Seventy weeks (490) in Daniel 9:24-27

Brian Schuh · Jan 18, 2017

The Hebrew if Daniel 9 says, after 7 heptods (literally sevens, without specifying days or years but rather groups of sevens= heptods.) After 7 sevens an anointed one will arrive, and then during 62 sevens the city will be rebuilt. Then in the midst of a seven, an anointed one will be cut off. Then at the end of that seven an army will come and destroy the temple.

The Hebrew does not say an anointed one will come after 7 and 62 sevens. The Hebrew is clear the anointed one will come in only 7 sevens. And the city will be rebuilt in 62 sevens and then an anointed one will be cut off in the midst of the last seven. And it doesn't specify 3 and 1/2 years, but rather, in the midst of a seven. After which the city is destroyed. Learn Hebrew.

Dawnofhope · Jan 19, 2017

Brian Schuh said:
Learn Hebrew.

Would love to but know if I will find the time. What's the best English translation of the Hebrew Bible?

Dawnofhope · Jan 19, 2017

omega2xx said:
I have never found a good answer to that question. I have an answer that even I don't like. I have commentary on Daniel that I will restudy this week and to find a good answer. If I do I will get back to you in a few . If I don't I will you my best guess.

I have an explanation or this I find satisfying. I don't know if you will agree. Lets hear your answer and I'm happy to share mine.

omega2xx · Jan 19, 2017

adrianhindes said:
I have an explanation or this I find satisfying. I don't know if you will agree. Lets hear your answer and I'm happy to share mine.

Good. I will try to get back to you no later than this week-end.

Brian Schuh · Jan 19, 2017

adrianhindes said:
Would love to but know if I will find the time. What's the best English translation of the Hebrew Bible?

The JPS (Jewish Publication Society) has an excellent translation. Artscroll publishers have a translation that is more orthodox.

A translation that is too literal is like a lie. But if it is too much a paraphrase, it loses a lot of what it means and can be misleading. The JPS translation strikes a good balance by being mostly but not entirely literal.

Ben Avraham · Jan 21, 2017

adrianhindes said:
In the Book of Daniel 9:24-27 seven seventies are decreed:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Interestingly Jesus refers to seven seventies when asked how many times we should forgive someone.

"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."
Matthew 18:21-22

And Jesus refers to Daniel 9:26-27 through Matthew 24:15 in regards the abomination that causes desolation.

It is the only instance I'm aware of where Jesus directs us to an old testament prophecy twice so I believe it is an essential key for unlocking prophecy. What do you think the seventy sevens or seventy weeks means?

The prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 was given in weeks. So, 70 weeks equal to 70 years. Evidence of the fact is in the historical time the Jews spent in exile in Babylon. Not a single year more or less. If you read Jeremiah 29:10, "Only after 70 years are over will I take notice of you." In fact, the Jews returned home only after 70 years were over. The idea of 490 years has no use historically for being a Christian attempt to connect that prophecy with Jesus. Obviously, it is a forgery intent on Replacement Theology.

Dawnofhope · Jan 22, 2017

Ben Avraham said:
The prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 was given in weeks. So, 70 weeks equal to 70 years. Evidence of the fact is in the historical time the Jews spent in exile in Babylon. Not a single year more or less. If you read Jeremiah 29:10, "Only after 70 years are over will I take notice of you." In fact, the Jews returned home only after 70 years were over. The idea of 490 years has no use historically for being a Christian attempt to connect that prophecy with Jesus. Obviously, it is a forgery intent on Replacement Theology.

How about each day meaning a year, as some other prophecies, Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:4-6?

By the way, what's the best authorised English translation of the Hebrew Bible assuming one exists?

Ben Avraham · Jan 26, 2017

adrianhindes said:
How about each day meaning a year, as some other prophecies, Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:4-6?

By the way, what's the best authorised English translation of the Hebrew Bible assuming one exists?

