What's God's Big Hangup With Homosexuality?

Prestor John · Jan 24, 2017

columbus said:
It was @Prestor John who posted about the persecution of early Mormons.

It did happen, the evidence is easy to find, but it was a Mormon comparing 200 year old persecution to current persecution.
Tom

This is actually false.

It was you that posted about the persecution of the early Latter-Day Saints. Not me.

I merely commented about your initial mention of the persecution of the early Latter-Day Saints.

Sonny said:
But just to be clear, it didn't happen as the LDS would have you to believe.

Would you mind providing any justification for this claim?

jtartar · Jan 24, 2017

Lyndon said:
What's your big hangup with God????

jeager106 said:
I have two friends, both gay men that live together.
I'm straight, always have been, a natural situation for me.
I'm engaged to a fine lady.
My fiance and I enjoy our gay buddies, sometimes socialize with one another.
My fiance and I seldom even speak of our friends sexuality.
It's just not important to us I suppose.
Both our gay men friends are in recovery from alcohol addiction as am
I.
These men are my A.A. sponsor and co-sponsor. They help guide
me through life's minefields that could jeopardize my sobriety.
What part does being gay play in this life/death struggle for me?
Why NOTHING!
We all attend recovery group meetings and never once have I observed
any ill will towards these gay men. We are all fighting addiction together.
At meetings my sponsor greets me with a kiss. ON THE LIPS.
Affection, not a sexual pass.
I am not offended by this in any way.
Anyone have an issue with my acceptance? Well then meet me on the
playground after school and we'll throw stones at one another.
Cheeesh.
GOD can judge. I can NOT!

Jeager106,
A couple of things to think about!!! Since you know what The Almighty God thinks about homosexuality, you know that you are condoning his sins by associating with him. Consider what the Bible says, Bad associating with him is wrong, therefore a sin, 1Corinthians 15:33, James 3:17, 1John 5:14-16, Romans14:22, Ezekiel 3:18,19.

rusra02 · Jan 24, 2017

Since Jehovah created our ability for sex and procreation, it is logical to me he would have the right to communicate how we should use these gifts. God did not intend for men and women to seek sexual satisfaction with members of their own sex. His word makes it plain that he created the first couple male and female. I believe the sin passed on to us by Adam has resulted in "the inclination of the heart of man [being] bad from his youth up." (Genesis 8:21) Thus, wrong desires for things God disapproves of must be resisted. I believe it is as Jesus said: "That which comes out of a man is what defiles him. For from inside, out of the heart of men, come injurious reasonings, sexual immorality, thefts, murders, acts of adultery, greed, acts of wickedness, deceit, brazen conduct, an envious eye, blasphemy, haughtiness, and unreasonableness. All these wicked things come from within and defile a man." (Mark 7:20-23)

Prestor John · Feb 3, 2017

jtartar said:
Jeager106,
A couple of things to think about!!! Since you know what The Almighty God thinks about homosexuality, you know that you are condoning his sins by associating with him. Consider what the Bible says, Bad associating with him is wrong, therefore a sin, 1Corinthians 15:33, James 3:17, 1John 5:14-16, Romans14:22, Ezekiel 3:18,19.

None of the scriptures you referenced claim that a person condones the sins of others by associating with them.

Please read the entire chapters you have referenced in order to read those verses in the proper context.

No one sins for associating with other sinners. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself associated with sinners and I know He is forever sinless.

vijeno · Feb 9, 2017

Well, you know what they say about homophobes.

psychoslice · Feb 9, 2017

This god that doesn't like homosexuals must be a homophobia, ha, it doesn't say much about him does it ?.

Skwim · Feb 9, 2017

rusra02 said:
Since Jehovah created our ability for sex and procreation, it is logical to me he would have the right to communicate how we should use these gifts. God did not intend for men and women to seek sexual satisfaction with members of their own sex.

Which, along with bestiality, is soundly condemned in the Old Testament, yet while his condemnation of homosexual acts is reiterated in the New Testament, nothing is said about bestiality. Strange that god would continue to condemn homosexuality but no longer condemn bestiality. Yet there are a lot of OT laws and prohibitions that no longer remained in effect after he made his New Covenant.

