Jesus , Krishna- which of the two is the supreme-god?

ratikala · Jan 31, 2017

Namaskaram Jtartar ji

jtartar said:
paarsurrey,
Neither Jesus nor Krishna was or is the Supreme God.
Jesus, the Christ, was the son of the Almighty God.
Jesus is called a god, the same was true of the rulers of the Jews, Isaiah 9:6, Psalms 82:1,6,7.
At John 10:31-36, Jesus was making the point that they, the rulers of the Jewish people were called gods, and they were going to stone Jesus, because he said that he was the son of God.
Jesus asked his disciples who the people were saying that the son of ma is, Peter answered that he was the Christ, the son of The living God. Jesusthen said that flesh and blood did not reveal that to him, but his Father who is in heaven did, Matthew 16:13-17. Jesus said that God was his God and your God, my Father and your Father, John 20:17. At John 17:3, Jesus said in prayer, that it means eternal life, taking in knowledge of the only true God, and the one that He sent to earth.
Many Bible translators use the same word, in the Christian Greek Scriptures, to refer to both Jesus and God, which makes it difficult at times to know which one the writer was referring to, when they use lord for both.
The Almighty God has many names in the Bible, but all but one were, Proper Adjectives, while God's personal name, Proper Name is YHWH, in Hebrew, and Jehovah in English. This name was in the Original Autographs over 7,000 times, which means to me that God wanted His name known and spoken often. The Jews, because of superstition, thought that God's personal name was too sacred to be spoken by imperfect lips, they stopped speaking His name and The Name's actual pronunciation was lost.
This God is the God that created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them, Acts 17:24-28. God says thatHeis a jealous God, that all should worship only Him, Exodus 34:14. He says thatHe will kill all other, called gods, and all who worship them, Jeremiah 10:11-15, Psalms 115:1-8. Isaiah 44:6.
When God put Adam and Eve on earth He had a purpose, and that purpose has not changed, Isaiah 45:18, Genesis 1:26-28, Isaiah 14:24-26, 55:11.

not to deminish your veiw of God in the least but to inforce that certainly there is one God and one God alone , .......

Krsna in the Gita says , ....

By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.

And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer of all living entities, and although I am everywhere, still My Self is the very source of creation.

As the mighty wind, blowing everywhere, always rests in ethereal space know that in the same manner all beings rest in Me.

O son of Kuntī, at the end of the millennium every material manifestation enters into My nature, and at the beginning of another millennium, by My potency I again create.

The whole cosmic order is under Me. By My will it is manifested again and again, and by My will it is annihilated at the end. ...Ch ..9 V..4 - 8

ratikala · Jan 31, 2017

Namaskaram Jai ji

Jainarayan said:
7.21 is what makes me feel not guilty about raising a mug to Thor.

And 10.20 was 1,000 years BC, literally Before Christ.

What is in the mug ...? ....I half suspect Thor likes Beer ?
oh thats ok , ..but you know what Krsna says , ....

But it is I who am the ritual, I the sacrifice, the offering to the ancestors, the healing herb, the transcendental chant. I am the butter and the fire and the offering.

I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support, and the grandsire. I am the object of knowledge, the purifier and the syllable om. I am also the Ṛk, the Sāma, and the Yajur [Vedas].

I am the goal, the sustainer, the master, the witness, the abode, the refuge and the most dear friend. I am the creation and the annihilation, the basis of everything, the resting place and the eternal seed. ...Ch 9, ....

but its ok , you know that , ...

Jainarayan · Jan 31, 2017

ratikala said:
...

Krsna in the Gita says , ....

By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.

And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. Behold My mystic opulence!
...

Btw, what translation do you use? Is that Prabhupada? I love his prose, his choice of words. To the best of my limited ability teasing out Sanskrit, his is the closest. Tapasyananda is good too.

Jainarayan · Jan 31, 2017

ratikala said:
Namaskaram Jai ji

What is in the mug ...? ....I half suspect Thor likes Beer ?
oh thats ok , ..but you know what Krsna says , ....

But it is I who am the ritual, I the sacrifice, the offering to the ancestors, the healing herb, the transcendental chant. I am the butter and the fire and the offering.

