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Is Trump Stupid, Mad (NPD) or both.

savagewind

savagewind

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Terrywoodenpic said:
What makes you believe that he thinks about anything but himself..?
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I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt like i give everybody the benefit of the doubt.

I think that he is actually right to address voter fraud to prevent it. Even if he is wrong that it ever really happened within the U.S.A,. if it did happen, it is a very serious problem needing addressing. He might be taking a chance that he will look selfish, or he is selfish. Who am I to judge which?
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Jeremiahcp said:
Trump is a politician and it important we understand that, as that binds him to the rules of the game. And really claiming Trump is not a politician is just a way to say, "He does not have the know how and he does not act like one."
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I agree that he does not know how (is this not obvious?) and that he does not act like one.
 
Toten

Toten

Member
savagewind said:
I think that politics and government are not synonymous.
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pol·i·tics
ˈpäləˌtiks/
noun
  1. the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.
    "the president's relationship with Congress is vital to American politics"
    synonyms: government, affairs of state, public affairs;
    diplomacy
    "a career in politics"
    • the activities of governments concerning the political relations between countries.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Toten said:
pol·i·tics
ˈpäləˌtiks/
noun
  1. the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.
    "the president's relationship with Congress is vital to American politics"
    synonyms: government, affairs of state, public affairs;
    diplomacy
    "a career in politics"
    • the activities of governments concerning the political relations between countries.
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OK. Consider that a win.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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Terrywoodenpic said:
The idea that globalisatin could operate with out rules with out constaints. And out side any jurisdiction, answering to no one. Created a commercial paradise for financiers. And loss of entire industries in every first word country. With out any regard for people or national interest. This was not free trade but freedom to rape and pillage.
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I agree completely here, but this is all the more reason to oppose those who have been responsible for these policies and the globalist philosophy behind it.
 
Upaava

Upaava

Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
Very little remains secret in the USA. so much so that false leaks are as common as real ones, so as to obfuscate the truth.
I am not angry that he has NPD But I am seriously worried by it.
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That's a common belief that fails the test of reality. There are compartmentalized secrets that even the presidents are not privy to. President Carter once admitted that even he was not allowed knowledge of certain subjects.
 
Upaava

Upaava

Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
Very little remains secret in the USA. so much so that false leaks are as common as real ones, so as to obfuscate the truth.
I am not angry that he has NPD But I am seriously worried by it.
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That's a common fallacy that whistleblowers have proven to be false. President Carter once admitted that even he was kept unaware of certain knowledge. The cost of being complacent is very dangerous; we need to pay close attention to the facts being leaked so we can take action to protect our freedoms. Democracy can only work when the people are furnished the truth.
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Anybody who pursues and achieves power, in general is narcissistic. You have to be, especially in our current system. To think that any politician of any power, level, and influence isn't is simply naive.

There are certainly degrees, but, in this case, distinguishing Hillary's narcissism and megalomania from Trump's is a case of fine hair splitting.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Upaava said:
That's a common fallacy that whistleblowers have proven to be false. President Carter once admitted that even he was kept unaware of certain knowledge. The cost of being complacent is very dangerous; we need to pay close attention to the facts being leaked so we can take action to protect our freedoms. Democracy can only work when the people are furnished the truth.
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It is a pity that you could not understand what I had written.
 
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oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Terrywoodenpic said:
It is a pity that you could not understan what I had written.
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The above was sent to another........ It was simply your last post..........

The Thread Title 'Is Trump Stupid, Mad (NPD) or both?'
might be acceptable under the concept of free speech, but imo it's cheap and nasty, ignorant, impolitic and especially 'unscientific' to post anything like that about anyone.

I remember your comments about Baroness Thatcher on the day/week of her death......... so I'm not shocked, just saddened that English Politicians past or present can throw muck like this.

I don't like the idea of a leader like Trump, his ideals, his prejudices, etc, but some nastry leaders have saved countries. Churchill, magnificent indomitable Churchill, was not a nice person. He called people horrible things, eg Yes Madam, I am drunk, and you are ugly, but in the morning I shall be sober! (Lady Astor). How would that monster have managed in a Presidential election? :D

You dropped down upon NPD. When I discovered what it meant I just laughed out loud! I just love it!

1. Pick somebody who you would wish to destroy.
2. Think of anything about their character which might be considered as unpleasant.
3. Search around to see if some cheap quack has given this a new title.
4. If it's not an acknowledged mental disability scrabble about until you find that it could be classed as a Disorder :D .............. ADD, NPD, RCD etc.......
5. Now use that word a lot. Disorder. Personality Disorder etc....
6. And then........ some idiot will comment something like, 'Awwwww Gawdddd........ 'e's so weird!
7. Weird, weird, weird can soon become MENTAL!
8. And there you have the lie:-

'Ow weird! There's this mental geezer wiv somef'in wrong in 'is 'ead, who can shoot off weapons of mass destruction ANYWHERE..... just like that!! Fink o' that...... a weirdo wiv a load of huge bombs!'

Whatever President Trump is, however unlikeable. The Thread title is not true.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
oldbadger said:
The above was sent to another........ It was simply your last post..........

The Thread Title 'Is Trump Stupid, Mad (NPD) or both?'
might be acceptable under the concept of free speech, but imo it's cheap and nasty, ignorant, impolitic and especially 'unscientific' to post anything like that about anyone.

