniscience could be persuaded to alter course.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
He might be
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Throughout Scripture it talks about the power of prayer. For whatever reason, prayer can yield great results.
James 5:16 Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The earnest prayer of a righteous person has great power and produces wonderful results."
When you say "can yield great results," that of course doesn't give me any examples that I can examine. I can demonstrate (and there's a lot of science literature to back me up) that meditation and other forms of mental "self-belief" activity that do not involve prayer can have positive effects on a person's physiological health. Not so far as to grow back a limb, a finger or an eye, to be sure, but to do things like lower blood pressure, cope with pain so forth, sure.
There have also been studies that demonstrate that "intercessory prayer" (google that) is essentially useless. So I guess I'm not really sure what it is you mean.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I mean in Scripture prayer yielded great results
Riders
Well-Known Member
Blessed be.May the Gods and Godesses and Mother nature guide his way and tell him the right way to be. Dear Ra Sun God, help him to tell the truth about not being an actual Christian, and help him to tell the truth about the other lies hes told.
May he be guided to lead our country into virtue and freedom, by the Gods and Godesses.Amen.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Thank you! May the gods reward you!
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
huh?
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Pray to your gods
I've heard this phrase used a lot, although I have to wonder: Does the actual "power" come from the praying itself, or does it come from God?
I remember talking to a co-worker whose religion is Hinduism, and he was telling me about how he was part of a group who was trying to use meditation and direct their mental energies to cure someone's cancer. I never found out whether it worked or not.
There was also someone else I know whose uncle was seriously ill and was near death. She told some of her friends and they all said they would pray for him, and he later had an upturn and was doing much better. They attributed it to the power of prayer.
But what I don't get about it is that, it seems to imply that God's original plan was to have her uncle die, but then somehow the power of prayer compelled God to change His mind and let her uncle live.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I think we can get God to change His mind
Well then, he's not omniscient -- or he would have known you were going to.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Or he's willing to respond to intercession.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Creator, Father God, in Jesus name please assist Trump and inspire His decisions.
May all Angels and souls in Heaven rally behind him. May he be filled with the Holy-spirit. May He make the choices God wants him to make, in Jesus name I pray!
Please inspire me with efficacious prayers!
May all Angels and souls in Heaven rally behind him. May he be filled with the Holy-spirit. May He make the choices God wants him to make, in Jesus name I pray!
Please inspire me with efficacious prayers!
You are failing to understand what "omniscient" really means. It must include knowing that the intercessory prayer would come -- and that would have to be accounted for in whatever has taken place that He is now being asked to change, and acceding to!
Either you have to accept that God is not omniscient, not unchangeable, and sometimes plays games of partiality ("I'll change the results for these intercessors, but not for those") -- or you have to accept that you are just making up your ideas of what God is really all about out of whole cloth.