It depends; to Christians is the KJV; to us is the JPS. Now, for the year-day it has to be clearly stated thus. In Daniel 9:24-27 it is stated in weeks-years. So, it has to be 70week-years. If it has to be according to the day-year as you imply above, how many years did Jesus spend in the tomb, 3 days or 3 years? See what I mean now?

omega2xx · Jan 26, 2017

adrianhindes said:
I have an explanation or this I find satisfying. I don't know if you will agree. Lets hear your answer and I'm happy to share mine.

Sorry I have taken so long. The best I can come up with is it is the time from the edict to rebuild the temple to either the birth of Jesus or the death of Jesus. Both are about as satisfying as a brothe kissing his sister.

Hope you have something more satisfying.

Dawnofhope · Jan 27, 2017

omega2xx said:
Sorry I have taken so long. The best I can come up with is it is the time from the edict to rebuild the temple to either the birth of Jesus or the death of Jesus. Both are about as satisfying as a brothe kissing his sister.

Hope you have something more satisfying.

Thank you for contributing to this thread. Your responses are actually the closest anyone contributing to this thread has come to answering this, reflecting the time you have put into studying and teaching about these verses.

Here are my thoughts and I'd be interested to hear your reflections.

As you have stated in Biblical terms each day is a year:
Numbers 14:34: The Israelites will wander for 40 years in the wilderness, one year for every day spent by the spies in Canaan
Ezekiel 4:5-6: The prophet Ezekiel is commanded to lie on his left side for 390 days, followed by his right side for 40 days, to symbolize the equivalent number of years of punishment on Israel and Judah respectively.
Therefore, 490 days are 490 years!

By the martyrdom of Christ the sacrifice is accomplished and the temple of Christ's destroyed. He is to become the new object of adoration and worship, and the Jewish temple is to be destroyed. These seventy weeks begin with the restoration and the rebuilding of Jerusalem, concerning which four edicts were issued by three kings:

The first was issued by Cyrus in the year 536 B.C.; this is recorded in the first chapter of the Book of Ezra. The second edict, with reference to the rebuilding of Jerusalem, is that of Darius of Persia in the year 519 B.C.; this is recorded in the sixth chapter of Ezra. The third is that of Artaxerxes in the seventh year of his reign—that is, in 457 B.C.; this is recorded in the seventh chapter of Ezra. The fourth is that of Artaxerxes in the year 444 B.C.; this is recorded in the second chapter of Nehemiah.

But Daniel refers especially to the third edict which was issued in the year 457 B.C. Christ was 33 when He was martyred and ascended. When you add 33 to 457, the result is 490, which is the time announced by Daniel for the coming of Christ.

When Jesus on the Mount of Olives mentions the abomination of desolation in Daniel He is also indicating the fulfilment of prophecies in Daniel 9:24-27. Once this is understood then further insight can be appreciated by further analysis of these key verses.

I'll post more about these verses of Daniel when I have time, should you be interested

Dawnofhope · Jan 27, 2017

omega2xx said:
Sorry I have taken so long. The best I can come up with is it is the time from the edict to rebuild the temple to either the birth of Jesus or the death of Jesus. Both are about as satisfying as a brothe kissing his sister.

Hope you have something more satisfying.

I currently facilitate a bible study group and have just prepared this material:
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

How long is seventy weeks in biblical terms?

490 Years

What is the Holy City?

Jerusalem

What does “Finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity” refer to?

Daniel 9 begins with Daniel praying to God on behalf of His people. At the time the Hebrews had been exiled and this was a direct consequence of their failure to adhere to the Eternal Covenant God made with Moses, Noah, and Abraham.

‘To bring everlasting righteousness’. What does this mean and how could it happen?

Jesus would partially fulfil this prophecy by bringing a New Covenant (Jerimiah 31:31). The Returned Christ will completely fulfil it Jeremiah 31:31-34)

‘To seal up vision and prophecy’ and ‘anoint the most Holy’– What does this mean?

