sovietchild
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So, what are those questions you asking then? fire people? and magical beings?
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What is wrong with those people who believe in superstitions?
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So, what are those questions you asking then? fire people? and magical beings?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
They are not rational, sort of like many theists who pretend that they are being rational.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Djin and allah of course.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
If you are promoting Satan on this forum then why do you accuse others of trolling?
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
It's also confirmation bias, where people tend to pay attention to the hits and ignore the misses. That's why all studies on prayer show that prayer doesn't work at a rate better than chance, but believers think it does because they simply ignore all the prayers that don't "come true" and make a big deal about the prayers that do, no matter how far they have to stretch credulity to make those prayers work.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Eh.
Superstition is defined as a commonly held unjustified belief. Supernatural and entities are not always part of superstition. For example, a horse shoe over a door to some people means good luck. Others wards off bad spirits. Depends on the culture. But the definition is just an unjustified belief that many people hold true.
This depends. Horse shoes over doors and salt in corners don't cause harm. It's useful and is equal to not having horse shoes or salt at all. However, if one felt that a paper bag will stop a serious nose bleed and found out that the person had low white blood cell count like my brother, they'd die without medical attention instead. So, it depends. Not that it's not useful; it just means, what type of superstition it is and does that particular superstition prevent people from being hurt or the opposite.
Nothing wrong with that, though.
Eh. Outsiders think that. To us is just preference in belief based on upbringing, community norms, and culture really.
To us, reality is part of the supernatural and visa versa. It can't be separated. The issue is when a Muslim says their view is correct and a Christian says their view is correct. That doesn't mean they are inconsistent within their own groups (pretending their aren't any denominations) but just inconsistent with each other's beliefs.
From an outsider's perspective, I guess it looks like different colors all splashed together in one ugly grayish tone.
Because it isn't morally wrong, and morals are important, then we feel it is useful. Morals are very important in superstitious beliefs if not defines them. Separating them as if they are not useful (general statement) would be saying an imaginary friend isn't useful to a child.
Superstition is defined as a commonly held unjustified belief. Supernatural and entities are not always part of superstition. For example, a horse shoe over a door to some people means good luck. Others wards off bad spirits. Depends on the culture. But the definition is just an unjustified belief that many people hold true.
This depends. Horse shoes over doors and salt in corners don't cause harm. It's useful and is equal to not having horse shoes or salt at all. However, if one felt that a paper bag will stop a serious nose bleed and found out that the person had low white blood cell count like my brother, they'd die without medical attention instead. So, it depends. Not that it's not useful; it just means, what type of superstition it is and does that particular superstition prevent people from being hurt or the opposite.
Nothing wrong with that, though.
Why would you refute it unless it's causing harm to someone else or oneself?
True. I believe in spirits but I dont believe in an entity. I believe in salt in corners and horse shoes but if someone said killing a chicken will rid me off my sins, I'd look at them funny. It depends. I don't see how they contradict each other. Maybe odd that one person believes in X god but not in Y when they are both supernatural; but, to us it's like one person liking chocolate and the other vanilla. It's a part of life. Not supernatural.
Eh. Outsiders think that. To us is just preference in belief based on upbringing, community norms, and culture really.
To us, reality is part of the supernatural and visa versa. It can't be separated. The issue is when a Muslim says their view is correct and a Christian says their view is correct. That doesn't mean they are inconsistent within their own groups (pretending their aren't any denominations) but just inconsistent with each other's beliefs.
From an outsider's perspective, I guess it looks like different colors all splashed together in one ugly grayish tone.
Well, superstitions aren't meant to be "medical cures". Most are attach to religion so they help with the spirit, mind, and thus body cope with life. The "practical" things like medicine and all of that isn't obsolete. It just means we look not only at what we can see but what we cant as well.
Because it isn't morally wrong, and morals are important, then we feel it is useful. Morals are very important in superstitious beliefs if not defines them. Separating them as if they are not useful (general statement) would be saying an imaginary friend isn't useful to a child.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Because some others are trolling.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Is trolling bad?
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Not if it's funny.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Your profile does not provide that answer. It's a relatively simple one; do you believe in signs from your god?
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
“It is He who sends down water from the sky. From it you drink and from it come the shrubs among which you graze your herds. And by it He makes crops grow for you and olives and dates and grapes and fruit of every kind. Therein is certainly a sign in that for people who reflect. He has made the night and the day subservient to you, and the sun, the moon and the stars, all subject to His command. Therein are certainly signs in that for people who use their intellect. And also, the things of varying colors He has created for you in the earth. There is certainly a sign in that for people who pay heed. It is He who made the sea subservient to you so that you can eat fresh flesh from it and bring out from it ornaments to wear. And you see the ships cleaving through it so that you can seek His bounty, and so that perhaps you may show thanks. He cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth so it would not move under you, and rivers, pathways, and landmarks so that perhaps you might be guided. And they are guided by the stars. Is He Who creates like him who does not create? O will you not pay heed?”
(Quran 16:10-17)
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Omen.
Omen.
Omen.
Any time your holy book has employed the use of prophecy, that too is an omen.
What's wrong with all the people seeing omens and superstitions? Look inward.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
What do you think?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
I find nothing wrong with it. But given that you have your own superstitions and omens, perhaps rather than cherry picking my statement take the advice and examine your own beliefs.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"Prophet Muhammad clarified that there was no concept of ill omens in Islam and that belief in ill omens would lead individuals to polytheism (shirk)."
It is very good.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"What's wrong with all the people seeing omens and superstitions? Look inward."
They neither look inwardly nor outwardly correctly. Please
Regards
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Elaborate.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Neither Revelation supports superstition nor science, inwardly or outwardly.
Regards
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Revelation = superstition
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
In all my years I've never seen produced a meaningful distinction between religious faith and superstition. In this, there isn't even much wiggle room for the usual doublespeak and language games used to distract from other 'hard' questions(problem of evil etc).
They are patently the same thing.