When you #resist - keep these in mind

SomeRandom said:

I find it rather interesting that whenever a President gets elected, America reacts as if the sky is falling. I'm no fan of Trump by any stretch, but like I remember when Obama was first elected. People were taking bets as to when the poor guy would be assassinated. I mean the world at large watched as America ran around like headless chickens.
Trump might do a lot of bad, I'm not saying he's a fantastic leader or anything. But maybe you guys can survive this 4 year term relatively unscathed. I mean it could be worse, right? You could have Pence running the show.
As for left or right? From my perspective y'all as bad as each other.

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I don't see anything wrong with Americans having such a deep interest in their government.

Jeremiahcp said:

I don't see anything wrong with Americans having such a deep interest in their government.

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I'm not saying that being deeply invested in politics is bad. I'm merely saying that the reactions can cross the line from passionate debate into crazy knee jerk reaction territory very quickly.

SomeRandom said:

I'm not saying that being deeply invested in politics is bad. I'm merely saying that the reactions can cross the line from passionate debate into crazy knee jerk reaction territory very quickly.

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As an American I have a constitutional right to my crazy thoughtless knee jerk reactions and they can pry my political bias out of my cold dead hands!

Jeremiahcp said:

As an American I have a constitutional right to my crazy thoughtless knee jerk reactions and they can pry my political bias out of my cold dead hands!

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I'm not saying you shouldn't react however you see fit. March on the Capital if you so desire. I'm just saying from an outsiders perspective, it's a little bit like omg get a life. Ya know?

SomeRandom said:

I'm not saying you shouldn't react however you see fit. March on the Capital if you so desire. I'm just saying from an outsiders perspective, it's a little bit like omg get a life. Ya know?

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Well my last post was just a joke.

It is always easy to judge when you are on the are the outside looking in, but what the Trump administration does or doesn't do will have a direct impact on our lives, as well as some that don't even live in this country.

Jeremiahcp said:

Well my last post was just a joke.

It is always easy to judge when you are on the are the outside looking in, but what the Trump administration does or doesn't do will have a direct impact on our lives, as well as some that don't even live in this country.

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Ahh I see. Hard to tell sometimes when it's only text.

So did Obama. So did Bush. We all survived regardless. Sometimes a little worse off and needing to recover. But we got through it.

SomeRandom said:

Ahh I see. Hard to tell sometimes when it's only text.

So did Obama. So did Bush. We all survived regardless. Sometimes a little worse off and needing to recover. But we got through it.

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I didn't like Bush I thought he was a dumb monkey, but I would gladly take him over Trump.

Like I said it is easy to be an outsider looking in judging people, but these are our lives and this is our country. It means a great deal more to us than to you.

Jeremiahcp said:

I didn't like Bush I thought he was a dumb monkey, but I would gladly take him over Trump.

I like I said it is easy to be an outsider looking in judging people, but these are our lives and this is our country. It means a great deal more to us than to you.

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Bush is known as that asshat who got our troops killed because he dragged us into war. So I don't know if such a sentiment as "this affects us more because it's our lives and our country" is always accurate. We literally lost lives because of American decisions. Justified as they may or may not be. Everything the US president does affects the rest of the world, you're not the only ones affected. Not to say I think Trump is better, though.

SomeRandom said:

Bush is known as that asshat who got our troops killed because he dragged us into war. So I don't know if such a sentiment as "this affects us more because it's our lives and our country" is always accurate. We literally lost lives because of American decisions. Justified as they may or may not be. Everything the US president does affects the rest of the world, you're not the only ones affected. Not to say I think Trump is better, though.

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Crazy as it may seem the US is affected by any war it is a part of and many wars it is not a part of; war in general typically impacts a wide range of people, from many different countries.

Jeremiahcp said:

Crazy as it may seem the US is affected by any war it is a part of and many wars it is not a part of; war in general typically impacts a wide range of people, from many different countries.

