Islamic anger

Asking said:

Certainly religious individuals can be fractious but again this isn't unique to religion and is a general characteristic of people.

In my own country (UK) political discussion has become extremely unpleasant of late.

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I agree but we talking about Islam, and they do have some evil beliefs that they believe their God wants, the Christians also have some evil writings in their scriptures but they don't obey them today, we need to become civilized and let go of past beliefs that danger others.

Ubon said:

I have debated Christians, hindus, sikhs etc

However i have found muslims are quick to anger in what should be a normal conversation if you disagree or express an opinion contrary to there belief.

They will happily explain why Buddha came from the devil, but if you give your opinion on Muhammad you can see they would kill you if given half a chance.

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They probably get angry because they have to talk to you and you annoy them. You who has nothing better to do than debate unprovable things like religion and obviously loves talking trash about Muslims.

Oosh day.

Found the angry one.

Servant_of_the_One1 said:

Well it would be strange if someone insulted my mother while i still sit down with that person or feel happy about it. The thing is that i love prophet PBUH more than my own mother and father.


I control the anger cuz this is good command of the prophet pbuh.
But dont expect me to sit down with such person after insulting the prophet pbuh.

The best i can do is distance.

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Yes but i don't insult the prophet, its more a case of i would not agree with them on certain issues that they raised.

I was fine with what they believed they were not so fine with my beliefs regarding my religion.

MrMrdevincamus said:

It depends on how nice of a smirk you have on your face when you ridicule their lifestyle or call their God a derogatory name or worse. When someone does these things forgive me but it seems like they are trying to get an response of anger. What do they expect when a person suggests the Christian is a liar or disrespects the deity they have chosen to dedicate their life to with insult after insult? This is just a guess but maybe if you or anyone tried to extend respect for our belief systems instead of slinging insults and ridicule you might just get that respect returned.

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Uh.... Project much?
Dear one - I am an ("ultra") Orthodox Torah observant black hat wearing born again Jew!
I try not to denigrate anyone's religion unless they insist on picking a fight with me.
In my humble opinion, hard core believing American Christians are the best friends a Jew could have nowadays. Why would I insult them?
I'm not sure if you think you were writing to someone else or, you found my post offensive.
I do not understand your dudgeon.

Ubon said:

I have debated Christians, hindus, sikhs etc

However i have found muslims are quick to anger in what should be a normal conversation if you disagree or express an opinion contrary to there belief.

They will happily explain why Buddha came from the devil, but if you give your opinion on Muhammad you can see they would kill you if given half a chance.

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Not that I even believe any of this but here's a tip: if you're going to go into a debate forum where you know there are a bunch of what ever demographic you're trying to offend, you'd be more convincing and less obvious if you'd make some attempt to disguise your rant as an invitation to debate.

The Ragin Pagan said:

I'm at work ATM, but @Sonny , you do realize everything you said about Islam can be said about Christianity as well, right?

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Not true. Not at all, and that lack of knowledge about Christianity being spread around to people even more gullible is why some people have such a bad view of the Christian religion.

MrMrdevincamus said:

that lack of knowledge about Christianity being spread around to people even more gullible is why some people have such a bad view of the Christian religion.

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Know you that not only was I a Christian for half my life, but I studied various Christian sects directly for many years. I could be an ordained deacon. I'll return to that post tomorrow, but rest assured - or not - that everything Sonny accused Islam of your religion is also subject to. Your book is just as violent, your history just as sordid, and your current actions less than shining. If there is a bad view to be had of Christians, as with Muslims, the fault lies with Christian representation.

The Ragin Pagan said:

But of course it did. "A christian will not be spitting on anyone" infers that Christians never act poorly; that those who do are "false Christians". The NTS fallacy to a T.

