What caused the Big Bang?

ThePainefulTruth · Feb 6, 2017

Repox said:
Siti suggested a thread about the big bang. Can science ever explain it, or did God do it?

Here is my explanation. Because science cannot explain how the universe came from nothing, God is the only possible explanation. God doesn't use physical laws and a scientific laboratory to create, He uses his holy will.

What do you think?

That's the same argument atheists use, "you can't prove, or even have evidence (besides hearsay) that God did it or that God even exists, so God didn't do it."

There's absolutely no evidence either way, from "before" the Big Ban, or for what might have caused it. Further, we can't say it actually came from nothing since the ether appears to have substance or physical properties. All we can say is that either a creator spirit being created it, or the universe came to be spontaneously through some yet to be determined natural process.

As I've said before, the lack of evidence for a cause of the universe is so perfect, it would seem to indicate a divine design. How could a cause without a designer be so undetectable? But you can't use a lack of evidence as evidence. For me, it all adds up to a clever creator who must remain hidden, but I'm still empty handed.

Kemosloby · Feb 6, 2017

Perhaps there is a situation where fire creates mass. Normally fire consumes mass, yet the center of the Earth is hot. And the sun burns continually but never turns to ash. So perhaps when God said "Let there be light" there was fire, or many fires, throughout the darkness of the deep. Then formed the mass into the firmament, and planets etc.

jtartar · Feb 6, 2017

Repox said:
Siti suggested a thread about the big bang. Can science ever explain it, or did God do it?

Here is my explanation. Because science cannot explain how the universe came from nothing, God is the only possible explanation. God doesn't use physical laws and a scientific laboratory to create, He uses his holy will.

What do you think?

Repost,
Any person who even claims to be a Christian, knows that God created the heavens and the earth, and with a purpose, Genesis 1:1, 26-28, Acts 17:24-31.
Scientists know that their hypothesis of a Big Bang is popycock. Their very term for the heavens Is Cosmos, which means ORDER. One of the basic rules of nature is; explosions cause chaos, the greater the explosion the greater the chaos. I have very little confidence in people who form theorys that are impossible and expect reasonable people to believe them.
They should admit that they do not know, that many things are actually Extrascientific, that cannot, at the present level of knowledge, be explained by science.

Repox said:
Siti suggested a thread about the big bang. Can science ever explain it, or did God do it?

Here is my explanation. Because science cannot explain how the universe came from nothing, God is the only possible explanation. God doesn't use physical laws and a scientific laboratory to create, He uses his holy will.

What do you think?

David T · Feb 6, 2017

Repox said:
Siti suggested a thread about the big bang. Can science ever explain it, or did God do it?

Here is my explanation. Because science cannot explain how the universe came from nothing, God is the only possible explanation. God doesn't use physical laws and a scientific laboratory to create, He uses his holy will.

What do you think?

Could be a she not a he!!! The question spins cosmology into a particular model thus it's just arguing models. I might as well say that we live in a computational reality and outside reality real reality and in real reality that created our virtual reality exists the greatest computational modeler that we can call God or the architect.

Somewhere in this fantasy is some profound confusion about nature that tends to be rather normal across conflicting models.

Thief · Feb 6, 2017

Repox said:
Siti suggested a thread about the big bang. Can science ever explain it, or did God do it?

Here is my explanation. Because science cannot explain how the universe came from nothing, God is the only possible explanation. God doesn't use physical laws and a scientific laboratory to create, He uses his holy will.

What do you think?

agreed...
but having created a set rules of reality.....He will abide

Thief · Feb 6, 2017

Kemosloby said:
There was no Big Bang. It was an implosion which sucked debris from an alternate dimension.

all motion .....had a beginning

start there

Revoltingest · Feb 6, 2017

Repox said:
. Because science cannot explain how the universe came from nothing, God is the only possible explanation.

There are other possible explanations.
But when one cannot explain it, the very best approach is to admit "I don't know.".

Valjean · Feb 6, 2017

Repox said:
Siti suggested a thread about the big bang. Can science ever explain it, or did God do it?

Are these mutually exclusive? Are they even comparable?
Goddidit isn't an 'explanation'. It doesn't address mechanism. It's an assertion of agency and tacit appeal to magic.
Science does seek explanation, and the supernatural is outside its purview. It may well come up with an explanation, as it's discovered the explanations of so many previously mysterious phenomena.

Here is my explanation. Because science cannot explain how the universe came from nothing, God is the only possible explanation. God doesn't use physical laws and a scientific laboratory to create, He uses his holy will.
What do you think?

