Last Will and Testament of God

Terrywoodenpic · Feb 4, 2017

wizanda said:
Good point, and thought the Didache comes after Paul's letters as well; as it was Paul who instigated the drinking of wine in remembrance (1 Corinthians 11:25), not Yeshua, who told his Disciples not to drink (Mark 9:41 & Matthew 10:42).

Because clearly to drink the blood of an offering, is another defilement of the Law (Revelation 16:6).

If you read the Didache you would know what it says about the Eucharist. And that it has nothing to do with the death of Christ or Blood offering.
Jesus first miracle shows he had no aversion to drinking wine.

( from the Aaron Milavec translation)

9:1 (And) concerning the eucharist, Eucharistize thus:

9:2 First, concerning the cup:

We give you thanks, our Father,
for the holy vine of your servant David which you revealed to us through your servant Jesus. To you [is] the glory forever.

9:3 And concerning the broken [loaf]: We give you thanks, our Father, for the life and knowledge which you revealed to us through your servant Jesus. To you [is] the glory forever. 9:4Just as this broken [loaf] was scattered over the hills [as grain], and, having_been_gathered_together, became one; in -like - fashion., may your church be_gathered_together from the ends of the earth into your kingdom. Because yours is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ forever.

9:5(And) let no one eat or drink from your eucharist except those baptized in the name of [the] Lord, for the Lord has likewise said concerning this: "Do not give what is holy to the dogs."

Terrywoodenpic · Feb 4, 2017

Kemosloby said:
How do we inherit from ourselves what was never ours to give away? Nope, it doesn't work. In light of Hebrews explaining that Jesus death was part of the execution of a will, I have no doubt the beatitudes were Jesus proclaiming his will to mankind.

Jesus made no will.
One is not recorded in the gospels nor anywhere else.

Kemosloby · Feb 4, 2017

Terrywoodenpic said:
All Christians are commanded by Jesus to observe the Eucharist in remembrance of him.
Some may call it by other names such as "the Lords supper. Holy communion. etc.

The last known remaining complete copy of the Didache was found in 1873 in a Greak Orthodox Cathedral library. Even the Vatican does not have an original. Though they do now acknowledge its importance.
An abridged version is found in the Ethopian Orthodox Bible canon.
I know of no protestant church that denies its importance to understanding the earl christian church

That's second generation stuff..as people deviated from Gods simple message to "Serve not by a written code but by the spirit" a bunch of numbskulls who love written codes had to write a didache.

Kemosloby · Feb 4, 2017

Terrywoodenpic said:
Jesus made no will.
One is not recorded in the gospels nor anywhere else.

The Beautitudes were his will. For those who are Heirs to the Kingdom of God. Heirs and Inheritance are used repeatedly in the scriptures.

Titus 3:7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

Terrywoodenpic · Feb 4, 2017

Kemosloby said:
That's second generation stuff..as people deviated from Gods simple message to "Serve not by a written code but by the spirit" a bunch of numbskulls who love written codes had to write a didache.

It Predates the Gospels and the compilation of the Bible.
These were people still living and forming churches, some of who had heard Jesus speak.
The Apostles were still active.
It is describing a Christianity closer to that of Jesus than could ever happen again.

Your blatant Ignorance of this is terrifying.

Kemosloby · Feb 4, 2017

Terrywoodenpic said:
It Predates the Gospels and the compilation of the Bible.
These were people still living and forming churches, some of who had heard Jesus speak.
The Apostles were still active.
It is describing a Christianity closer to that of Jesus than could to ever happen again.

Your blatant Ignorance of this is terrifying.

Yet people consider what your saying as false, otherwise we would have Didache's instead of Bibles. This is the Bible section, sell you Didache in the Didache section.

Terrywoodenpic · Feb 4, 2017

Kemosloby said:
The Beautitudes were his will. For those who are Heirs to the Kingdom of God. Heirs and Inheritance are used repeatedly in the scriptures.

Titus 3:7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

In like manner you can assign anything at all. as the will Of Jesus.
Theology has been constructed from scripture and the previous rationalisations of scripture. It is always work in progress and open to reassessment. There is no one and only interpretation of scripture.

Kemosloby · Feb 4, 2017

Terrywoodenpic said:
In like manner you can assign anything at all. as the will Of Jesus.
Theology has been constructed from scripture and the previous rationalisations of scripture. It is always work in progress and open to reassessment. There is no one and only interpretation of scripture.

Yet when something becomes clear it becomes clear. When Jesus said " I do my Fathers will" He meant " I do my Fathers will"

wizanda · Feb 4, 2017

Terrywoodenpic said:
Jesus first miracle shows he had no aversion to drinking wine.

The Gospel of John is derogatory towards the character of Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels.

Terrywoodenpic said:
If you read the Didache you would know what it says about the Eucharist.

Thank you only just read it; the terminology Eucharist is a concept of the Communion....

The text specifically refers to the drinking of wine; when Yeshua said to his disciples they should only drink water (Mark 9:41 & Matthew 10:42).

Kemosloby · Feb 4, 2017

wizanda said:
The Gospel of John is derogatory towards the character of Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels.

Thank you only just read it; the terminology Eucharist is a concept of the Communion....

The text specifically refers to the drinking of wine, when Yeshua said to his disciples they should only drink water (Mark 9:41 & Matthew 10:42).

The Eucharist is a written ritualistic code specific to the Catholic dogma, not in keeping with the simplicity of Christs example at the Last Supper, or any other example of sharing bread and wine in the Bible.

Terrywoodenpic · Feb 4, 2017

Kemosloby said:
Yet people consider what your saying as false, otherwise we would have Didache's instead of Bibles. This is the Bible section, sell you Didache in the Didache section.