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Didn't say otherwise. But you're the ones who essentially brought the rest of the world in to track Suddam Hussein down with you. Understandable, sure. But was that a good decision? Are we reaping the long-term consequences now? I honestly don't know, I was a bit too young to properly remember. But we're an isolated little country and while we gladly support your efforts, you're still playing with everybody's lives, not just your own.
You guys have to remember that outsiders have just as much of a stake in what your leader does as you guys do. You're a superpower, you have certain responsibilities and the consequences are not limited to your own borders.

esmith said:

You might as well add
11. Do not allow opposing views to be heard by any means necessary.

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There's been violence on both sides of the fence. Your 'so called' president certainly hasn't united this country, has he. If I were you, I would follow the first rule of Scuba while you wait for that to happen: Don't hold your breath.

I like most of the tenets of the OP... but I refuse to stop making fun of Komrade Trumpsky. If I have to endure the right's brand of racism and right wing terrorism, then I'm going to make fun of them.

SomeRandom said:

Didn't say otherwise. But you're the ones who essentially brought the rest of the world in to track Suddam Hussein down with you. Understandable, sure. But was that a good decision? Are we reaping the long-term consequences now? I honestly don't know, I was a bit too young to properly remember. But we're an isolated little country and while we gladly support your efforts, you're still playing with everybody's lives, not just your own.
You guys have to remember that outsiders have just as much of a stake in what your leader does as you guys do. You're a superpower, you have certain responsibilities and the consequences are not limited to your own borders.

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"You guys have to remember that outsiders have just as much of a stake in what your leader does as you guys do."

Yes, there is a wide impact, and something Trump does will have a huge impact on those outside the US, like his Muslim ban.

But I bet you don't care about Betsy DeVos being picked for Secretary of Education.

Jeremiahcp said:

"You guys have to remember that outsiders have just as much of a stake in what your leader does as you guys do."

Yes, there is a wide impact, and something Trump does will have a huge impact on those outside the US, like his Muslim ban.

But I bet you don't care about Betsy DeVos being picked for Secretary of Education.

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I care insofar as it's like watching a friend make terrible mistakes. Though to be honest, what little I know about American education standards now, like geez, y'all have much bigger systematic problems that aren't doing you any favors.

SomeRandom said:

I care insofar as it's like watching a friend make terrible mistakes. Though to be honest, what little I know about American education standards now, like geez, y'all have much bigger systematic problems that aren't doing you any favors.

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Our k-12 needs a lot of work, but US higher education is some of the best in the world.

Montana State University ( I live in Bozeman, Montana) is known for its great engineering program and it pulls students from all over the US and many from over seas because of this reputation. However, right now because of the political landscape Montana State University has currently priced next year's out of state tuition several thousand more than it was this academic year. Now, that may not mean much to you, but if we loses our out of state students then not only will the college hurt, but Bozeman very much depends on out of state students for its healthy economy.

This is what I mean, sure you may feel the big things, but unless you live in the US you prob. won't feel all the little things.

Jeremiahcp said:

Our k-12 needs a lot of work, but US higher education is some of the best in the world.

Montana State University ( I live in Bozeman, Montana) is known for its great engineering program and it pulls students from all over the US and many from over seas because of this reputation. However, right now because of the political landscape Montana State University has currently priced next year's out of state tuition several thousand more than it was this academic year. Now, that may not mean much to you, but if we loses our out of state students then not only will the college will hurt, but Bozeman is very much depends on out of state students for its healthy economy.

This is what I mean, sure you may feel the big things, but unless you live in the US you prob. won't feel all the little things.

