Bible Support for Twelve Angels.

Brickjectivity said:

I disagree with just about everything you just said.

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Wow, that really worries me. And your argument it so well laid out.

Brickjectivity said:

I disagree with just about everything you just said.

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That gives me a lot to think about. Could you be more precise?

Repox said:

I agree, you can find a lot of 12s out there. I think there is confirmation of people throughout the world knowing instinctively about the finger print of God. Examples of twelve include, months of the year, hours of the day, twelve tribes of Israel, twelve disciples, twelve inches in a foot, etc. As for Satan being the thirteenth angel, throughout the world 13 is an unlucky number.

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Repox said:

Wow, that really worries me. And your argument it so well laid out.

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Repox said:

That gives me a lot to think about. Could you be more precise?

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I am not arguing with you but am just not sure why you say you agree with me and list things I have not signed up for. I have not agreed about there being lots of 12s or the fingerprints of God or Satan being an angel or a certain number of angels or any relation to luck or back luck, and I also do not endorse just any numerology. So I do not agree, and I hope you are Ok with that.

Brickjectivity said:

I am not arguing with you but am just not sure why you say you agree with me and list things I have not signed up for. I have not agreed about there being lots of 12s or the fingerprints of God or Satan being an angel or a certain number of angels or any relation to luck or back luck, and I also do not endorse just any numerology. So I do not agree, and I hope you are Ok with that.

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I was trying to be humorous. I take it you just wanted to make a comment without discussion.

Repox said:

As evidence of twelve angels in heaven, we find the number twelve repeated throughout Revelation. Satan was God’s thirteenth angel.

“Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives forever and ever.” Rev. 4:9. Multiplying the duality of God (2) by the number of angels (12), the results are 24.

“Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all tribes of Israel." Multiple 12 times 12 and you get 144. Following the verse, twelve tribes of Israel are named with 12,000 members for each tribe. (Rev. 7:4).

In Chapter 11 of Revelation, we have the two witnesses representing the "duality of God." The story of the two witnesses is the story of Jesus (God). Chapter 12 of Revelation is the story of God's angels led by Michael fighting Satan while God (Jesus) was in the world for 1,260 days (Chapter 11). In the same chapter, we have the woman (God) with twelve stars on her head.

In the description of God's holy city, there are numerous references to twelve. “It had a great high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates.” Rev.21:12. “The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl.” Rev. 21:21. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. . . . and the twelfth amethyst. (Rev. 21:20). Amethyst is the final of twelve stones. An angel measured it. “He measured the city with a rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long.” He measured its walls and it was 144 cubits thick, (Rev. 21:16-17). Again, you multiple 12 times 12, the results is 144.

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The concept of Monotheism in Islam entails that God is only one, no duality no trinity. Who says God is more than one is a polytheist and this is worse than infidelity . God by logic can not be 2or 3. He is omnipotent and omniscient and does not need an aid or assistant. If he want something he will say be and it will be

Baroodi said:

The concept of Monotheism in Islam entails that God is only one, no duality no trinity. Who says God is more than one is a polytheist and this is worse than infidelity . God by logic can not be 2or 3. He is omnipotent and omniscient and does not need an aid or assistant. If he want something he will say be and it will be

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Human perceptions are based on human existence and experience. I don't believe humans are capable of a complete understanding of God. As for different religious interpretations, they are based on human opinions. Humans are not divine or holy, but God is both divine and holy. Ideas about who is or who isn't an infidel do not necessarily come from God.

Neo Deist said:

If you look for number patterns hard enough, you can find them everywhere and on anything. There's nothing miraculous about it. It's just math.

On 1-13-2017 (Friday the 13th), flight 666 took off from CPH and landed at HEL. The flight departed at 1300 (1pm). It took 1 hour and 34 minutes, and landed at 3:41pm Helsinki time. The aircraft was 13 years old.

So flight 666 landed in HEL
Friday the 13th, plane was 13 years old, departed at 1300 hours
Flight took 1:34 minutes and landed at 3:41 local (the same #s)
Nothing happened.

Not debating your points, just stating some facts.

Also, it doesn't really mean much if the author is using a theme like repeating numbers. It is intentional, not prophetic. For example:

Tim was 10 when he scored a 10 during the match. His 10 came at 10:10 in the morning, on 10-10-2020. The address where the 10X Club was hosting the 10th annual meet, was at 100 Century Avenue. The facility was very large, with 10 different double doors surrounding the domed building. There were 100 participants, all age 10 and under. Registration deadline was 10 days ago.

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Tim should play the lottery.

Carl W. said:

Tim should play the lottery.

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You can find numbers anywhere. However, based on the laws of probability, what are the chances of finding a particular number when there are so many of one number? I don't believe anyone has looked at Revelation to see the preponderance of 12 for that Bible chapter.

Repox said:

As evidence of twelve angels in heaven, we find the number twelve repeated throughout Revelation. Satan was God’s thirteenth angel.

“Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives forever and ever.” Rev. 4:9. Multiplying the duality of God (2) by the number of angels (12), the results are 24.

“Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all tribes of Israel." Multiple 12 times 12 and you get 144. Following the verse, twelve tribes of Israel are named with 12,000 members for each tribe. (Rev. 7:4).

In Chapter 11 of Revelation, we have the two witnesses representing the "duality of God." The story of the two witnesses is the story of Jesus (God). Chapter 12 of Revelation is the story of God's angels led by Michael fighting Satan while God (Jesus) was in the world for 1,260 days (Chapter 11). In the same chapter, we have the woman (God) with twelve stars on her head.