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What you think it inferred and what it meant was two different things. Also since you offered no counter argument you have only an opinion of my claim, and an opinion does not qualify my statement as a NTS fallacy. Sometimes these overused fallacies are employed due to laziness or worse ignorance. I am not saying anything personal against you RP, but you should know better. Maybe you and a couple of other members who criticize everything positive that is said about Christianity in the typical knee jerk fashion, should instead engage in debate using a good counterargument.

The Ragin Pagan said:

Know you that not only was I a Christian for half my life, but I studied various Christian sects directly for many years. I could be an ordained deacon. I'll return to that post tomorrow, but rest assured - or not - that everything Sonny accused Islam of your religion is also subject to. Your book is just as violent, your history just as sordid, and your current actions less than shining. If there is a bad view to be had of Christians, as with Muslims, the fault lies with Christian representation.

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No one would deny there is violence in the OLD TESTAMENT, yes it is full of it. Vengeance is mine sayth the lord! God is not a unconditional love type God, no he is a tough love God. That said we are discussing CHRISTIANITY not Judaism etc. So Christians abide by the examples Jesus provided. We are to live by the nonviolent teachings of Jesus. Btw if you were a student of Christianity you know Jesus modified or clarified the (over 600) examples of the old law showing that love not violence is the way.

Even today in the modern age Muslims can be ordered to commit murder for little of nothing by decree (fatwā) of a Islamic cleric without fear of condemnation. heck there are so many examples of how Islam can do violence with the blessings of its holy men I don't know where to start. Now all that said I love my moderate non violent brother and sister Muslims and have said so many times. As I pointed out my Orthopedic surgeon is a beautiful Muslim woman. So its mindless violence committed by anyone or by any religion I detest.....

And I too need to get some sleep ..... ZZzzzzzzzz

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The Ragin Pagan said:

The "No True Scotsman" fallacy never works for anyone.

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Now we can agree ! It just seemed to me that the fallacies are being way misused and overused. I have seen many instances where the member with a much stronger argument used the NTSF when all he or she had to do was drive the point* right through his victims heart with one lethal clean thrust instead of dilly dallying with logical arguments and other tools of debate. Yeah, nice clean and satisfying.

* point means verbal point not a blade point....

psychoslice said:

I agree but we talking about Islam, and they do have some evil beliefs that they believe their God wants, the Christians also have some evil writings in their scriptures but they don't obey them today, we need to become civilized and let go of past beliefs that danger others.

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Yeah will you tell RP that??? (the bolded part). Ragin Pagan I will own the history of my religion, but that's what it is..... history. Much of Islam today hasn't changed from when it was founded. Don't believe me? Go to one of their mosques and insult Allah etc. Or write a book called the satanic verses and get a bounty put on your life by a high ranking Islamic authority. Christianity is different.

psychoslice sorry for using your quote to talk to RP in third party mode .....

This excellent video shows the true intent of Islam.


Moreover, they have the disrespect to accuse us of Islamophobia.

How many other religions use acid attacks or bury people alive?

How many other religions force people to set themselves on fire as the only means of escape?

How many other religions still support slavery?

Should you fear being lynched because you have been accused of burning the Quran?

It goes on!

Is this what we want in the West?

Moderate Muslims should be just as concerned as I am. It is time they stood up and denounce these doctrines. Ignorance is no excuse.

Radicalized Islam is evil incarnate. It is fundamentally different than most if not all other terrorists movements. Personally, in my opinion I feel the Radical Islamic Movement (RIM) may be who or what comes against the world as the supernatural partner to the antichrist near the 'end time'. Christians know it as the beast that beheads those that do not reject their Christianity and accept Islam. However, that said Moderate Islam is a good reasonable and rational religion. The moderate Muslims from the poorest to the most wealthy should eliminate the cancer of hate and insanity that is growing in the body of their religion. If they don’t, the world will do it for them.

Quintessence said:

Of the religions that are a topic of conversation in English speaking cultures, which are demonized more than any other? Which is the subject of more misinformation, scorn, and ire? Now consider for a moment that you're a member of these religions that are so ill-spoken of. How would that make you feel? Might you *gasp* be a little bit angry about it and sick of hearing that crap? Perish the thought...