Jesus would fulfil this prophecy in Daniel and that is part of what He eluded to on the Mount of Olives. Jesus was anointed in the lead up to His Crucifixion.

25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

What is this commandment to restore and build Jerusalem?

It was the command issued by Artaxerxes 457 B.C as unlike the previous 2 decrees this was the one that was acted on. The decree in regards to the wall and gate was not the one as the rebuildin gof Jerusalem was well advanced at that stage.

And the Messiah the Prince?

Jesus the Christ

Does this refer to the same time period as above and if so why the division into distinct periods?

It refers to the same period but is divided up to emphasize the importance of the first seven weeks (49 years) with the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the last week when Christ was Manifested.

Where is the missing week?

Daniel 9:27

“the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.” Why refer to these aspects?

The completeness of reconstruction of Jerusalem which will have important symbolic significance eg book of Revelation.

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

When is ‘after threescore and two weeks’?

The last week where Christ is manifested.

‘The Messiah shall be cut off’ ‘but not for himself’ What does this mean?

He will sacrifice Himself for the Salvation of humanity.

‘and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary’ ? Meaning?

The Jews who have put to death their Messiah, in turn have their temple and Jerusalem destroyed by the Romans.

‘and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined’? Meaning?

Life is going to become very difficult for God's chosen people

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Is this the missing week?

Yes

What is the Covenant? What other Covenants are there in the bible?

The New Covenant prophesised in Jeremiah 31:31 symbolised at the last supper.

‘Shall cause sacrifice and oblation to cease’ Meaning?

Sacrifice at the temple ends with the destruction the temple. Jesus is the new focal point of worship.

‘And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate’ Meaning?

The Jews will experience many abominations that result in desolation of a long period of time.

‘even until the consummation ’ Meaning?

The Return of Christ ends this for the Jews (Bridal symbolism - Matthew 25 and book of Revelation)

‘and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.’ Meaning?

The Returned Christ's love will be poured upon the Jews. They will be the first as a Nation to recognise the Returned Christ.

Feel free to add comments or suggest amendments

omega2xx · Jan 27, 2017

adrianhindes said:
Thank you for contributing to this thread. Your responses are actually the closest anyone contributing to this thread has come to answering this, reflecting the time you have put into studying and teaching about these verses.

Here are my thoughts and I'd be interested to hear your reflections.

As you have stated in Biblical terms each day is a year:
Numbers 14:34: The Israelites will wander for 40 years in the wilderness, one year for every day spent by the spies in Canaan
Ezekiel 4:5-6: The prophet Ezekiel is commanded to lie on his left side for 390 days, followed by his right side for 40 days, to symbolize the equivalent number of years of punishment on Israel and Judah respectively.
Therefore, 490 days are 490 years!

By the martyrdom of Christ the sacrifice is accomplished and the temple of Christ's destroyed. He is to become the new object of adoration and worship, and the Jewish temple is to be destroyed. These seventy weeks begin with the restoration and the rebuilding of Jerusalem, concerning which four edicts were issued by three kings:

The first was issued by Cyrus in the year 536 B.C.; this is recorded in the first chapter of the Book of Ezra. The second edict, with reference to the rebuilding of Jerusalem, is that of Darius of Persia in the year 519 B.C.; this is recorded in the sixth chapter of Ezra. The third is that of Artaxerxes in the seventh year of his reign—that is, in 457 B.C.; this is recorded in the seventh chapter of Ezra. The fourth is that of Artaxerxes in the year 444 B.C.; this is recorded in the second chapter of Nehemiah.

But Daniel refers especially to the third edict which was issued in the year 457 B.C. Christ was 33 when He was martyred and ascended. When you add 33 to 457, the result is 490, which is the time announced by Daniel for the coming of Christ.

When Jesus on the Mount of Olives mentions the abomination of desolation in Daniel He is also indicating the fulfilment of prophecies in Daniel 9:24-27. Once this is understood then further insight can be appreciated by further analysis of these key verses.

