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Is Trinity in the Bible?

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PinkStilettos

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When Jesus was teaching at Mark 12:28-30, he mentioned Jehovah, our God is one Jehovah and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart, and your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength. Jesus spoke of OUR God so he couldn't have been referring to himself and the holy spirit also.

Jesus never claimed to be equal to God, at John 14:28 he says "You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.

Matthew 24:36 says "Concerning the day and hour, nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

Acts 7:55, 56 reports that Stephen was given a vision of heaven in which he saw "Jesus standing at God's right hand." However he made no mention of seeing the holy spirit.

Psalms 104:30; 2Peter 1:21; and Acts 4:31 all show that the holy spirit is not a person but a powerful force that God cause to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.

Kiya
 
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may

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PinkStilettos said:
When Jesus was teaching at Mark 12:28-30, he mentioned Jehovah, our God is one Jehovah and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart, and your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength. Jesus spoke of OUR God so he couldn't have been referring to himself and the holy spirit also.

Jesus never claimed to be equal to God, at John 14:28 he says "You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.

Matthew 24:36 says "Concerning the day and hour, nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

Acts 7:55, 56 reports that Stephen was given a vision of heaven in which he saw "Jesus standing at God's right hand." However he made no mention of seeing the holy spirit.

Psalms 104:30; 2Peter 1:21; and Acts 4:31 all show that the holy spirit is not a person but a powerful force that God cause to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.

Kiya
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at last correct bible teaching . with no traditions of man attached to it .
 
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may

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JamesThePersian said:
Apart from 'Jehovah', you mean?

James
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apart from the bible ,
the true religion should have solid basis, not on religious leaders, not on religious systems, but on God’s Word, the Bible.

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,​

You alone are the Most High over all the earth. psalm 83;18
 
James the Persian

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
may said:
apart from the bible ,
the true religion should have solid basis, not on religious leaders, not on religious systems, but on God’s Word, the Bible.


That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,​


You alone are the Most High over all the earth. psalm 83;18
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Look, protest all you like, but unless you can find somewhere in the original Scriptures (Greek or Hebrew) that proclaims that the Tetragrammaton is pronounced Jehovah, then you simply cannot say that your teaching that Jehovah is the name of God is based on the Bible alone and unclouded by human tradition. I know full well that you won't admit it, but the Watchtower Society's position on Jehovah (and some other things such as certain dates that are held as important) are clearly traditional teachings of said group and not the obvious teaching of plain Scripture unfiltered by any tradition (whatever such an absurd concept might mean).

James
 
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may

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JamesThePersian said:
Look, protest all you like, but unless you can find somewhere in the original Scriptures (Greek or Hebrew) that proclaims that the Tetragrammaton is pronounced Jehovah, then you simply cannot say that your teaching that Jehovah is the name of God is based on the Bible alone and unclouded by human tradition. I know full well that you won't admit it, but the Watchtower Society's position on Jehovah (and some other things such as certain dates that are held as important) are clearly traditional teachings of said group and not the obvious teaching of plain Scripture unfiltered by any tradition (whatever such an absurd concept might mean).

James
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are you refering to the 1914 date that is very significant indeed according to the bible , bible prophecy always comes true , and it has, Jesus is now a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom goverment, daniel 2;44 daniel 7;13-14 its all happening in this time of the end, bible prophecy is now well along and putting ourselves on the side of the reigning king is the way to go , do not blindfold your own eyes to bible prophecy that has been fullfilled. Jesus has been given the kingship , he is the one with the legal right to the throne and it will last for ever. no traditions of man are attached to bible truth and fullfilled bible prophecy . do not let tradtitions of man blind you to bible truths and facts. its all happening in the times we live in . Jehovahs people are right on the ball about bible prophecy ,dont let others influence you to putting your blindfold on. go to the light of those with insight and then your road will be bright
"As regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many."—DANIEL 11:33.
 
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wmam

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JamesThePersian said:
Look, protest all you like, but unless you can find somewhere in the original Scriptures (Greek or Hebrew) that proclaims that the Tetragrammaton is pronounced Jehovah, then you simply cannot say that your teaching that Jehovah is the name of God is based on the Bible alone and unclouded by human tradition. I know full well that you won't admit it, but the Watchtower Society's position on Jehovah (and some other things such as certain dates that are held as important) are clearly traditional teachings of said group and not the obvious teaching of plain Scripture unfiltered by any tradition (whatever such an absurd concept might mean).

