Hypertedical question: What if?

What if God were to give a dog a human soul, what suppose this dog would be like?
A. Still loyal?
B. Love without prejudice?
C. Obediant?
D. Do evil?
E. Do good?
F. Kind to other animals?
G. Submissive?
H. Become a killer/murderer?
Thank God he hasn't done that.

Your comments welcomed.

Blessings, AJ

I've seen disloyal, mistrustful, disobedient, aggressive dogs which have killed out of that aggression or for sport. So I don't think giving it human attributes is necessary for any of those traits. And I don't think those traits are uniquely or definitively human. Our intelligence just allows us to, when we decide to, go to extremes in those attributes unavailable to other animals.

Terrywoodenpic said:

Dogs don't need human souls they have their own.

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Indeed, @Terrywoodenpic ... why denigrate that noble species, eh?

look3467 said:

What if God were to give a dog a human soul, what suppose this dog would be like?
A. Still loyal?
B. Love without prejudice?
C. Obediant?
D. Do evil?
E. Do good?
F. Kind to other animals?
G. Submissive?
H. Become a killer/murderer?
Thank God he hasn't done that.

Your comments welcomed.

Blessings, AJ

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This is an absurd OP for many of the reasons cited by @ADigitalArtist

Hypertedical...I'm gonna have to remember that...

look3467 said:

What if God were to give a dog a human soul, what suppose this dog would be like?
A. Still loyal?
B. Love without prejudice?
C. Obediant?
D. Do evil?
E. Do good?
F. Kind to other animals?
G. Submissive?
H. Become a killer/murderer?
Thank God he hasn't done that.

Your comments welcomed.

Blessings, AJ

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What's a human soul like and what does it do?

YmirGF said:

This is an absurd OP for many of the reasons cited by @ADigitalArtist

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There is a reason behind the question and that has to do with ...."Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image....."
What is the difference between man and animal that "image" is granted to only man?
The answer, imo, gives rise to the question of need for redemption.

Blessings, AJ

look3467 said:

What if God were to give a dog a human soul, what suppose this dog would be like?
A. Still loyal?
B. Love without prejudice?
C. Obediant?
D. Do evil?
E. Do good?
F. Kind to other animals?
G. Submissive?
H. Become a killer/murderer?
Thank God he hasn't done that.

Your comments welcomed.

Blessings, AJ

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You're assuming that souls are exclusive to a particular species. It is my belief that they are not.

SalixIncendium said:

You're assuming that souls are exclusive to a particular species. It is my belief that they are not.

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Not just a soul, as an animal has a spirit, but rather a human soul, that is in the spirit "image" of God.

Blessings, AJ

look3467 said:

Not just a soul, as an animal has a spirit, but rather a human soul, that is in the spirit "image" of God.

Blessings, AJ

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Before I comment, I would need to know how you differentiate a soul from a spirit. Also, I have a feeling that your and my view of God are quite dissimilar.

SalixIncendium said:

Before I comment, I would need to know how you differentiate a soul from a spirit. Also, I have a feeling that your and my view of God are quite dissimilar.

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The body is the clay, the spirit is the breath of God and the soul is the offspring of the union (marriage of the two)

Adam, a living soul, because of the breath of God giving the clay life, has it's own spirit apart from God and therefore a living soul.
The soul is the heart of the indwelling individual spirit which holds life in the body.

An animal also has a soul but not after the image of God. Animals have no concept of right or wrong, therefore, not able to exercise judgment between good and evil. An animal exists only while its spirit exists in the body. After that.....the end of it. I believe.

The human soul does exist after the death of the body along with it's own spirit.

When the body dies the soul lives on as an individual spirit. (Prior to Jesus all souls were kept in a holding place and after Jesus, all souls were freed.)
A dead soul is the spirit that has not been redeemed.

i.e. Adam, was before his alienation, a soul that could live forever. See the underlined following verse.

Gen_3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

My question was to get different views on the subject.

Blessings, AJ

It would be animal cruelty.

psychoslice said:

It would be animal cruelty.

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Would you say, based on your response, that it is cruelty to humans?

“Truth is not to be found outside. No teacher, no scripture can give it to you. It is inside you and if you wish to attain it, seek your own company. Be with yourself. ”
― Osho
I can believe that the state of Godly conscience is within each one us and that is the source of our being able to make judgments on our likes and dis-likes.
After all, being made in His image, is the source of our intellectual abilities.

Blessings, AJ

look3467 said:

Would you say, based on your response, that it is cruelty to humans?

“Truth is not to be found outside. No teacher, no scripture can give it to you. It is inside you and if you wish to attain it, seek your own company. Be with yourself. ”
― Osho
I can believe that the state of Godly conscience is within each one us and that is the source of our being able to make judgments on our likes and dis-likes.
After all, being made in His image, is the source of our intellectual abilities.