1. "Because science cannot explain how the universe came from nothing" Unsupported premise.
2. "God is the only possible explanation." False dilemma.
3 "Explanation." God isn't an explanation. An explanation addresses mechanism. God is only an agent.
4. "His holy will" Ie: Magic. You're proposing magic as a reasonable alternative to knowledge.

Thief · Feb 6, 2017

Revoltingest said:
There are other possible explanations.
But when one cannot explain it, the very best approach is to admit "I don't know.".

i equate that with.....non-belief
and you don't have a dog in the show

Altfish · Feb 6, 2017

suncowiam said:
How about a simple we don't know?

Yes, very difficult to argue with that. The best answer all round. Not a very satisfactory answer, but nevertheless the truth. It also pushes scientists to investigate and find the answer, whereas "God did it" closes the discussion.
Why attribute it to a god without a shred of evidence?

Revoltingest · Feb 6, 2017

Thief said:
i equate that with.....non-belief
and you don't have a dog in the show

The Big Bang is a scientific concept.
To not know what caused it needn't be a religious stance.
As for the dog show, meet my entry....

Thief · Feb 6, 2017

Revoltingest said:
The Big Bang is a scientific concept.
To not know what caused it needn't be a religious stance.
As for the dog show, meet my entry....

maybe we could have a mod move this to the debate section
or the fun and games department

Revoltingest · Feb 6, 2017

Thief said:
maybe we could have a mod move this to the debate section
or the fun and games department

I'm not debating anything though.
I've nothing to claim as factual in this thread.
(And you're the one who brought up me pooch.)

Wu Wei · Feb 6, 2017

I have had this thought about the big bang ever since my days of math and physics in college.

A group of scientists in a lab, working to discover what caused the big bang....when all of a sudden one of them yells

EUREKA, I FOUND IT!!!!!

All you have to do is.......

And the whole thing starts all over again

BANG

viole · Feb 6, 2017

Repox said:
Siti suggested a thread about the big bang. Can science ever explain it, or did God do it?

Here is my explanation. Because science cannot explain how the universe came from nothing, God is the only possible explanation. God doesn't use physical laws and a scientific laboratory to create, He uses his holy will.

What do you think?

I think that history teaches that aupernatural explanations of natural things tend to be premature.

For instance, the fact that people attributed the origin of lightnings to the supernatural, on account of lack of physical knowledge, does not seem to have helped Thor a lot.

Ciao

- viole

Thief · Feb 6, 2017

science would have us believe....nothing moves without something to move it

substance is NOT 'self' motivated

Valjean · Feb 6, 2017

Brownian self-motivation?

Quintessence · Feb 6, 2017

Repox said:
What do you think?

I think that suggesting your particular god is the only possible explanation suggests a lack of imagination. It could be a goddess. Or a god and a goddess. Or several gods and several goddesses. Or a myriad of spirits. Maybe space aliens. Or none of the above. It's also possible the universe did not have a beginning at all. And extremely possible that humans will never know "the answer" to this question because there isn't one.

Super Universe · Feb 6, 2017

siti said:
That might be what would expect to see from 'outside' the universe but from within you would only be able to see as far as light could have travelled since the BB (actually a little while after the BB because the very earliest phase would be opaque and therefore not visible to us at all) and that works out very roughly to be about 46.5bn light years years in any direction (because the universe is expanding the light that takes 13.8bn years to reach us came from galaxies that by now are 46.5bn light years away - if they still exist). But the whole universe might be hundreds of times that size meaning we can neither see the center nor the edge even if the universe has them (which we don't know). The universe could be infinite in extent for all we know.

What we do observe, in the bit of the universe that we can 'see', is that the stuff is pretty well spread out in all directions, just as one would expect when something goes bang.

You can only see as far as light could have travelled since the big bang? Correct. They can only see 13.8 billion light years away with current telescopes so they think the universe is 13.8 billion years old.

If the scientists assemble an interferometer in space built with large Hubble telescopes they will be able to see farther and they will have to adjust their age of the universe estimate.

Stuff is pretty well spread out in all directions which is what we would expect when something goes bang? Not really, supernova's go bang and emit an expanding sphere of gas.

The whole big bang idea came from the discovery that the galaxies are moving away from each other, that doesn't mean they all came from one place, it just means that there is a repelling force in space that works to keep large groups of matter away from each other.

Kilgore Trout · Feb 6, 2017

Repox said:
Siti suggested a thread about the big bang. Can science ever explain it, or did God do it?

Here is my explanation. Because science cannot explain how the universe came from nothing, God is the only possible explanation. God doesn't use physical laws and a scientific laboratory to create, He uses his holy will.

What do you think?

I'm guessing nobody ever complimented you on your imagination.

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