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That's what you think. But when our politicians look towards your higher education and go "hey, that's a good idea" it affects us too. We were fighting the idea that our student loans should look like Americans, which is not good for us in the long run. Given the strength (or weakness) of our dollar and the current wages/cost of living. We probably will continue to fight it in the future. Your higher education might be damned impressive, but the cost of it is ridiculous even on our wages.
Americans will be affected more than us, obviously.
But you constantly affect us all every day. Probably more than you realize. Even on little things, everyone wants to be like you, you're more often than not a role model. For better or worse.
Of course we all watch your politics like it's some sort of morbid train crash all the same. Make of that what you will.

I wouldnt resist, revolution even is like war. Justice doesn't need hate.

I wouldnt resist, revolution even is like war. Justice doesn't need hate. Peace doesn't need a revolution.

SomeRandom said:

That's what you think. But when our politicians look towards your higher education and go "hey, that's a good idea" it affects us too. We were fighting the idea that our student loans should look like Americans, which is not good for us in the long run. Given the strength (or weakness) of our dollar and the current wages/cost of living. We probably will continue to fight it in the future. Your higher education might be damned impressive, but the cost of it is ridiculous even on our wages.
Americans will be affected more than us, obviously.
But you constantly affect us all every day. Probably more than you realize. Even on little things, everyone wants to be like you, you're more often than not a role model. For better or worse.
Of course we all watch your politics like it's some sort of morbid train crash all the same. Make of that what you will.

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"But when our politicians look towards your higher education and go "hey, that's a good idea" it affects us too."

Then that is the fault of your politicians, not America. Even our politicians don't think the student loan problem in the US is in a good place. That is the one major failing areas that our government needs to fix. Sanders or Clinton probably would have done something to try to fix it. Trump said he was gonna do something about the massive student loan debt but I think he just said it to counter what Clinton was saying.

When it comes to education the Democrats prob. would have been the better pick.

"Your higher education might be damned impressive, but the cost of it is ridiculous even on our wages."

The there are a few problems with the way we handle the cost of our schools.

One the US government actually makes money off student loans, which it shouldn't be doing that. Money should be redirected back to the students as a grant or something of the sort. Something else should be done and the government should not be capitalizing on students.

Schools have way too much overhead, and excess money is not typically directed to cut cost for students but to build new buildings, hire more staff or increase wages.

Compared to things like welfare and defense, education is severely underfunded. More state and government funded scholarships would help out a lot.

Jeremiahcp said:

"But when our politicians look towards your higher education and go "hey, that's a good idea" it affects us too."

Then that is the fault of your politicians, not America. Even our politicians don't think the student loan problem in the US is in a good place. That is the one major failing areas that our government needs to fix. Sanders or Clinton probably would have done something to try to fix it. Trump said he was gonna do something about the massive student loan debt but I think he just said it to counter what Clinton was saying.

When it comes to education the Democrats prob. would have been the better pick.

"Your higher education might be damned impressive, but the cost of it is ridiculous even on our wages."

The there are a few problems with the way we handle the cost of our schools.

One the US government actually makes money off student loans, which it shouldn't be doing that. Money should be redirected back to the students as a grant or something of the sort. Something else should be done and the government should not be capitalizing on students.

Schools have way too much overhead, and excess money is not typically directed to cut cost for students but to build new buildings, hire more staff or increase wages.

Compared to things like welfare and defense, education is severely underfunded.

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Oh our politicians are idiots. Like if you're going to about education and welfare, why not copy the European countries that kick all of our collective asses? Not to say American Education is bad in any way, but there are better models for handling the cost out there, surely.

How do you think Trump will handle things like Welfare and other middle, working and lower class issues?

SomeRandom said:

Oh our politicians are idiots. Like if you're going to about education and welfare, why not copy the European countries that kick all of our collective asses? Not to say American Education is bad in any way, but there are better models for handling the cost out there, surely.

How do you think Trump will handle things like Welfare and other middle, working and lower class issues?

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"How do you think Trump will handle things like Welfare and other middle, working and lower class issues?"

It is typically the Democrats that fight the most for the working class and Trump's tax plan benefits the wealthy more than the middle and working class.