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Actually, I would not be the least bit angered or offended, quite the contrary, I would welcome the challenge to engage them.

Not unlike how saints or priests or Jesus Himself would respond. When you are sure of the truth you are not put off by another's ignorance.

Quintessence said:

Were I a Muslim, I'd be ticked off too. Hell, I'm ticked off for them. It wouldn't take much for the bullseye to swerve to a religious minority like myself. And being the rear end of every criticism is awful.

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You call it criticism, I call it discourse. Christianity is constantly mocked in this nation and surely on TV and in the movies. Do you see violent reactions? No. Because we are grateful for the revelations given and we are wise to know how we should respond. On the other hand, no one dares make a cartoon drawing of Muhammad for fear of being killed over it. All one has to do is look at the longer history of this planet. Islam has always been the intolerant, angry, conquerors. Christianity has had many sinners in its ranks, but its history is far, far more charitable and giving than anything secular academia would ever dare give it credit for.

Ubon said:

I have debated Christians, hindus, sikhs etc

However i have found muslims are quick to anger in what should be a normal conversation if you disagree or express an opinion contrary to there belief.

They will happily explain why Buddha came from the devil, but if you give your opinion on Muhammad you can see they would kill you if given half a chance.

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It is human nature for people to get agitated when their position is challenged or exposed for its flaws. Even among non-religious and atheists.

Valerian said:

Actually, I would not be the least bit angered or offended, quite the contrary, I would welcome the challenge to engage them.

Not unlike how saints or priests or Jesus Himself would respond. When you are sure of the truth you are not put off by another's ignorance.



You call it criticism, I call it discourse. Christianity is constantly mocked in this nation and surely on TV and in the movies. Do you see violent reactions? No. Because we are grateful for the revelations given and we are wise to know how we should respond. On the other hand, no one dares make a cartoon drawing of Muhammad for fear of being killed over it. All one has to do is look at the longer history of this planet. Islam has always been the intolerant, angry, conquerors. Christianity has had many sinners in its ranks, but its history is far, far more charitable and giving than anything secular academia would ever dare give it credit for.

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I about fell out of my chair reading your reply! Finally truth! Remember the art where a little statue of Jesus was put into a bottle of ****? That was mainstream art too! Could you imagine if that was an representation of Allah or Mohammad instead of Jesus?

I can tell you the very most difficult thing in accepting Christianity is to temper my temper! I was an outlaw biker for about ten years (before I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior) The club (not a gang) was the Hells Henchmen Chicago south side, these days I think they switched to Hells Angels Lol. I just got tired of going to more funerals than parties. Changing me took real power, but with God anything is possible...

cjj said:

It is human nature for people to get agitated when their position is challenged or exposed for its flaws. Even among non-religious and atheists.

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However, they are not praised or revered for doing so.

MrMrdevincamus said:

I about fell out of my chair reading your reply! Finally truth! Remember the art where a little statue of Jesus was put into a bottle of ****? That was mainstream art too! Could you imagine if that was an representation of Allah or Mohammad instead of Jesus?

I can tell you the very most difficult thing in accepting Christianity is to temper my temper! I was an outlaw biker for about ten years (before I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior) The club (not a gang) was the Hells Henchmen Chicago south side, these days I think they switched to Hells Angels Lol. I just got tired of going to more funerals than parties. Changing me took real power, but with God anything is possible...

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Thank you sir, your response was very kind. You are right, the parallels between Christianity and Islam are stark contrasts. No one is saying all Muslims are angry or hateful or belligerent. But that does not change the reality this world has been under the past 50 years and longer. Far, far too many adherents of Islam are not tolerant of infidels. They would gladly see them all destroyed if they would not subject themselves to a forced conversion. Does that sound like the one true God?

