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Does God really love everybody?

jorylore

Member
ProfLogic said:
The point is it did not. If it can ressurect itself then there is no risk but it was afraid to go to earth and save humanity, itself. Its like modern generals who send kids to die but are not men enough to fight besides them. Back to the bible, according to the translated bible, jesus says "thy will be done". It sure doesn't look like he volunteered for the task.

Future king of the kingdon, why is the bible god retiring or something or maybe it would also kill itself in the end, that would be a sight to see.

Again! He could not have come to earth. Not that he wouldn't, he couldn't. It would have been like putting the sun inside a plastic bag. Impossible. God could not come to earth and walk about like a man. So, he could not give his perfect human life for our sins b/c he could not become human. He did however make the means possible for forgiveness, instead of just leaving us without a hope.

As for when Jesus said "thy will be done" he was showing his perfect submission to God's will which he was in complete agreement with. He was second in command in heavan. If he had not wanted to come to earth he would not have, "although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. .. he emptied himself and took a slaves form and came to be in the likeness of men. More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death..." (Phil. 2:6-8)

He did it b/c he wanted to. He did not have to nor was he forced.

As for the king of the kingdom, if you really want to know read 1 Cor. 15:24-28.
 

egroen

Member
One of the basic tenets of Christianity (which just happens to be part of my signature), is "Love the sinner, hate the sin".

I believe this to be such a cop out. Nowhere is this in the Bible; any version. It's true that God tells us to love one another as he loved us. It's also true that God says *he* hates sin. But christians have taken these two diverse statements and made them into a defense for mistreating countless others of different faiths, view points and lifestyles. When attacked for their judgmental attitudes against gays, for instance, this phrase becomes the catch-all defense as to why their actions are okay in "God's eyes." By denying a gay man a right to equal and fair treatment under the law, christians aren't "hating" the sinner - they're merely showing their displeasure with the sin. By using the national media to claim that gays are sick and need healing, they aren't showing "hate" - they're merely trying to "love" them by showing they need to be "healed."

Many christians forget that we're not told to "hate the sin." We're told to forgive the sin.

-Erin
 
egroen said:
I believe this to be such a cop out. Nowhere is this in the Bible; any version. It's true that God tells us to love one another as he loved us. It's also true that God says *he* hates sin. But christians have taken these two diverse statements and made them into a defense for mistreating countless others of different faiths, view points and lifestyles. When attacked for their judgmental attitudes against gays, for instance, this phrase becomes the catch-all defense as to why their actions are okay in "God's eyes." By denying a gay man a right to equal and fair treatment under the law, christians aren't "hating" the sinner - they're merely showing their displeasure with the sin. By using the national media to claim that gays are sick and need healing, they aren't showing "hate" - they're merely trying to "love" them by showing they need to be "healed."

Many christians forget that we're not told to "hate the sin." We're told to forgive the sin.

-Erin

Amen that. :yes:
 
egroen said:
I believe this to be such a cop out. Nowhere is this in the Bible; any version. It's true that God tells us to love one another as he loved us. It's also true that God says *he* hates sin. But christians have taken these two diverse statements and made them into a defense for mistreating countless others of different faiths, view points and lifestyles. When attacked for their judgmental attitudes against gays, for instance, this phrase becomes the catch-all defense as to why their actions are okay in "God's eyes." By denying a gay man a right to equal and fair treatment under the law, christians aren't "hating" the sinner - they're merely showing their displeasure with the sin. By using the national media to claim that gays are sick and need healing, they aren't showing "hate" - they're merely trying to "love" them by showing they need to be "healed."

Many christians forget that we're not told to "hate the sin." We're told to forgive the sin.

-Erin

Amen that. :yes:
 
egroen said:
I believe this to be such a cop out. Nowhere is this in the Bible; any version. It's true that God tells us to love one another as he loved us. It's also true that God says *he* hates sin. But christians have taken these two diverse statements and made them into a defense for mistreating countless others of different faiths, view points and lifestyles. When attacked for their judgmental attitudes against gays, for instance, this phrase becomes the catch-all defense as to why their actions are okay in "God's eyes." By denying a gay man a right to equal and fair treatment under the law, christians aren't "hating" the sinner - they're merely showing their displeasure with the sin. By using the national media to claim that gays are sick and need healing, they aren't showing "hate" - they're merely trying to "love" them by showing they need to be "healed."