I'll post more about these verses of Daniel when I have time, should you be interested

I am always interested in leaning something from God's word. You even corrected me about something I said. I thought the reference in Nehemiah as to rebuild the temple, but as you said it was to rebuild Jerusalem. Gotta quit relying on my failing memory.

omega2xx · Jan 27, 2017

adrianhindes said:
I currently facilitate a bible study group and have just prepared this material:
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

How long is seventy weeks in biblical terms?

490 Years

What is the Holy City?

Jerusalem

What does “Finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity” refer to?

Daniel 9 begins with Daniel praying to God on behalf of His people. At the time the Hebrews had been exiled and this was a direct consequence of their failure to adhere to the Eternal Covenant God made with Moses, Noah, and Abraham.

‘To bring everlasting righteousness’. What does this mean and how could it happen?

Jesus would partially fulfil this prophecy by bringing a New Covenant (Jerimiah 31:31). The Returned Christ will completely fulfil it Jeremiah 31:31-34)

‘To seal up vision and prophecy’ and ‘anoint the most Holy’– What does this mean?

Jesus would fulfil this prophecy in Daniel and that is part of what He eluded to on the Mount of Olives. Jesus was anointed in the lead up to His Crucifixion.

25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

What is this commandment to restore and build Jerusalem?

It was the command issued by Artaxerxes 457 B.C as unlike the previous 2 decrees this was the one that was acted on. The decree in regards to the wall and gate was not the one as the rebuildin gof Jerusalem was well advanced at that stage.

And the Messiah the Prince?

Jesus the Christ

Does this refer to the same time period as above and if so why the division into distinct periods?

It refers to the same period but is divided up to emphasize the importance of the first seven weeks (49 years) with the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the last week when Christ was Manifested.

Where is the missing week?

Daniel 9:27

“the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.” Why refer to these aspects?

The completeness of reconstruction of Jerusalem which will have important symbolic significance eg book of Revelation.

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

When is ‘after threescore and two weeks’?

The last week where Christ is manifested.

‘The Messiah shall be cut off’ ‘but not for himself’ What does this mean?

He will sacrifice Himself for the Salvation of humanity.

‘and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary’ ? Meaning?

The Jews who have put to death their Messiah, in turn have their temple and Jerusalem destroyed by the Romans.

‘and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined’? Meaning?

Life is going to become very difficult for God's chosen people

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Is this the missing week?

Yes

What is the Covenant? What other Covenants are there in the bible?

The New Covenant prophesised in Jeremiah 31:31 symbolised at the last supper.

‘Shall cause sacrifice and oblation to cease’ Meaning?

Sacrifice at the temple ends with the destruction the temple. Jesus is the new focal point of worship.

‘And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate’ Meaning?

The Jews will experience many abominations that result in desolation of a long period of time.

‘even until the consummation ’ Meaning?

The Return of Christ ends this for the Jews (Bridal symbolism - Matthew 25 and book of Revelation)

‘and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.’ Meaning?

The Returned Christ's love will be poured upon the Jews. They will be the first as a Nation to recognise the Returned Christ.

Feel free to add comments or suggest amendments

Here are the notes i used when I taught Daniel. I didn't compare our differences and agreements. Hope something in them might help if it isn't to late.

V24-27 - THE PROPHECY—DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS
Some consider this the greatest prophecy in the Bible.

V24 – The word for "weeks" literally means a unit of 7. There has been a lot of discussion about the length of time this represents. Most conservative scholars say "weeks" represent years(Lev 25:8).

Finish the Transgression – Some see this as Israel's rejection of the Messiah.

Make an end to Sin – This has the thought of restraining sin, like putting someone in prison. The thought is that the sin is removed from God's sight. This may be a reference to the final judgment or it may refer

to what happens when someone accepts Christ as their Savior.

Rom 6:7 – He who has died(in Christ) is freed from sin.

Make Atonement for iniquity – This is probably refers to the crucifixion.

Seal up Vision and Prophecy – When Christ begins to reign, all prophecy will have been completed.