I remember your comments about Baroness Thatcher on the day/week of her death......... so I'm not shocked, just saddened that English Politicians past or present can throw muck like this.

I don't like the idea of a leader like Trump, his ideals, his prejudices, etc, but some nastry leaders have saved countries. Churchill, magnificent indomitable Churchill, was not a nice person. He called people horrible things, eg Yes Madam, I am drunk, and you are ugly, but in the morning I shall be sober! (Lady Astor). How would that monster have managed in a Presidential election? :D

You dropped down upon NPD. When I discovered what it meant I just laughed out loud! I just love it!

1. Pick somebody who you would wish to destroy.
2. Think of anything about their character which might be considered as unpleasant.
3. Search around to see if some cheap quack has given this a new title.
4. If it's not an acknowledged mental disability scrabble about until you find that it could be classed as a Disorder :D .............. ADD, NPD, RCD etc.......
5. Now use that word a lot. Disorder. Personality Disorder etc....
6. And then........ some idiot will comment something like, 'Awwwww Gawdddd........ 'e's so weird!
7. Weird, weird, weird can soon become MENTAL!
8. And there you have the lie:-

'Ow weird! There's this mental geezer wiv somef'in wrong in 'is 'ead, who can shoot off weapons of mass destruction ANYWHERE..... just like that!! Fink o' that...... a weirdo wiv a load of huge bombs!'

Whatever President Trump is, however unlikeable. The Thread title is not true.
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The essence of the thread comes in the first statement...
"There seem to be an alarming number of reports from mental health specialist suggesting that he is suffering from all the symptoms of NPD."

This is an observation, and it is true. That he is suffering from NPD is not my diagnosis it is theirs.
Hence the question. 'Is Trump Stupid, Mad (NPD) or both?'

However It is very plain from his recent outbursts, statements and actions. That his behaviour matches those symptoms exactly. That might be simply coincidence, but coincidences on that scale are diminishingly unlikely.
Is this a risk worth taking? I think not.
However he IS president
Hence my follow up question.
" what provision does the Constitution have to deal with such an eventuality ?"

The thread title is a question. so is neither true nor false

 
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omega2xx

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
Trump does indeed have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

The disorder
From the Mayo Clinic web site

"Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and other areas of their life, such as work or school.

If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — for instance, the best car, athletic club or medical care.

At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior. Or you may feel depressed and moody because you fall short of perfection.

Many experts use the criteria in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, to diagnose mental conditions. This manual is also used by insurance companies to reimburse for treatment.

DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:

Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerating your achievements and talents
Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
Requiring constant admiration
Having a sense of entitlement
Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
Taking advantage of others to get what you want
Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Being envious of others and believing others envy you
Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner​
Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal and value yourself more than you value others."
source​

The Evidence: in part
From The Washington Post

"On the morning after Donald Trump’s inauguration, acting National Park Service director Michael T. Reynolds received an extraordinary summons: The new president wanted to talk to him.

In a Saturday phone call, Trump personally ordered Reynolds to produce additional photographs of the previous day’s crowds on the Mall, according to three individuals who have knowledge of the conversation. The president believed that the photos might prove that the media had lied in reporting that attendance had been no better than average.

Trump also expressed anger over a retweet sent from the agency’s account, in which side-by-side photographs showed far fewer people at his swearing-in than had shown up to see Barack Obama’s inauguration in 2009.

According to one account, Reynolds had been contacted by the White House and given a phone number to call. When he dialed it, he was told to hold for the president.

For Trump, who sees himself and his achievements in superlative terms, the inauguration’s crowd size has been a source of grievance that he appears unable to put behind him. It is a measure of his fixation on the issue that he would devote part of his first morning in office to it — and that he would take out his frustrations on an acting Park Service director.

Word rapidly spread through the agency and Washington. The individuals who informed The Washington Post about the call did so on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the conversation.

On Saturday, the same day Trump spoke with Reynolds, the new president used an appearance at CIA headquarters to deliver a blistering attack on the media for reporting that large swaths of the Mall were nearly empty during the event.

“It’s a lie,” Trump said. “We caught [the media]. We caught them in a beauty.”
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*snip*

Trump, meanwhile, has continued to press the argument that the media has given a misleading account of the crowds that attended his inauguration.

“I had a massive amount of people here,” the president told ABC News anchor David Muir in an interview Wednesday. “They were showing pictures that were very unflattering, as unflattering — from certain angles — that were taken early and lots of other things.”

As he guided Muir through the West Wing, Trump paused at a photo on the wall, taken from behind him as he delivered his inaugural address: “Here’s a picture of the event. Here’s a picture of the crowd. Now, the audience was the biggest ever, but this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.”
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Not on your say so.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Terrywoodenpic said:
I have never sought to define NPD But Trump fits the profile. It hardly needs further confirmation.
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As one who has a son who suffers from bipolar disorder and a granddaughter who suffers from mood disorder, NPD, even though not exactly the same as the above, nevertheless does share many of the symptoms, and these fit Trump to a "T".

But notice I use the term "disorder', because it is not something easily controlled. I asked my 44 year old son if he felt that, based on what he has, could ever see himself as president, and he absolutely not. He's too "flighty", if you know what I mean by that, and he knows it.

It makes me wonder if this is why Ivanka is going to stay in the White House as she may have a soothing effect on him, much like my son's wife has that kind of effect on my son.
 
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