Many christians forget that we're not told to "hate the sin." We're told to forgive the sin.

-Erin

Amen that. :yes:
 
egroen said:
I believe this to be such a cop out. Nowhere is this in the Bible; any version. It's true that God tells us to love one another as he loved us. It's also true that God says *he* hates sin. But christians have taken these two diverse statements and made them into a defense for mistreating countless others of different faiths, view points and lifestyles. When attacked for their judgmental attitudes against gays, for instance, this phrase becomes the catch-all defense as to why their actions are okay in "God's eyes." By denying a gay man a right to equal and fair treatment under the law, christians aren't "hating" the sinner - they're merely showing their displeasure with the sin. By using the national media to claim that gays are sick and need healing, they aren't showing "hate" - they're merely trying to "love" them by showing they need to be "healed."

Many christians forget that we're not told to "hate the sin." We're told to forgive the sin.

-Erin

Amen that. :yes:
 
egroen said:
I believe this to be such a cop out. Nowhere is this in the Bible; any version. It's true that God tells us to love one another as he loved us. It's also true that God says *he* hates sin. But christians have taken these two diverse statements and made them into a defense for mistreating countless others of different faiths, view points and lifestyles. When attacked for their judgmental attitudes against gays, for instance, this phrase becomes the catch-all defense as to why their actions are okay in "God's eyes." By denying a gay man a right to equal and fair treatment under the law, christians aren't "hating" the sinner - they're merely showing their displeasure with the sin. By using the national media to claim that gays are sick and need healing, they aren't showing "hate" - they're merely trying to "love" them by showing they need to be "healed."

Many christians forget that we're not told to "hate the sin." We're told to forgive the sin.

-Erin

Amen that. :yes:
 

Bick

Member
Bick here for the first time. Arrow, your question was, "Does God really love everybody?" I can only give my views based upon the Bible, not man's logic, for from man's logic one might conclude that God is a hateful, spiteful, fiend.

It's true, from much of the accounts in the Bible, particularly in the OT, God drowned all of the air breathing animals as well as man, who were involved in the flood, except Noah, his wife, three sons and their wives; And God commanded Israel to slaughter those in the cities they conquered, men, women, children and even animals; there are other stories where God, or his angels, did the killing.

Yes, we read many places of His anger being kindled, particularly against a disobedient Israel, yet we also read that His anger is short but His blessings last a life time: here are a few: "For his anger lasts only a moment, but his favor last a lifetime." Psa. 30:3; "The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love. He will not always accuse, nor will he harbor his anger forever." Psa.103:8,9; and Psa.145:8, "The Lord is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love." From the NIV.

It is my belief that John 3:16 is true and expresses God's heart. "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son..." That's how much God loves the world of mankind. Christ willingly gave up his life, shed his blood for the sins of the world. In 2 Cor. 5:19, it says, "..God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And has committed to us the message of reconciliation." NIV.

Since God is love, I understand that the greatest way he reveals his love is to be our Saviour. And mankind needs a Saviour for we are 'lost in sin', we miss the mark of what a true man should be. And this started with Adam who disobeyed God's command to 'not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil'. This is clearly set forth in Romans 5:12-21, that sin entered the world through Adam, and through sin death, and thus death came to all men. And it follows that "the wages of sin is death", Rom. 6:23, but the gift of God is eternal (aionian Gk.) life through Christ Jesus.

It is my belief that although the Bible records many accounts of death and destruction, and speaks of enemies of God both in the heavens and on earth, it also reveals that it is God's plan to someday reconcile the universe to himself: from Col.1:19 & 20, speaking of Christ: "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile all things, whether things on earth or things in heavens, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. NIV.

During the ages there have been believers and unbelievers. Israel, for much of their history, was nationally in unbelief, even in idolatry. They should have spread the message of the one true God to the other nations, but failed. And they have been scattered among the nations. Oh yes, there is an "Israel" today, but not in true belief. But at the proper time, God will bring believers back to their promised land when Christ Jesus, their Messiah, returns to the earth to inaugurate the Millennial Kingdom.

Today, since the time of Paul 'going to the nations', God is calling out the church, the body of Christ. We are to be his servants now, witnessing to the world, awaiting the catching away of the resurrected "dead in Christ", as well as those still alive who will be changed. See 1 Cor. 15:51-57 and 1 Thes. 4:15-18.