Anoint the most holy(place is in italics) – Some see this as anointing the Holy of Holies in the heavenly temple; others see it as anointing Christ as the heavenly king.

V25-26 – The seventy weeks are divided into 3 parts. The prophecy clock started in 445 B.C. when Artaxerxes allowed Nehemiah to return to Jerusalem to rebuild Jerusalem.

7 weeks – 49 years – It isn't clear to what this refers. Some see it as referring to the end of the O.T. Cannon. Others see it as referring to the time of completing the rebuilding of Jerusalem.

62 weeks – 434 years - Messiah cut off – Jesus crucified.

Sir Robert Anderson calculated that from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the first Palm Sunday was 483 years.

When Christ was crucified, the prophecy clock stopped. It will start again

When the antichrist begins to rule(between the 6th and 7th trumpet of Rev).

V27 – The Final Week in Human History

1 Week – 7 years – The time of the antichrist.

Some teach that the great tribulation will last 7 years. However, this verse seems to indicated the rule of antichrist will be 7 years—3 ½ years of peace and 3 ½ years of persecution.

I believe there will be 7 years between the 6th and 7th trumpets.

Rev 11:2 – 42 months - 3 1/2 years.

3 – 1260 days – 3 1/2 years.

Of course these verses would have to occur in reverse order for me to be right. However, I think that when the time is referred to in months, it indicates Satan's activities and days seems to indicate God's activities.

In the middle of the week, the antichrist will put an end to sacrifices. This would indicate the temple must be rebuilt.

7:27 – The prophecy ends with the destruction of the antichrist. We would assume that this is when Christ begins to rule and this happens right after the 7th trumpet(Rev 11:15).

Here we also see a reference to the "abomination of desolation" that Matthew 24:15 mentions that precedes the great tribulation(Mt 24:21).

Dawnofhope · Mar 13, 2017

I'm preparing a draft commentary of Daniel 9:24-27 from a Baha'i perspective.

These four verses are important for a complete understanding of both the New and Old Testaments of the Christian Bible. Through a careful study of these verses we are better able to appreciate how Jesus is the fulfilment of this important Old Testament prophecy. Amongst the insights gained we understand the use of important numbers in apocalyptic scripture and how the relate to important dates for both Christ and His return. The key number in this prophecy is 490 which related to the number of years from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem in 457 BC to Christ's crucifixion at age 33 years. Understanding this will enable us better comprehend the numbers 1260, 1290, 1335, and 2300. I hope to prepare another thread to explore how these numbers relate to key dates in the Baha'i revelation through the advent of the twin Manifestations of God, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Verse 24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

How long is seventy weeks in biblical terms?

490 Years

In Biblical terms each day is a year:
Numbers 14:34: The Israelites will wander for 40 years in the wilderness, one year for every day spent by the spies in Canaan
Ezekiel 4:5-6: The prophet Ezekiel is commanded to lie on his left side for 390 days, followed by his right side for 40 days, to symbolize the equivalent number of years of punishment on Israel and Judah respectively.
Therefore, 490 days are 490 years!

What is the Holy City?

Jerusalem

What does “Finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity” refer to?

Daniel 9 begins with Daniel praying to God on behalf of His people. At the time the Hebrews had been exiled and this was a direct consequence of their failure to adhere to the Eternal Covenant God made with Moses, Noah, and Abraham.

‘To bring everlasting righteousness’. What does this mean and how could it happen?

Jesus would partially fulfil this prophecy by bringing a New Covenant (Jerimiah 31:31) along with many other Old testament prophecies. The Returned Christ will completely fulfil it (Jeremiah 31:31-34) along with the remaining Old Testament prophecies and those in the New Testament.

‘To seal up vision and prophecy’ and ‘anoint the most Holy’– What does this mean?

Jesus would fulfil this prophecy in Daniel and that is part of what He eluded to on the Mount of Olives. Jesus was anointed in the lead up to His Crucifixion.