In the description of God's holy city, there are numerous references to twelve. “It had a great high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates.” Rev.21:12. “The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl.” Rev. 21:21. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. . . . and the twelfth amethyst. (Rev. 21:20). Amethyst is the final of twelve stones. An angel measured it. “He measured the city with a rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long.” He measured its walls and it was 144 cubits thick, (Rev. 21:16-17). Again, you multiple 12 times 12, the results is 144.

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In addition to the many occurrences for the number 12 in Revelation, it's found throughout the Bible. Again, I am proposing 12 to be the number of angels in heaven. I am aware that clerics have proposed various classifications for angels. I believe, however, there is just one category of angels in heaven, and each angel has an unique relationship with God.

The Number Twelve
You’ll find the number 12 used in 187 places in the Bible and there are some significances to this number as we will read. The number twelve seems to be very important to God and it represents, in most cases, the number of perfection and authority. The number 12 shows up in the Book of Revelation 22 times and are very important in that book and particularly in the New Jerusalem. Here are significances that are associated with the number 12.

12; the Number of Completeness
There were 12 tribes in Israel and this symbolizes the completeness of the nation Israel. Jacob had 12 sons which were the heads or fathers of each of the 12 tribes of Israel which are likened to 12 princes. When God appeared to Jacob He told him, “Your name will not be called Jacob any longer. From now on your name will be Israel” (Gen 35:10). The name Jacob means “supplanter” which means “to supersede by force or treachery” which is what Jacob did when he took Esau’s birthright for a bowl of stew (Gen 25:29-34) but now God is going to deal differently with Jacob because he repented of his supplanting ways and was now going to be called Israel, which in the Hebrew is “Yisra’el” and means “God prevails” which essentially means that Jacob stopped wresting with God because he could not prevail against God (Gen 32:22-32).

Other occurrences for the Number 12

§ Jesus chose 12 disciples who later became the 12 apostles which seem to fit the context of the number 12 used elsewhere in the Bible as this number also signified governmental rule or authority. The betrayer, Judas, was replaced by Matthias (Acts 1:23-26).

§ The New Jerusalem which descends out of heaven has 12 gates made of pearl which are manned by 12 angels. Each of the gates has been named after one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

§ In Revelation 7, twelve thousands from each of the 12 tribes of Israel will be saved near the end of the present world system.

§ The walls of the New Jerusalem are measured at 144 cubits high which is 12 multiplied (Rev 21:16).

§ The New City is also 12,000 furlongs squared (Rev 21:16).

§ There are 12 precious stones that will be used as the foundation of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:19-20).

§ The wall of the city had 12 foundations with the 12 names of the apostles on each one (Rev 21:14).

§ Twelve thousand will be taken from the earth so that they may serve the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ (Rev 14:1-5).

§ The high priest’s breastplate had 12 precious stones embedded within them.

§ Jesus very first words were spoken at the age of 12 (Luke 2:42).

§ There was even a woman who had suffered from a blood hemorrhage for 12 years (Luke 8:40).

§ There are 12 Minor Prophets in the Old Testament. They are called minor, not because they are less important than the Major Prophets, but due to their size being considerably smaller.

§ There are 12 historical books in the Bible: Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 Sam, 2 Sam, 1 Kings, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther.

§ There were 12 loaves of permanent offerings on the golden table (Lev 24:5).

§ There were 12 explorers or spies sent into the land of Canaan (Due 1:23).

§ Solomon had 12 administrators in his kingdom (1 Kings 4:7).

§ There were 12 men who laid 12 stones in building a monument to the Lord (Joshua 4:3).

§ The Book of Chronicles contained 12 great priests.

§ Twelve curses were indicated for disobedience to Israel (Duet 27).

§ A young Israelite male took 12 years before he could be admitted as a “son of the law.”

§ There were the 12 sacrifices of animals that were to be given (Numb 7, 29).

Here is the reference for this list of 12.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/09/28/what-does-the-number-twelve-12-mean-or-represent-in-the-bible/

Repox said:

As evidence of twelve angels in heaven, we find the number twelve repeated throughout Revelation. Satan was God’s thirteenth angel.

“Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives forever and ever.” Rev. 4:9. Multiplying the duality of God (2) by the number of angels (12), the results are 24.

“Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all tribes of Israel." Multiple 12 times 12 and you get 144. Following the verse, twelve tribes of Israel are named with 12,000 members for each tribe. (Rev. 7:4).

In Chapter 11 of Revelation, we have the two witnesses representing the "duality of God." The story of the two witnesses is the story of Jesus (God). Chapter 12 of Revelation is the story of God's angels led by Michael fighting Satan while God (Jesus) was in the world for 1,260 days (Chapter 11). In the same chapter, we have the woman (God) with twelve stars on her head.

In the description of God's holy city, there are numerous references to twelve. “It had a great high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates.” Rev.21:12. “The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl.” Rev. 21:21. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. . . . and the twelfth amethyst. (Rev. 21:20). Amethyst is the final of twelve stones. An angel measured it. “He measured the city with a rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long.” He measured its walls and it was 144 cubits thick, (Rev. 21:16-17). Again, you multiple 12 times 12, the results is 144.

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I neglected to list an important dream I had a few years about the number of angels in heaven. In the air, I saw old fashioned locket with two rows of six angels.. A voice said, "we are locked onto God for eternity."

Satan was the thirteenth angel. Isn't that interested, throughout the world, 13 is an unlucky number. The number two also keeps popping up. God's duality, or signature, is found everywhere in nature: two bird wings, two eyes, two ears, two arms and legs, etc. Then, in science we have neutrons and protons, positive and negative charges, gravity and anti-gravity, matter and anti-matter, etc. Duality in nature, and in human societies, appears to be endless. It's empirical evidence for the duality of God.