And here is the glorious part, the future of Christ' body, to be heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ in the heavenlies. See Eph. 1:3-23. While Satan is not there, there are other spirit beings: called "principalities(rulers), powers, authorities, in the heavenlies, that is, out in the universe, who will be witnessed to, by the church/body, the manifold wisdom and grace of God. Read the first four chapters of Ephesians.

As for unbelievers in ages past and now, there will be a time of judging at the great white throne, when the dead will have been resurrected. Out of this great gathering there will be those deserving of life, and their names will have been written in the book of life; all others, after giving account of their deeds, are cast into the lake of fire, and die again. See Rev. 20

But, that is not their end. Appearing before Christ in all his glory, with myriads of angels, there will be no unbelieving sinner who will not confess that Jesus is Lord. They will die and not be apart of the New Earth, which is the last age in God's great plan. I Cor. 15:20-28 informs us that all in Adam are dying, yet the same all, in Christ will be made alive, but each in his own turn. Christ , the firstfruit; then in his presence those who belong to him; thereafter the end when he hands over the kingdom to God, the Father, after he has nullified all dominion, authority and power.

So, Paul tells us that all will be made alive, that is, without dying again. Also, to confirm this, vs. 25 (CV) says "For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy being abolished is death."

Thus, with death gone there is only life. And you may ask, "what about sin?" Even though Christ died for the sins of the world, there is still sin in the world. There is an answer. Heb. 9:27 in Rotharham N.T., reads, "But now, once for all, upon a conjunction of the ages, for a setting aside of sin, through means of his sacrifice, has he been made manifest." At that time, the end of the ages, sin will be set aside, be repudiated. Then, there will be no death, no sin, and in the whole universe, every knee will bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord (Phil.2:9-11). And with all enemies subject to Christ, Christ himself becomes subject to the God and Father, that God may be All in all

I realize this is long and stretched out, but I just couldn't shorten it much, when setting forth God's love and plan for all His creation.

Bick
 

egroen

Member
Psalms 5:4-6
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

-Erin
 

Truth101

Member
jorylore said:
Arrow said:
I have been borned and raised in a pool of Christianity, and i have always been taught that God loves everyone. Even when He is ordered the Isrealites to wage war and kill all the men, women, and children of another society. The big question i have though is does God still love Satan?


God loves mankind. He proved this by sending his son to die for our sins. But as individuals we have to respond by being obedient to him. His love means that he can't forever tolerate evil. Satan is God's enemy. I would say it's safe to say that he does not love him.

Salvation was given as a gift, with nothing required from us at all, absolutely nothing. Admittance into the Kingdom is offered and requires our obedience.
Just a note here. Satan is not Gods enemy, he is mans adversary. You will find no reference to Satan being Gods enemy in the bible. He was created as mans enemy from the beginning. Infact Satan has to report to God and present himself to Him.
God bless, Dave
 

Truth101

Member
bibleonly said:
God doesn't love everyone. God choses who he wants to Love.

God loves His whole creation but He choses who will recieve judgment. Disobedient creation recieves correction and punishment. The flesh profits nothing and each person dies a physical death within 120 years but the spirit lives on forever. Gods judgment and correction is temporal but the desired result are forever. All creation will learn righteousness in this lifetime or in the next age.

God bless, Dave
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
bibleonly said:
God doesn't love everyone. God choses who he wants to Love.

:faint: You kill me. You really kill me. This thought is neither promoted Biblically or traditionally.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
bibleonly said:
God say's in Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob I have loved, but Esau have I Hated.

Proof-texting. :redcard:

If you'll read the whole passage, you'll find that the issue isn't about love or hate, it's about election. Unfortunately, we are limited to talking about God anthropomorphically. If God is love, then God does not hate.
 

Faint

Well-Known Member
God loves everyone. He even loves some people enough to have them tortured in Hell for all eternity.

Now maybe we should debate what God's version of "love" actually is.
 

bibleonly

Member
The context in Romans 3 is about the election of God: God who is King, and man are servants. IT is God the elects or MAKES THE CHOICE who will be spared from ETERNAL DAMNATION. Its not based of any works of man, notice verse 11 in Romans 3 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God might stand, not of works but of God that calls.
 
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