I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support, and the grandsire. I am the object of knowledge, the purifier and the syllable om. I am also the Ṛk, the Sāma, and the Yajur [Vedas].

I am the goal, the sustainer, the master, the witness, the abode, the refuge and the most dear friend. I am the creation and the annihilation, the basis of everything, the resting place and the eternal seed. ...Ch 9, ....

but its ok , you know that , ...

Oh yes indeed, Thor loves his beer. A good dark thick foamy one.

ratikala · Jan 31, 2017

Namaskaram ji

Ellejay said:
So annoying. Neither are gods they are both manifestations of God on earth. They are sent to teach and both are part of the Adamic cycle, sent for a specific group of people. We are now at the beginning of a new era sent for the universe, all of us. I feel like slapping u all in the face but God would not like that, He's much nicer than me. Wake Up!

We will not have slapping in the face !!! certainly this is not nice , Cretainly you may not slap a hindu woman you must regard her as your mother or sister , .....but please let me set you strait Krsna is the Supreme being allthough he may be known by many names , so we must not argue , ....Krsna is a manifestation of him self this he clearly explains , ....So he is the supreme self manifesting to instruct Arjuna in order to see in this new age of Kali , .....

ratikala · Jan 31, 2017

Namaskaram Ji

Jainarayan said:
Btw, what translation do you use? Is that Prabhupada? I love his prose, his choice of words. To the best of my limited ability teasing out Sanskrit, his is the closest. Tapasyananda is good too.

Jai Jai
, ...yes but english translations have been altered a a little from when I first learnt it how ever that hardly matters, I like it because it has the translitteration which i prefer to go by any way , ...

Jainarayan · Jan 31, 2017

Ellejay said:
... sent for a specific group of people.

B- b- but I'm not Indian and I worship Krishna. How is that possible!!??

I feel like slapping u all in the face

I'll let you slap me if I can punch your lights out!!! Deal!? My gods and goddesses are pretty ok with that.

Jainarayan · Jan 31, 2017

ratikala said:
I like it because it has the translitteration which i prefer to go by any way , ...

Yes, exactly. I've even learned a bit that way.

ratikala · Jan 31, 2017

Namaskaram new person , .....

(namaskaram Means I salute the soul at the very core of your being which is a divine spark of the Supreme )

BlaznFattyz said:
There is only one God the Father and his Son who came from him and into this world to save everyone because God loves you. Krishna is a created being who died and will be judged by the Son just like everyone else. Krishna did not die to absolve any sins, nor was he God, but just a mortal being like anyone one of us.

I forgive your not knowing , but Krsna arranged the death of his own mortal body and rose to the Highest heavenly planet , ...no he did not die to absolve your sins , he grants us the blessing of inteligence by which to absolve our own sins , .....this is the correct way for a Hindu , ....we do not want to be saved we want to be blessed with the intelligence to save our selves , but we dont brgrudge you doing it your way so pleasse do not belittle our way , .....

Vinayaka · Jan 31, 2017

Jainarayan said:
I think you're right, but going the other way. I think it's safer to say Christianity - in some respects, but not all anymore - is more like Vaishnavism, which is far older than Christianity.

Mostly its in the dualism philosophy where they are closer. Many Saivas, Shaktas, and Smartas tend to lean to monism. Of course with the concept of avatara, when you don't have it at all, as in Saivism, there really is no place for a Jesus concept.

As for 'tolerance' that really is a whole 'nuther concept. Some people tend to confuse tolerance with compatability, when really they're very different.

Kirran · Jan 31, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Mostly its in the dualism philosophy where they are closer. Many Saivas, Shaktas, and Smartas tend to lean to monism. Of course with the concept of avatara, when you don't have it at all, as in Saivism, there really is no place for a Jesus concept.

As for 'tolerance' that really is a whole 'nuther concept. Some people tend to confuse tolerance with compatability, when really they're very different.

Remember that among the Vaishnava Vedantic schools, only one does not have the term 'nondualism' somewhere in its name.

Depends what you think an avatar is, too. Everyone is an avatar, but we refer to those who have realised that as such, is kinda my angle.

Vinayaka · Jan 31, 2017

Kirran said:
Remember that among the Vaishnava Vedantic schools, only one does not have the term 'nondualism' somewhere in its name.

