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Jesus is the Messiah
- Thread starter FFH
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Tigress
Working-Class W*nch.
FFH, while I find the idea of a 'bible code' interesting, I don't see that it proves much, if anything at all, to those of us who do not believe the bible to be inerrant, or much more than bits of history combined with allegory and symbolism. Thus, I'm not quite sure what you are wanting to debate, as even among those who believe in the bible's inerrancy, the matter of a biblical code seems rather...trivial?
Blessings,
Crystal
Blessings,
Crystal
Carlos Andres Restrepo
Member
if jesus and the prophets REALLY REALLY wanted to leave a message in the bible, wouldn't they just write it?....and, if for finding these codes is necessary a special computer program, how could the diciples write the codes in first place? did they know we were going to invent the program for it? who did they expect to read this?. Unless in the codes of the bible said that bill gates was going to being born, and i would like to see that.....what difference this has with anyother prophecies? (i.e nostradamus ) why is that you get th prphecy right after the thing happened and then you say, "oh, it was writen here!"
FFH
Veteran Member
These matrices, which can span across several books of the Bible, are condensed, by computer, into smaller more manageable single page matrices, so they can be more easily read and posted.
A computer software program is used to search designated words, names, places, events, etc., by searching all the various equidistant letter sequences or equidistant Hebrew character sequence possibilities.
Significant finds are then condensed into a much smaller version of the original matrix, from a much larger matrix, which may have spanned across several books of the Bible.
With this particular matrix, the computer found a significant Hebrew sentence by skipping 13,736 characters between each character in the sentence.
Starting with the first red character (top right) the computer skipped 13,736 characters until it came to the second red character (top right second row down), and then did the same thing again until the sentence was complete.
The computer then eliminates the 13,735 characters between each character/row, in the red sentence, and condenses the larger matrix into a smaller one, which can be more easily read and posted.
The computer does the same thing with the first green characters on the right,but in this case it found a sentence by skipping only 1 character between each significant character in the sentence.
The computer then eliminates each skipped character/column, in this green sentence, in order to condense the matrix so it can be more easily read and posted.
Here's my attempt to explain the middle group of sentences in this upper box.
The ELS reference is 13,736 characters between rows. (Translation: The number of characters skipped between characters/rows, in the red sentence, is 13,736.)
The matrix starts at Psalms 16:11.22 and ends at Ecclesiastes 4:8.18 (Translation: The red sentence starts at Psalms 16:11 character 22 and ends at Ecclesiastes 4:8 character 18.)
The matrix spans 151,121 characters of the surface text. (Translation: the total number of characters, in the matrix, from start to end, or from Psalms 16:11.22 to Ecclesiastes 4:8.18, is 151,121.)
The matrix has 12 rows, is 25 columns wide and contains a total of 300 characters. (Translation: The condensed version of this matrix, all skipped characters eliminated, is 12 rows high and 25 columns wide and contains a total of 300 characters.)
There are 2 significant items in the matrix. (Translation: There are two significant sentences in this matrix.)
The matrix odds are 1 chance in 47,952,025,787 in favor of significance. (Translation: The odds of these characters coming together and forming a sentence, by skipping the said amount of characters, is about 47 billion to 1.)
A computer software program is used to search designated words, names, places, events, etc., by searching all the various equidistant letter sequences or equidistant Hebrew character sequence possibilities.
Significant finds are then condensed into a much smaller version of the original matrix, from a much larger matrix, which may have spanned across several books of the Bible.
With this particular matrix, the computer found a significant Hebrew sentence by skipping 13,736 characters between each character in the sentence.
Starting with the first red character (top right) the computer skipped 13,736 characters until it came to the second red character (top right second row down), and then did the same thing again until the sentence was complete.
The computer then eliminates the 13,735 characters between each character/row, in the red sentence, and condenses the larger matrix into a smaller one, which can be more easily read and posted.
The computer does the same thing with the first green characters on the right,but in this case it found a sentence by skipping only 1 character between each significant character in the sentence.