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Terrywoodenpic · Feb 9, 2017

I have never supposed that God had any hangups with Homosexuality. after all it is a natural part of his creation.
All the hangups are on the part of men and women.

rusra02 · Feb 10, 2017

Skwim said:
Which, along with bestiality, is soundly condemned in the Old Testament, yet while his condemnation of homosexual acts is reiterated in the New Testament, nothing is said about bestiality. Strange that god would continue to condemn homosexuality but no longer condemn bestiality. Yet there are a lot of OT laws and prohibitions that no longer remained in effect after he made his New Covenant.

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I think the Greek term por·neiʹa is a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It would include adultery, prostitution, sex between unmarried persons, homosexuality, and bestiality.
(Acts 15:28,29)

Sleeppy · Feb 10, 2017

@Skwim

God's prime directive for life is continuance through reproduction. Evolutionary theory says the same thing.

It is also considered to be lust, to look at one another as sexual objects or partners before a "marriage" agreement between the two is formed. Again, God favors procreation, and naturally heterosexuality is considered to be blessed. Children are considered to be gifts. So homosexuality is inherently sinful/amiss in that regard; refusing a gift from God, (except by "marriage" agreement, where spiritual and/or physical procreation is maintained if necessary)-- but, likewise barren women, and infertile men; barren land, and drought, are all considered evil.

So there is a caveat sexually, even generally, for mankind as a whole: agree to procreate, and to protect the procreated, physically and spiritually.

Marriage, even where intercourse is not necessary to, or possible for, survival, is an acceptable spiritual offering.

Adoption is an acceptable spiritual offering.

Skwim · Feb 10, 2017

Sleeppy said:
@Skwim

God's prime directive for life is continuance through reproduction. Evolutionary theory says the same thing.

No evolutionary theory says any such thing.

It is also considered to be lust, to look at one another as sexual objects or partners before a "marriage" agreement between the two is formed.

Are you under the impression that whenever someone sees a naked or partially naked body that they lust for it? Here, this may help:

lust

ləst/
noun
noun: lust
1. very strong sexual desire.

Again, God favors procreation, and naturally heterosexuality is considered to be blessed.

He favors procreation over what, watching football? And just what does it mean that heterosexuality is blessed?

Children are considered to be gifts. So homosexuality is inherently sinful/amiss in that regard; refusing a gift from God, (except by "marriage" agreement, where spiritual and/or physical procreation is maintained if necessary)-- but, likewise barren women, and infertile men; barren land, and drought, are all considered evil.

So if children weren't considered to be gifts then homosexuality wouldn't be "inherently sinful/amiss in that regard"?

So there is a caveat sexually, even generally, for mankind as a whole: agree to procreate, and to protect the procreated, physically and spiritually.
Marriage, even where intercourse is not necessary to, or possible for, survival, is an acceptable spiritual offering.
Adoption is an acceptable spiritual offering.

What does this have to do with condemning homosexuality. Can't we have both steak and potatoes?

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ADigitalArtist · Feb 10, 2017

Sleeppy said:
@Skwim

God's prime directive for life is continuance through reproduction. Evolutionary theory says the same thing.

It is also considered to be lust, to look at one another as sexual objects or partners before a "marriage" agreement between the two is formed. Again, God favors procreation, and naturally heterosexuality is considered to be blessed. Children are considered to be gifts. So homosexuality is inherently sinful/amiss in that regard; refusing a gift from God, (except by "marriage" agreement, where spiritual and/or physical procreation is maintained if necessary)-- but, likewise barren women, and infertile men; barren land, and drought, are all considered evil.

So there is a caveat sexually, even generally, for mankind as a whole: agree to procreate, and to protect the procreated, physically and spiritually.

Marriage, even where intercourse is not necessary to, or possible for, survival, is an acceptable spiritual offering.

Adoption is an acceptable spiritual offering.

To elucidate on the evolutionary aspect, the vast majority of social mammalian and birds exhibit homosexual behavior, it's clearly not something that should be thought of as human specific or outside nature. But specifcally, many arrangements of family and social unit exist and have evolved, and much of those has arrangements where not everyone breeds. From meerkat and wolf breeding hierarchies to wild pig sister and surrogate fostering to 'it takes a villiage' multiple parent unit conjoined care.
In birds and primates, same-sex partners adopting children isn't uncommon, so the arrangement is more likely to have some benefit than not.