Verse 25
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

What is this commandment to restore and build Jerusalem?

It was the command issued by Artaxerxes 457 B.C as unlike the previous two decrees this was the one that was acted on. The decree in regards to the wall and gate was not the one as the rebuilding of Jerusalem was well advanced at that stage.

The first decree was issued by Cyrus in the year 536 B.C.; this is recorded in the first chapter of the Book of Ezra. The second edict, with reference to the rebuilding of Jerusalem, is that of Darius of Persia in the year 519 B.C.; this is recorded in the sixth chapter of Ezra. The third is that of Artaxerxes in the seventh year of his reign—that is, in 457 B.C.; this is recorded in the seventh chapter of Ezra. The fourth is that of Artaxerxes in the year 444 B.C.; this is recorded in the second chapter of Nehemiah.

But Daniel refers especially to the third edict which was issued in the year 457 B.C. Christ was 33 when He was martyred and ascended. When you add 33 to 457, the result is 490, which is the time announced by Daniel for the coming of Christ.

When Jesus on the Mount of Olives during the week leading to His martyrdom He mentions the abomination of desolation in Daniel. He is indicating the fulfilment of prophecies in Daniel 9:24-27. Once this is understood then further insight can be appreciated by further analysis of these key verses.

The Messiah the Prince is of course Jesus the Christ

Does seven weeks and two and three score (62) weeks refer to the same time period as above and if so why the division into distinct periods?

It refers to the same period but is divided up to emphasize the importance of the first seven weeks (49 years) with the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the time period up until the last week when Christ was Manifested.

Where is the missing week?

Daniel 9:27 refers to the missing week

“the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.” Why refer to these aspects?

The completeness of reconstruction of Jerusalem which will have important symbolic significance eg book of Revelation.

Verse 26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

When is ‘after threescore and two weeks’?

The last week where Christ is manifested.

The Messiah shall be cut off’ ‘but not for himself’ What does this mean?

He will sacrifice Himself for the Salvation of humanity.

‘and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary’ What is the Meaning?

The Jews who have (indirectly) put to death their Messiah, in turn have their temple and Jerusalem destroyed by the Romans.

‘and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined’ What does it Mean?

Life is going to become very difficult for God's chosen people.

Verse 27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Is this the missing week?

Yes

What is the Covenant? What other Covenants are there in the bible?

The New Covenant prophesised in Jeremiah 31:31 symbolised at the last supper.

‘Shall cause sacrifice and oblation to cease’ what is the Meaning?

Sacrifice at the temple ends with the destruction the temple. Jesus is the new focal point of worship.

‘And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate’ What is the Meaning?

The Jews will experience many abominations that result in desolation over a long period of time.

‘even until the consummation ’ What dose this Mean?

The Return of Christ ends this difficult period for the Jews (Bridal symbolism - Matthew 25 and book of Revelation)

‘and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.’ Meaning?

The Returned Christ's Love will be poured upon the Jews. They will be the first as a Nation to recognise the Returned Christ. They will become an inspiration and source of redemption and salvation for all the Nations.

Please feel free to add any comments or suggest amendments

Ben Avraham · Mar 13, 2017

adrian009 said:
I'm preparing a draft commentary of Daniel 9:24-27 from a Baha'i perspective. These four verses are important for a complete understanding of both the New and Old Testaments of the Christian Bible. Through a careful study of these verses we are better able to appreciate how Jesus is the fulfilment of this important Old Testament prophecy. Amongst the insights gained we understand the use of important numbers in apocalyptic scripture and how the relate to important dates for both Christ and His return. The key number in this prophecy is 490 which related to the number of years from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem in 457 BC to Christ's crucifixion at age 33 years. Understanding this will enable us better comprehend the numbers 1260, 1290, 1335, and 2300. I hope to prepare another thread to explore how these numbers relate to key dates in the Baha'i revelation through the advent of the twin Manifestations of God, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Part 1

The prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 has absolutely nothing to do with the Baha'i revelation because the prophecy is Jewish, in the Jewish Scriptures and by a Jewish Prophet. The number 490 enjoys no relevance because the years for the exile were of 70 years, not 490 according to History. And last but not least, the so-called decree to rebuild Jerusalem aka the People was given by Jeremiah in a letter if you read Jeremiah 29:1-14.

rosends · Mar 13, 2017

Avoid the JPS, especially the 1917 version. The updated one is not as egregious but still, not the "best" or prefered. Certainly not "authorized."