The computer then eliminates each skipped character/column, in this green sentence, in order to condense the matrix so it can be more easily read and posted.
Here's my attempt to explain the middle group of sentences in this upper box.
The ELS reference is 13,736 characters between rows. (Translation: The number of characters skipped between characters/rows, in the red sentence, is 13,736.)
The matrix starts at Psalms 16:11.22 and ends at Ecclesiastes 4:8.18 (Translation: The red sentence starts at Psalms 16:11 character 22 and ends at Ecclesiastes 4:8 character 18.)
The matrix spans 151,121 characters of the surface text. (Translation: the total number of characters, in the matrix, from start to end, or from Psalms 16:11.22 to Ecclesiastes 4:8.18, is 151,121.)
The matrix has 12 rows, is 25 columns wide and contains a total of 300 characters. (Translation: The condensed version of this matrix, all skipped characters eliminated, is 12 rows high and 25 columns wide and contains a total of 300 characters.)
There are 2 significant items in the matrix. (Translation: There are two significant sentences in this matrix.)
The matrix odds are 1 chance in 47,952,025,787 in favor of significance. (Translation: The odds of these characters coming together and forming a sentence, by skipping the said amount of characters, is about 47 billion to 1.)
:biglaugh: what a joke :biglaugh:FFH said:
God bless Moby Dick.FFH said:
Show me the math.FFH said:
Bible Code
Professor Menachem Cohen, a celebrated Bible scholar at Bar-Ilan University, has criticized Witztum et al. on two counts: (1) there are several other Hebrew versions of Genesis for which ELS does not produce statistically significant results; and (2) the appellations given to the Great Men in Israel was inconsistent and arbitrary. Other critics, such as Brendan McKay, have done their own analysis of War and Peace with remarkably different results than those reported by Witztum et al. Many critics, however, have done little more than use ELS to find names, dates, and so on in various books, a feat already known by even the weakest of statisticians to be unremarkable.
Drosnin once said, "When my critics find a message about the assassination of a prime minister encrypted in Moby-Dick, I'll believe them."
McKay promptly produced an ELS analysis of Moby-Dick predicting not only Indira Ghandi's assassination, but the assassinations of Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, and Yitzhak Rabin, as well as the death of Diana, Princess of Wales.
Mathematician David Thomas did an ELS on Genesis and found the words "code" and "bogus" close together not once but 60 times. What are the odds of that happening? Thomas also did an ELS analysis on Drosnin's Bible Code II: The Countdown (2002) and found the message "The Bible Code is a silly, dumb, fake, false, evil, nasty, dismal fraud and snake-oil hoax."* Does this mean that God put in a code to reveal that there is no code?
[reformatted for effect - JS]Drosnin once said, "When my critics find a message about the assassination of a prime minister encrypted in Moby-Dick, I'll believe them."
McKay promptly produced an ELS analysis of Moby-Dick predicting not only Indira Ghandi's assassination, but the assassinations of Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, and Yitzhak Rabin, as well as the death of Diana, Princess of Wales.
Mathematician David Thomas did an ELS on Genesis and found the words "code" and "bogus" close together not once but 60 times. What are the odds of that happening? Thomas also did an ELS analysis on Drosnin's Bible Code II: The Countdown (2002) and found the message "The Bible Code is a silly, dumb, fake, false, evil, nasty, dismal fraud and snake-oil hoax."* Does this mean that God put in a code to reveal that there is no code?
jewscout
Religious Zionist
you could show me a thousand bible code maticies w/ "Jesus" and "salvation" and "Messiah" in close proximity to one another in this conviently done word search....
it doesn't change the fact that Jewish prophecy of Moshiach was never fulfilled by him
There is no Beit HaMikdash
There is no world peace
for the jews, he never performed the tasks necessary. period.
it doesn't change the fact that Jewish prophecy of Moshiach was never fulfilled by him
There is no Beit HaMikdash
There is no world peace
for the jews, he never performed the tasks necessary. period.