Gay and lesbian humans also adopt, foster, have children through surrogacy etc.

Sleeppy · Feb 10, 2017

Skwim said:
No evolutionary theory says any such thing.

Are you under the impression that whenever someone sees a naked or partially naked body that they lust for it? Here, this may help:

lust

ləst/
noun
noun: lust
1. very strong sexual desire.

He favors procreation over what, watching football? And just what does it mean that heterosexuality is blessed?

So if children weren't considered to be gifts then homosexuality wouldn't be "inherently sinful/amiss in that regard"?

What does this have to do with condemning homosexuality. Can't we have both steak and potatoes?

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http://evolution.about.com/od/NaturalSelection/a/Survival-Of-The-Fittest.htm said:
Natural selection is the idea that species that acquire adaptations that are favorable for their environment will pass down those adaptations to their offspring. Eventually, only individuals with those favorable adaptations will survive and that is how the species changes over time, or evolves through speciation.

He favors procreation over the alternative, i.e. not producing or not being "fruitful" and multiplying.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-preservation said:
Even the most simple of living organisms (for example, the single-celled bacteria) are typically under intense selective pressure to evolve a response to avoid a damaging environment, if such an environment exists. Organisms also evolve while adapting - even thriving - in a benign environment (for example, a marine sponge modifies its structure in response to current changes, in order to better absorb and process nutrients). Self-preservation is therefore an almost universal hallmark of life. However, when introduced to a novel threat, many species will have a self-preservation response either too specialised, or not specialised enough, to cope with that particular threat.[citation needed]An example is the dodo, which evolved in the absence of natural predators and hence lacked an appropriate, general self-preservation response to heavy predation by humans and rats, showing no fear of them.

Sleeppy · Feb 10, 2017

The Major Transitions In Evolution Revised said:
This chapter highlights Carl Woese’s message about cellular complexity. It addresses the phenotypic distance between a putative, hypothetical ur-replicator or ur-chromosome and anything that can function as a cell that can effectively respond to its environment in ways that maintain its metabolic and physiological integrity. It describes what self-preserving and self-extending behavior in a chemical system minimally involves. This chapter shows that The Major Transitions in Evolution (MTE) assumes that the emergence of a replicating molecular complex coincides with the emergence of structures with self-preserving characteristics. It then speculates a reason why the “missing transition” has not been missed.

Sleeppy · Feb 10, 2017

The crux of the problem lies with that original command to "be fruitful and multiply". It also involves "marriage" agreement and avoidance of lust. And, the exceptions to it were listed in the first post.

Shadow Wolf · Feb 10, 2017

Sleeppy said:
The crux of the problem lies with that original command to "be fruitful and multiply".

We've done exceedingly well at that. If anything, the Earth would breathe a little easier if the population of homosexuals doubled instantly for a few generations and fewer people reproduced for awhile. And there would still be a grand 0% chance of us dying out.

Sleeppy said:
It also involves "marriage" agreement and avoidance of lust.

Then Christians should definitely get on board and let homosexuals get married so they can be married and sin no more.

Sleeppy · Feb 10, 2017

Shadow Wolf said:
We've done exceedingly well at that. If anything, the Earth would breathe a little easier if the population of homosexuals doubled instantly for a few generations and fewer people reproduced for awhile. And there would still be a grand 0% chance of us dying out.

Then Christians should definitely get on board and let homosexuals get married so they can be married and sin no more.

A relational agreement is enough.

psychoslice · Feb 10, 2017

Maybe his jealous that some of us don't do things his way, after all he himself said that he was a jealous god.

Ben Dhyan · Feb 11, 2017

psychoslice said:
Maybe his jealous that some of us don't do things his way, after all he himself said that he was a jealous god.

Are you coming out of the closet?

psychoslice · Feb 11, 2017

ben d said:
Are you coming out of the closet?

No, I was always out of the closet, I was born out of the closet lol.

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