Dawnofhope · Mar 13, 2017

Ben Avraham said:
Part 1

The prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 has absolutely nothing to do with the Baha'i revelation because the prophecy is Jewish, in the Jewish Scriptures and by a Jewish Prophet. The number 490 enjoys no relevance because the years for the exile were of 70 years, not 490 according to History. And last but not least, the so-called decree to rebuild Jerusalem aka the People was given by Jeremiah in a letter if you read Jeremiah 29:1-14.

That is a good point. Clearly the Jews are not too happy for the Christians and Baha'is to interpret from the Tanakh and claim that which is contrary to Jewish belief. I'm not aware that Yahweh provided any copyright laws to prevent this from happening?

Dawnofhope · Mar 13, 2017

rosends said:
Avoid the JPS, especially the 1917 version. The updated one is not as egregious but still, not the "best" or prefered. Certainly not "authorized."

What would you recommend as an authorised translation of the Tanakh? Hope you don't mind me asking after putting a Baha'i/Christian spin on your sacred texts! At least my version ends happily for you guys.

Ben Avraham · Mar 13, 2017

adrian009 said:
Verse 24 - Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

How long is seventy weeks in biblical terms? 490 Years

In Biblical terms each day is a year: Numbers 14:34: The Israelites will wander for 40 years in the wilderness, one year for every day spent by the spies in Canaan. Ezekiel 4:5-6: The prophet Ezekiel is commanded to lie on his left side for 390 days, followed by his right side for 40 days, to symbolize the equivalent number of years of punishment on Israel and Judah respectively. Therefore, 490 days are 490 years!

Part 2

Seventy weeks equal here to 70 years; not 490 years. We cannot contradict History. The Jews spent 70 years
of exile in Babylon, not 490 years. All in verse 24 was fulfilled at the end of the exile until the anointing of the Most Holy back in Jerusalem.

Years, not only in Biblical terms but also according to the circumstances could be taken as days or weeks or any other term of time specified according to the circumstances. When the spies were commanded by Moses
to go and scout the Land, they took 40 days. So, according to the circumstances, a day would count for a year that they would spend in the desert aka 40 years. But, in the case of Daniel 9:24 according to the circumstances, it was a week for a year; 70 weeks, 70 years and not 490 years. If prophecies don't go according to History, the prophecy is false. For instance, when the prophecy of Mat. 12:40 was given that, as Jonah spent 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the fish, Jesus would spend what time in the grave, 3 years? As you can see, it is not every time that a day in prophecy is supposed to mean a year. It is all a matter of conventionalization. In Daniel 9:24 it was conventionalized to mean 70 weeks, 70 years, not 490.

rosends · Mar 13, 2017

adrian009 said:
What would you recommend as an authorised translation of the Tanakh? Hope you don't mind me asking after putting a Baha'i/Christian spin on your sacred texts! At least my version ends happily for you guys.

There is nothing called an authorized version -- who would authorize it? When studying, we learn the Hebrews, look in the Aramaic, and read the commentaries in order to create an understanding. An English version that I might like would be the end result of a translator's consulting all sorts of complementary information which you might say is not authoritative or relevant. A literal translation will end up with a meaningless mess, or worse, one whose meaning goes against the understanding and practice of the people who have been studying the text for years. So if you are looking for an English version, realize that you are looking to assess the agenda of the translator and see if his theology/politics agrees with yours.

Seventy weeks (490) in Daniel 9:24-27

Well-Known Member

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member