Depends what you think an avatar is, too. Everyone is an avatar, but we refer to those who have realised that as such, is kinda my angle.

Yes is does depend on a lot of things. Just generally when I see comparisons, they go directly to Vaishnavism, and generally it's Krishna and Christ. Of course there are many other considerations, thoughts and schools all valid, and to be respected. I personally have no concept of avatar, its outside my narrower paradigm. Basically that means I don't believe in it at all. Great realised souls, yes, souls who have incredible wisdom, yes. Bur souls who are God (and only God) walking this planet ... no.

Jainarayan · Jan 31, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Mostly its in the dualism philosophy where they are closer. Many Saivas, Shaktas, and Smartas tend to lean to monism. Of course with the concept of avatara, when you don't have it at all, as in Saivism, there really is no place for a Jesus concept.

No doubt, Christianity is unequivocally dualistic. Purely dvaita, if you will. I'm not wild about that or the dualist philosophies in Vaishnavism. Not all are dualistic though, fortunate for me. Believe it or not, the Bhagavad Gita screams advaita and substance monism, the substance being Brahman.

As for 'tolerance' that really is a whole 'nuther concept. Some people tend to confuse tolerance with compatability, when really they're very different.

And when people try to make them the same, or slam them together, conflict arises. Been there, done that.

paarsurrey · Jan 31, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Ahmadiya is a version of Islam, not Hinduism.

Ahmadiyya is a version of Islam which is inclusive of all the revealed religions revealed on their founders in the origin in any region of the world but that got altered later due to debris of time but revived/refreshed under Ahmadiyya by G-d.
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Aupmanyav · Jan 31, 2017

ratikala said:
I am the Self, ..

I read "I am the self, present in all things .."
When it comes to Ratiben, I am Ratiben; when it comes to Aup, I am Aup.

Aupmanyav · Jan 31, 2017

One cannot talk about Dharmic religions in the same post where Abrahamic religions are talked about. It is an insult to Dharmic religions.

stevevw · Jan 31, 2017

paarsurrey said:
Jesus , Krishna- which of the two is the supreme-god?
Please
Regards

I am not sure about Krishna but Jesus walked the earth a little over 2000 years ago and nearly all historical scholars support this. He claimed to be the promised Messiah for which his coming and life fulfilled over 300 of the Old testament prophecies and He also claimed to be the Son of God. He was crucified and sentenced to death by Pontius Pilot for this claim for which most historical scholars support. John the Baptist who is also supported as a real man also proclaimed Jesus as the promised Messiah and was beheaded which is a historical fact. Jesus is also mentioned in non-biblical literature as being a real figure and one who was either claiming to be the son of God or was followed by others who thought He was the Messiah and were persecuted for their beliefs.

There are many witnesses to Jesus and what he said and many also say He was the Son of God, God himself and the promised Messiah for which scholars say are real persons and their writings are all real for which some were written close to the events that happened. As far as I know Jesus is the only person who has claimed to be the Son of God and also that He and God were one and the same. IT is a historical fact that He was crucified for this claim and maintained this until his death. So He was either a liar, a fool or mad and deluded for doing this. Or He was telling the truth. IT also means that all the other supporters who have been said to be real and what they wrote as real are either liars, deluded or are also telling the truth. From the time of His crucifixion movement has grown to become the greatest religion ever.

ronandcarol · Jan 31, 2017

Jesus , Krishna- which of the two is the supreme-god?
There is only ONE name under heaven by which we can be saved, that is the name of Jesus!

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Vinayaka · Jan 31, 2017

paarsurrey said:
Ahmadiyya is a version of Islam which is inclusive of all the revealed religions revealed on their founders in the origin in any region of the world but that got altered later due to debris of time but revived/refreshed under Ahmadiyya by G-d.
Please
Regards

Since Hinduism is not a revealed religion, then we're out. Thank Siva for that.

sayak83 · Jan 31, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Since Hinduism is not a revealed religion, then we're out. Thank Siva for that.

How are you translating the word "shruti" in English.
https://www.hinduismtoday.com/pdf_downloads/what_is_hinduism/Sec1/WIH_Sec1_Chapter7.pdf

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