Blessings, AJ

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Well humans are animals also, Yes I love Osho and I agree with him on that. Yes we are not made in his image as the human body, we are made in his likeness of Consciousness, because we are truly Consciousness, or the Source, in that way we are made.

look3467 said:

What if God were to give a dog a human soul, what suppose this dog would be like?
Blessings, AJ

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I think it's an interesting question to ponder how long have dogs been domesticated before we ponder what dogs would be like if they had a human soul...

there's evidence that dogs have been our companions from fourteen to up to thirty thousand years per wikipedia:

The archaeological record shows the first undisputed dog remains buried beside humans 14,700 years ago,[8] with disputed remains occurring 36,000 years ago.[9] These dates imply that the earliest dogs arose in the time of human hunter-gatherers and not agriculturists.[2][6] The dog was the first domesticated species.[7][10][11][12]

Dogs as our companions have become sensitive to our emotions and are the most responsive species to us I believe. Dogs understand anger in humans and can be protective of us.. They are territorial... in a sense we are members of the pack and from a canine perspective we are expected to accompany them and share our food with them... Dogs are trainable. Dogs can also be abused, beaten and cowed like humans.

I think we're already close to our dogs and given that we don't really need to wonder much how they'd behave.

There's even a United States registry that classifies dogs for therapy, service and emotional support.

US Dog Registry - Service Dog Registration and Supplies

There's a history of dog use by law enforcement.. See:

Police Canines in History - Dogs for Law Enforcement

Another history online concerns dogs used in combat:

The Dogs of War — A Short History of Canines in Combat

arthra said:

I think it's an interesting question to ponder how long have dogs been domesticated before we ponder what dogs would be like if they had a human soul...

there's evidence that dogs have been our companions from fourteen to up to thirty thousand years per wikipedia:

The archaeological record shows the first undisputed dog remains buried beside humans 14,700 years ago,[8] with disputed remains occurring 36,000 years ago.[9] These dates imply that the earliest dogs arose in the time of human hunter-gatherers and not agriculturists.[2][6] The dog was the first domesticated species.[7][10][11][12]

Dogs as our companions have become sensitive to our emotions and are the most responsive species to us I believe. Dogs understand anger in humans and can be protective of us.. They are territorial... in a sense we are members of the pack and from a canine perspective we are expected to accompany them and share our food with them... Dogs are trainable. Dogs can also be abused, beaten and cowed like humans.

I think we're already close to our dogs and given that we don't really need to wonder much how they'd behave.

There's even a United States registry that classifies dogs for therapy, service and emotional support.

US Dog Registry - Service Dog Registration and Supplies

There's a history of dog use by law enforcement.. See:

Police Canines in History - Dogs for Law Enforcement

Another history online concerns dogs used in combat:

The Dogs of War — A Short History of Canines in Combat

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Great contribution to my post, arthra.

Definitely dogs are very useful in therapy, protection, companionship and the like.

But my quest is to get responses to the difference between mankind and animals that God chose mankind over the animals.
What is key here I believe is that mankind is special. Set apart, honored and raised to the status of a god in the flesh.

It's a good thing God didn't give dogs a human type soul?

Blessings, AJ

9-10ths_Penguin said:

What's a human soul like and what does it do?

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It can't be all that important; Gingers seem to do fine without one.

look3467 said:

Great contribution to my post, arthra.

Definitely dogs are very useful in therapy, protection, companionship and the like.

But my quest is to get responses to the difference between mankind and animals that God chose mankind over the animals.
What is key here I believe is that mankind is special. Set apart, honored and raised to the status of a god in the flesh.

It's a good thing God didn't give dogs a human type soul?

Blessings, AJ

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AJ,

Thanks for your post....

I doubt most would agree that God has raised us (human beings) as "...a god in the flesh". Having a "soul" does not equate as a "god". Having a soul may suggest we have a greater responsibility to our fellow men and also that our role is more to care for the earth and it's creatures rather than pollute and destroy habitats.

I'll share here a few quotes from Baha'i sources:

When asked about the individual persistence of the animal's personality after death, 'Abdu'l-Bahá said: "Even the most developed dog has not the immortal soul of the man; yet the dog is perfect in its own place. You do not quarrel with a rose-tree because it cannot sing!"

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Abdu'l-Baha in London, p. 97

"Until man is born again from the world of nature, that is to say, becomes detached from the world of nature, he is essentially an animal, and it is the teachings of God which converts this animal into a human soul."

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith, p. 289

look3467 said:

What if God were to give a dog a human soul, what suppose this dog would be like?
A. Still loyal?
B. Love without prejudice?
C. Obediant?
D. Do evil?
E. Do good?
F. Kind to other animals?
G. Submissive?
H. Become a killer/murderer?
Thank God he hasn't done that.

Your comments welcomed.

Blessings, AJ

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throw some......Son of Sam in there....
see what happens