Why do so many adversaries of Christianity in the secular world or agnostic world not at least acknowledge the truth about the Christian faith? Why do they look for the sins of the Church but not the virtue, the missionary work the goodness of the message? Is it because they do not want to accept they may be wrong and Jesus Christ just very well may be the One? The one whose many signs and wonders many choose not to accept or think anything of.

As for you, I am sure you have quite a story to tell. How difficult it must have been to escape a lifestyle of rowdiness and living for the moment and egoism. But it must be that the Lord is working on each and every one of us no matter what situation we are in, and sooner or later sometimes a person starts thinking more deeply about life and death and what’s it really all about? God has raised you up (it appears) and now you have to return the favor by being a witness for others. I wish you well.

MrMrdevincamus said:

since you offered no counter argument you have only an opinion of my claim

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And what counter can be given, when your reply will be either that I'm lying, or that the Christian-in-question is a "false Christian"? You may think this makes it "right", but it really just makes it an absurdity. If someone worships Jesus, studies the bible, goes to a Christian church, wears a cross, etc... They are Christian. You don't get to pick and choose your fellows, no matter how vile they act.

I am not saying anything personal against you RP, but you should know better. Maybe you and a couple of other members who criticize everything positive that is said about Christianity in the typical knee jerk fashion,

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You don't know me well enough to assume on what I "should know." Neither do you know me well enough at all to accuse me of Criticizing everything about Christianity.

MrMrdevincamus said:

No one would deny there is violence in the OLD TESTAMENT ... That said we are discussing CHRISTIANITY not Judaism etc. So Christians abide by the examples Jesus provided.

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Aye, and they utilize a lot of things in the Old Testament when it's convenient. Some laws from Leviticus, examples from Exodus and Deuteronomy. Much of Genesis. Your religion is built from Judaism, and to ignore the Old Testament is practically impossible - even if you print out the little books with just the New Testament.

And yet Jesus was not non-violent. Remember the incident in the temple? Flipping tables and whipping people with a knotted rope? Oh, and then don't forget Matthew 10:34-36. You should also know that many Christians also follow the word of Paul, the author of the Epistles. Letters to various cities in the area that include a great deal of violence and threats.

Christianity - in ideological goal - strives to follow the teachings of Jesus. Some succeed. But a religion is built and populated by men, and those often err. You accuse Muslims of being "ordered to commit murder" yet how often does that really happen? I live in a town full of Muslims - we see them walking around in full garb all the time. Yet crime in my town has never come from them. No murders, no honor killings, nothing. Contrary to this, we have hate crimes against Muslims, homosexuals, and Pagans from the Christian community. Excused and ignored because they're "abominations", "blasphemers", "idolaters", or even the excuse of "it's their beliefs." Take a look at American politics, even, and what's going on in favor of your religion.

Then we've got the KKK, the Army of God, Eastern Lightning (the Church of the Almighty God), The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA), The National Liberation Front of Tripura, The Phineas Priesthood - all Christian terrorist groups; as well as several groups in Uganda, where the infamous "Kill all Gays" law was given as a "Christmas present" from their very Christian president.

There are so many examples of how Christianity can do violence and harm with the blessing of both the Church and the law that I don't know where to start.

MrMrdevincamus said:

Ragin Pagan I will own the history of my religion, but that's what it is..... history.

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History is as recent as yesterday, when non-Christians are barred asylum from war-torn nations while Christians get a free pass.

Much of Islam today hasn't changed from when it was founded. Don't believe me? Go to one of their mosques and insult Allah etc. Or write a book called the satanic verses and get a bounty put on your life by a high ranking Islamic authority. Christianity is different.

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So you're saying that I could walk into a church, shout "[REDACTED] Jesus!" and walk out scott free? That Christians don't suppress other beliefs, oppose their displays and insult them, or even go out of their way to destroy them?

Oh, but I forgot; those are "false Christians", right?