Every country should be run by secular governments

Augustus said:

Just that beliefs are a product of their cultural environment and it is fairly easy to (roughly or specifically) identify how they evolve over time.

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lewisnotmiller said:

Also that 'evolution' doesn't mean 'improve'. At least, not necessarily.

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Augustus said:

True dat

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lewisnotmiller said:

I don't think it necessarily makes him non-secular though.
In some ways he was ruthlessly pragmatic, and he was talking more about the psyche of the German people than any particular government rule. I wouldn't count him as 'secular' in any sense, far from it, I just don't see evidence for this in his 'Christian' beliefs, or comments regarding Islam.

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Point instead to peaceful religious organisations banned under the Nazi regime, including Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Baha'i, as well as laws instituted against particular aspects of cultural/religious groups such as the gypsies and Jews.

Thoughts @Nietzsche ?

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interminable said:

This is one of the laws in Islam.
U should be careful when wanna convert to Islam. First think and study and consult and have conversation with the knowledgeable men then accept it if u think it's rational. But if u accepted u can not leave it so easily because some Jews if I'm not mistaken decided to convert to Islam then comeback to their original religion saying that Islam was bad or irrational and....

By death punishment for this they gave up their plan.

If u think about famous people and their effect on their followers u can understand it

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Aquitaine said:

Encouraging violence against apostates is nothing more than intolerance and cult-like.

Supporting violence for apostates says a lot about the tolerance of Islam.

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interminable said:

I told u
Religion isn't something to be played with.
Some people change their religion randomly thinking they are very smart. But actually it's just the opposite.
I wanna say there are 4 or 5 divine religion in the world right now so choosing one of them doesn't need to try them all and leave them. First study ,think , consult , then choose.

Besides this is god order and we are his slaves.

التوبة
وَإِنْ أَحَدٌ مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ اسْتَجَارَكَ فَأَجِرْهُ حَتَّىٰ يَسْمَعَ كَلَامَ اللَّهِ ثُمَّ أَبْلِغْهُ مَأْمَنَهُ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لَّا يَعْلَمُونَ
And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know. (6)

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interminable said:

Would u please tell me that how many countries were attacked by the US????

Did we use atomic bomb?

We weren't after atomic bomb because it's forbidden. Do u have this scruple not to use it????

Besides u wanna say there is no rape in western countries
There is no suicide and ....???

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paarsurrey said:

"I wanna say there are 4 or 5 divine religion in the world right now so choosing one of them doesn't need to try them all and leave them. First study ,think , consult , then choose."

I agree with the above colored in magenta. One doesn't have to go to the position/no-position superstitiously which is neither supported by Revelation nor by science.
One must select one out of the many revealed religion in the world. Please
Regards

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Monk Of Reason said:

I'm not defending the military attempts of the corporate owned US military. I'm talking about the society. Not to mention the US is the most highly religious nation of all first world nations with the exception of an extreme few.

I assume you mean Iran when you say "we"? They have no nuclear capability. I have no doubt in my mind the current leader of Iran wants to use it.

Sure there is rape. But the difference is it isn't legal here. Child brides are frowned upon in the west. And suicide tends to be a different issue. I don't see it as a good marker for judging a country as what it is dependent on isn't its proficency as a country.

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interminable said:

Please how r u sure that we wanna use it??huh?
Unfortunately western people are unaware of what is going on around them. Media keep and continue to tell lie and people construe them true.

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Do u know before revolution in Iran The US was supposed to build nuclear generator for us?????
Do u know US gave us 60 F 14. ???

But what happened that they changed to be our enemy????

They know Islam is against capitalism and liberalism.
They know we are trying to say everybody can be religious and simultaneously do science. U can be religious and live in modern society and...

That's why they say we are after atomic bomb to undermine our country not to reach this goal.

Nuclear bomb is just pretext.
Israel and Pakistan have nuclear bomb

Why US doesn't sanction them???
Their bombs aren't dangerous for middle east????

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Monk Of Reason said:

What about Asian people? Are they also unaware of whats going on around them? Is there a single zone of understanding that only reaches parts of Iran and select other countries?

I don't think anyone should have nuclear bombs becaues anyone who has them will eventually use them in my Opinion. I don't think America, Russia, China, Cuba, Iran, Pakistan, India, Israel, ect. None of them should have nuclear weapons.

I am aware that Islam is against liberalism. Being fairly liberal I have a problem with this but that isn't the main issue. Muslims in Saudi Arabia have no problem selling butloads of oil to other countries.

I don't defend what the US has done in the middle East. I don't. Why, in your words, do you think the UN made the decision that it was best to not allow Iran to have nuclear weapons.

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interminable said:

Because UN is a creature of US

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Monk Of Reason said:

Evidence?

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interminable said:

Don't u see Israel kills Palestinian and they don't hay anything
Don't u see Saudi kills children and women but they don't say anything?

I wonder why??
Aren't these people humans


Doesn't have Israel and Pakistan nuclear bomb??? Why they shouldn't be sanctioned.
Israel even isn't a member of IAEA??!!!!!!!

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interminable said:

I told u
Religion isn't something to be played with.
Some people change their religion randomly thinking they are very smart. But actually it's just the opposite.
I wanna say there are 4 or 5 divine religion in the world right now so choosing one of them doesn't need to try them all and leave them. First study ,think , consult , then choose.

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Besides this is god order and we are his slaves

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Aquitaine said:

What gives you the ability to determine the number of "divine" religions? There have been countless different religions all throughout human history, most of which have probably been retired to the dustbin of history.



No: you have chosen to willingly become a slave to a belief system, not me. Besides, shouldn't slaves try and break free from their captors?

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Monk Of Reason said:

I'm not defending the military attempts of the corporate owned US military. I'm talking about the society. Not to mention the US is the most highly religious nation of all first world nations with the exception of an extreme few.

I assume you mean Iran when you say "we"? They have no nuclear capability. I have no doubt in my mind the current leader of Iran wants to use it.

Sure there is rape. But the difference is it isn't legal here. Child brides are frowned upon in the west. And suicide tends to be a different issue. I don't see it as a good marker for judging a country as what it is dependent on isn't its proficency as a country.

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