You still Do not understand what the Didache is... It was never intended to be Scripture. It is like a book given to an apprentice. In this case, a novice Gentile Christian. To teaches him all he needs to know in order to be baptised and join the community.

I strongly suggest you read the Aaron Milavec book as it gives the original, the translation and commentary of the entire document, and is fully referenced.

It will give you a better understanding where Christianity grew from, and the changes that were added along the way. Though those changes you will have to see for your self. The Didache only gives the starting point.

It undoubtedly had a profound affect on the later Bible, and still can help in its understanding and study.

As it is in the Ethopian Bible, it still falls within your narrow understanding of what this section of the forum. is for.
Why are you frightened of read in the Didache? do you fear it might disturb your certainties.

Kemosloby · Feb 4, 2017

Terrywoodenpic said:
You still Do not understand what the Didache is... It was never intended to be Scripture. It is like a book given to an apprentice. In this case, a novice Gentile Christian. To teaches him all he needs to know in order to be baptised and join the community.

I strongly suggest you read the Aaron Milavec book as it gives the original, the translation and commentary of the entire document, and is fully referenced.

It will give you a better understanding where Christianity grew from, and the changes that were added along the way. Though those changes you will have to see for your self. The Didache only gives the starting point.

It undoubtedly had a profound affect on the later Bible, and still can help in its understanding and study.

As it is in the Ethopian Bible, it still falls within your narrow understanding of what this section of the forum. is for.
Why are you frightened of read in the Didache? do you fear it might disturb your certainties.

I'm sure the Didache is a book of certainties. Why do you fear Jesus death was an execution of a will? Does that not conform to the certainties you've learned from the Didache?

Terrywoodenpic · Feb 4, 2017

wizanda said:
The Gospel of John is derogatory towards the character of Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels.

Thank you only just read it; the terminology Eucharist is a concept of the Communion....

The text specifically refers to the drinking of wine; when Yeshua said to his disciples they should only drink water (Mark 9:41 & Matthew 10:42).

Jesus Drank wine at the last Supper.
He also created wine at the wedding in the first Miracle.
He had nothing against the drinking of wine

Mark 9:41 says nothing about not drinking wine.. only not to despise people who only offered you a cup of water
Likewise Matthew10:42 is talking about the reward for welcoming people, and giving them even a cup of water. it does not mention wine.

In each case it says "Even" as if wine or something else might be even better.

Terrywoodenpic · Feb 4, 2017

Kemosloby said:
I'm sure the Didache is a book of certainties. Why do you fear Jesus death was an execution of a will? Does that not conform to the certainties you've learned from the Didache?

I do not learn certainties... there are no certainties in this world or the next.

what is " an execution of a will" ?

Jesus death was almost inevitable in the political and religious situation in which he placed himself.

The Didache does not even mention Jesus crucifixion. It is an instruction book not scripture.

Kemosloby · Feb 4, 2017

Terrywoodenpic said:
I do not learn certainties... there are no certainties in this world or the next.

what is " an execution of a will" ?

Jesus death was almost inevitable in the political and religious situation in which he placed himself.

The Didache does not even mention Jesus crucifixion. It is an instruction book not scripture.

What's it have to do with this thread?

whirlingmerc · Feb 4, 2017

Jesus died for many reasons, the chief end of God being God's glory and showing mercy which is near the apex of God's glory As part of God's plan of redemption there would be a new covenant where 'I will make a new covenant and never cease from doing you good and I will put my Spirit in you and you will never cease from following me" Jer 32:40

It's like a sailing boat in winds tossed here and there. When Jesus died he took all the wrath of God against sinners and now the winds only blow for their good and God's glory for the redeemed, those disciplined by God for their good

Jeremiah in his sufferings is a picture of Christ in his sufferings.

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see --> Lessons from the life and dangers of Jeremiah

Terrywoodenpic · Feb 4, 2017

Kemosloby said:
Yet when something becomes clear it becomes clear. When Jesus said " I do my Fathers will" He meant " I do my Fathers will"

Unfortunately Very little of the Bible is as simple and direct as that statement.
However even that simple statement does not make clear what he thought his fathers will was. And certainly not why.
So even simple statements are open to discussion, context and deeper understanding.

Terrywoodenpic · Feb 4, 2017

Kemosloby said:
What's it have to do with this thread?

They are to do with this tread because they were answers, and further questions in answer to your own.
I take it you are avoiding answering for a reason?

Kemosloby · Feb 4, 2017

Terrywoodenpic said:
They are to do with this tread because they were answers, and further questions in answer to your own.
I take it you are avoiding answering for a reason?

Go ahead and write down the pertinent answers and questions, and we will look at them.

wizanda · Feb 4, 2017

Terrywoodenpic said:
He also created wine at the wedding in the first Miracle.

There wasn't a wedding feast without the Gospel of John.

Terrywoodenpic said:
Jesus Drank wine at the last Supper.

Yeshua drank wine at a few occasions, as they called him a winebibber for it; yet as he said wisdom is justified by her children (Matthew 11:19)....

A Nazarite (Numbers 6:3 & Amos 2:12), princes, and kings shouldn't drink least they distort the Law (Proverbs 31:4-7)...

The wise shouldn't drink (Proverbs 20:1) and Yeshua said he would appoint those drinking with the hypocrites (Luke 12:45-46).

Terrywoodenpic said:
it does not mention wine.

It doesn't need to, the rest of the scriptures declare it as wrong, and one of the reasons Israel/Judah was cut off.

Isaiah 56:11-12 Yes, the dogs are greedy. They can never have enough. They are shepherds who can’t understand. They have all turned to their own way, each one to his gain, from every quarter. (12) “Come,” say they, “I will get wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and tomorrow will be as today, great beyond measure.”

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