James
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And here I was under the understanding that most, if not all, of the leaders of the watch tower had already admitted to the mistranslation of the 4 letter word. Wonder when the masses realize that the name "jesus" is worse than "jehovah"? I mean really.........how many Hebrews you ever heard of that has a name that praises the name of a pagan deity? I know that there are some but I just can't accept that the Messiah was one of them. Look at all the Roman names of people in the last part of the book of Romans. Most end with "us" to show homage to "zeus". Most Hebrew names ended with "Yah". As in Exo 3:14 where it is stated "ha YAH asher ha YAH". The Messiah's name uses it at the beginning as "YAH-shua", Yahshua. This, as all other Hebrew names, mean something and the meaning is "YAH is salvation". I know for a fact that j-zeus doesn't mean this no matter what twisted transliteration you try to use.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
wmam said:
And here I was under the understanding that most, if not all, of the leaders of the watch tower had already admitted to the mistranslation of the 4 letter word. Wonder when the masses realize that the name "jesus" is worse than "jehovah"? I mean really.........how many Hebrews you ever heard of that has a name that praises the name of a pagan deity? I know that there are some but I just can't accept that the Messiah was one of them. Look at all the Roman names of people in the last part of the book of Romans. Most end with "us" to show homage to "zeus". Most Hebrew names ended with "Yah". As in Exo 3:14 where it is stated "ha YAH asher ha YAH". The Messiah's name uses it at the beginning as "YAH-shua", Yahshua. This, as all other Hebrew names, mean something and the meaning is "YAH is salvation". I know for a fact that j-zeus doesn't mean this no matter what twisted transliteration you try to use.
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Let's see if I got this right. You don't like a name [Jesus] because it has pagan origins? :confused:
 
James the Persian

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
wmam said:
And here I was under the understanding that most, if not all, of the leaders of the watch tower had already admitted to the mistranslation of the 4 letter word. Wonder when the masses realize that the name "jesus" is worse than "jehovah"? I mean really.........how many Hebrews you ever heard of that has a name that praises the name of a pagan deity? I know that there are some but I just can't accept that the Messiah was one of them. Look at all the Roman names of people in the last part of the book of Romans. Most end with "us" to show homage to "zeus". Most Hebrew names ended with "Yah". As in Exo 3:14 where it is stated "ha YAH asher ha YAH". The Messiah's name uses it at the beginning as "YAH-shua", Yahshua. This, as all other Hebrew names, mean something and the meaning is "YAH is salvation". I know for a fact that j-zeus doesn't mean this no matter what twisted transliteration you try to use.
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This is complete nonsense. Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with Zeus. You really do need to learn something about linguistics and etymology if you're going to start using them as arguments. Jesus is simply the Latinised version of the Hellenised name (and there were large numbers of Greek speaking Jews even prior to the Incarnation so this would have been simply the standard way of rendering the name in Greek). The -us ending in Latin has absolutely zip to do with Zeus (who is Jupiter in Latin paganism anyway, Zeus being Greek) it's just the Latin grammatical equivalent to the Greek -os ending (hence, for instance, Athanasius being the Latin rendering of the Greek Athanasios). This has absolutely nothing to do with changing the meaning of a name and everything to do with the phonology of the target language.

It's a good job you aren't a native Romanian speaker, that's all I can say, because goodness knows what you'd make out of Dumnezeu (God). Just to explain this word's etymology, it's a compound which literally means Lord God (a god is just zeu by itself). Romanian is a Romance language derived from Latin so the precursor of zeu is not Zeus but deus. Latin is related to Greek and deus, likewise, is not a cognate of Zeus, but shares its origins with theos (Greek for god). At every stage of this development, the change is caused simply by the phonology of the language in which the word is being rendered. There's no sinister pagan conspiracy, it's just the natural development of language. My name has done exactly the same (James being an English rendering of a Latin variant of a Hellenised Hebrew name, and actually being the same name as Jacob) and all your arguments against such development are the results of poor theology and linguistic ignorance. One thing I can say, though, is that at least your position is more consistant than that of the JWs.

James
 
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may

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(Je·ho´vah) [the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Heb. verb ha·wah´ (become); meaning "He Causes to Become"].​
The personal name of God. (Isa 42:8; 54:5) Though Scripturally designated by such descriptive titles as "God," "Sovereign Lord," "Creator," "Father," "the Almighty," and "the Most High," his personality and attributes—who and what he is—are fully summed up and expressed only in this personal name.—Ps 83:18.
 
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wmam

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Let's see if I got this right. You don't like a name [Jesus] because it has pagan origins? :confused:
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I do not follow it because it is incorrect, and in opposition, to that which is truth in scripture.
 
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