Moishe3rd
Yehudi
Don't debate religion...
Most hard core believers, including secularists and Leftists, tend to get testy when you deny that their beliefs are valid.
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Islamic anger
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Most hard core believers, including secularists and Leftists, tend to get testy when you deny that their beliefs are valid.
MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
I agree that Islam is more dangerous than other religions. The reason I believe is that their holy book allows and even encourages murder. Also sharia law is seen by a Muslim to supersede any law of the land. That said my orthopedic MD screwed me (you all get your minds out of that gutter! lol) together after my lower extremities were crushed in a high speed motorcycle crash. She tended to me for a year, knowing I was a Christian, and was a beautiful kind soft spoken intelligent woman. Most Muslims are more like her than BenLaden. Still due to their serious ability to give everything to Allah trusting is more difficult than for those of another religion. Most people should know the majority of Muslims are non-violent. I would also say most non-Muslims don't hate Muslims, they hate violent Muslims. When I wrote about the trade towers and aftermath I began using an 'R' prefix to delineate violent radical Islam/ Muslins or terrorists Moderate nonviolent Muslims. Example; RIslam or RMuslim.
MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
Really....really? Little old christian ladies that spat on you because you said you aren't a christian? I was hard core atheist for the first two decades of my life and well traveled, but never had a christian spit on me for anything! I had never heard of such things until I began interacting on the net where animosity creates such beasts as those spitters ! Also if that did happen of happens often you can be sure our holy book (the new testament) does not promote spitting on anyone for any reason.
MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
It depends on how nice of a smirk you have on your face when you ridicule their lifestyle or call their God a derogatory name or worse. When someone does these things forgive me but it seems like they are trying to get an response of anger. What do they expect when a person suggests the Christian is a liar or disrespects the deity they have chosen to dedicate their life to with insult after insult? This is just a guess but maybe if you or anyone tried to extend respect for our belief systems instead of slinging insults and ridicule you might just get that respect returned.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
I am unconcerned with what your holy book - even one half of it that Evangelicals are prone to focusing on - promotes or says to do. Evidently there are many that ignore it.
MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
I just thought you might want to speak from knowledge rather than from what seems like ignorance. A christian will not be spitting on anyone however a 'want to be' christian might or a false prophet that would be happy to devour the unawares like a raving wolf~
Matthew 7:15. "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
The "No True Scotsman" fallacy never works for anyone.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it is a form of idolatry.
I believe people blashpheme Jesus all the time but in doing so they are blaspheming God. I don't get angry because I know that God is capable of defending Himself and if He wants to get angry those people better run for cover.
I think there should be a big distinction here between "debate" and "discuss". In the context of "debate" I think that the fundamental claims of a perfect book and a perfect prophet make debate less civil.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe a lot depends on what you say. I once told a Pakistani Muslim that Mohammed was an adulterer because he had multiple wives. That didn't go over very well.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I had a Norse person get angry with me for saying his gods are dead. I believe it was not because he didn't know it was true but because the implications are not so wonderful. After all is worshiping a dead god anymore valuable than worshiping a cartoon character?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Well, I don't speak for all "Norse persons" - Heathens, by the way - but neither can I really share in his frustration; any Heathen with eyes can see how silly the claim is, and that the Gods are most certainty not dead.
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Sonny
Active Member
Have you read the Koran? I have- I own one. It's scary! Muslims are taught (it's in the Koran) to kill their enemies. They believe killing for allah is his will. They believe they will some day (soon, if the Democrats get their way) conquer the whole world and force convert or kill all who refuse to convert. That thot, then, gives no room or reason for discussion, to their way of thinking. It is their way or death. The verse in the Bible about Christians having their heads cut off and 'those who do it thinking they are doing God's will', I believe, refers directly to the rise of islam in these days. I could be wrong but I don't think so.
Theweirdtophat
Well-Known Member
You say you're not trying to stir up trouble but that's exactly what you are doing. Do you read your own sentences?
Saying Islam will never reform, that they all must be the same because they read the Quran. That's like Saying Protestants and Catholics are the same because they read the bible. There were some countries that willingly adopted Islam and did not have it forced, but they don't talk about that do they? They don't mention that there are quotes in the Quran that specifically forbid force conversion, to love and tolerate people of other faiths, to avoid torture and so forth. Guess you skipped those parts. but you're going to see messed up stuff in a lot of holy texts anyway. I don't agree with all of Islam but I do agree with some ideas and believe some things in the texts are true Because it was written by multiple people over time like the bible. I don't believe personally it's the word of God but humans interpretation of the word of God
Banning Islam doesn't do jack. Aside from violating the first amendment, it wouldn't do good anyway. You really think they aren't still going to practice it secretly? They won't stop being Muslims because Islam is forbidden. That's how other religions survive. Any religious group that is persecuted will continue to practice their religion anyway.
Muslims have no interest in destroying America. Let's also not pretend that America is a saint either, getting involved in other countries affairs and wondering why they are mad at us. What they do over there is not right either. There's always more than one side to the story.
If you think Islam is the worst religion, you have no idea. There are other religions far worse and far more dangerous. Lots of them however happen to be small secretive cults that are hardcore dangerous but people don't bring them up very often
You have no idea you're being manipulated into hating them. I already know that what you're saying is a lie. If it was remotely true, the Muslim friends I have would never even talk to me, let alone be my friend. They never force converted me. Lots of them want what others want, which is peace. Hundreds of millions of Muslims don't go around force converting everyone they see. There are dangerous Muslim groups and ultra conservative groups that will not tolerate other ideas. Focus on them, not all of Islam itself or all Muslims. There are different Muslims and there are good ones out there, whether you want to admit it or not.
I can't stand it when people say these things and act as if they know the "truth" So few people actually know the truth of things.
MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
My example did not meet the criteria or the NTS fallacy.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Blastcat
Active Member
I debate Christians mostly.. and the bad debaters sometimes use the "I'm so offended" logical fallacy. Yeah.. people with very closed minds who have been thoroughly indoctrinated will NOT necessarily be the most rational people in the world. If someone makes himself UNAVAILABLE for debate, they have abdicated.
If they run and hide due to some insult or whatever, another one bites the dust...
Next.
So, it's incumbent upon us to try at least to keep them interested in honest debate. With fundamentalists, that's never very easy.
It's not just Islam, though.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
But of course it did. "A christian will not be spitting on anyone" infers that Christians never act poorly; that those who do are "false Christians". The NTS fallacy to a T.
