Why are We Here?

Akivah said:

You're the one that asked about their existence. I presume you had a basis for asking.

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Don't you remember? You answered it. See post 57.


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Skwim said:

So why do you think god does anything if it isn't motivated by wanting to? Think his doings just *pop* into existence?

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It is an extremely complex issue what motivates God to do anything specific. I didn't say God could not want a thing, I said that perhaps "want" is not really the best term to use. I will give you the one thing I do know of in this context. I see many posters who do not like the fact that if there is no God there can't be any objective moral values or duties. Apparently the only thing anyone can think of is to suggest that God either obeys an external objective moral realm or what he says is evil or good is merely because he says so. That's the tired old Euthyphro's dilemma. However neither are true. God's eternal objective nature determines what moral values and duty's exist and his commands flow from that. He neither obeys some external standard nor does he decide on a whim what things are good or bad.

I understand your inability to grasp my point, but that's okay. Paste and post away.


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Well first I have to have something to look up. I can't very well search for Aquinas' 5 ways of answering Skwim's question.

Let me first ask if the only thing I could come up with is true. I have seen reasonable arguments to the effect that if God is all sufficient how could he be desirous of anything? Their idea is that a desire indicates a lack of something but God is supposed be all sufficient in all categories. Is that even close?

If not then we are going to have to arrive at the bare essentials concerning the fundamental problem that is driving your question before I know what to copy and paste. Maybe try explaining the type of core argument your question is a specific example of.

God created us because God is Love and He wanted to have a reciprocated love relationship with us.

God is our Creator and our Father who loves us unconditionally. Humans cannot conceive of that kind of love.

"Love one another and you will be happy. It's as simple & as difficult as that."

~ Michael Leunig

Yes...in fact that is what Jesus was trying to tell us; to love one another as ourselves. Humans like to make things all complex. Thanks for your wise words that hopefully can be comprehended clearly.

We are simply the current complex manifestation of chemistry and physics formed from the chaos of a universe of sub atomic particles mixed with a vaste huge massive length of time. Life is inevitable so fictitious ,anthromoprphic clockmakers are not required. I think most who do not see this as completely logical cannot get there head around the vasteness of time that allows for trillions of gazillions of random experiments to fail, but it only takes one to succeed and off we go again.

Cheers.

Why are we not here ?.

psychoslice said:

Why are we not here ?.

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Evolution conspired against it.

FearGod said:

The exact purpose of the creation is impossible to be known other than making guesses,
first we don't know what God is, what is his nature, how he thinks and how he makes
things to work according to his will.

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We now know what God is, what is his nature, how he thinks and how he makes things work according to his will. All you have to do is listen to His Voice called the Gospel that we servants preach for Him.

psychoslice said:

Why are we not here ?.

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I know that answer but unless you have a very open mind according to the program, it's useless for me to teach you that answer.

In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made that has not been made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the Light of all mankind. The Light shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot overcome it! John 1:1-4

Tiapan said:

We are simply the current complex manifestation of chemistry and physics formed from the chaos of a universe of sub atomic particles mixed with a vaste huge massive length of time. Life is inevitable so fictitious ,anthromoprphic clockmakers are not required. I think most who do not see this as completely logical cannot get there head around the vasteness of time that allows for trillions of gazillions of random experiments to fail, but it only takes one to succeed and off we go again.

Cheers.

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I think that is just absurd there is nothing random about the universe, nature, or mankind.

Jesuslightoftheworld said:

In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made that has not been made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the Light of all mankind. The Light shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot overcome it! John 1:1-4

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2X4 said:

I know that answer but unless you have a very open mind according to the program, it's useless for me to teach you that answer.

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There is no answer.

In my religion (Deanism) it teaches that God created all beings and souls from Her laughter. We also believe that we were all in a perfect state (one with Dea Herself) but the soul yearned to gain knowledge and experience that couldnt be known in perfection, and so asked Dea to create a physical universe in which we could. The scriptures say that while Dea was creating the physical universe, She saw an image upon the waters and laughed, and a human rose up before Her in Her image, and that she was the first human. This is the Deanic take on it

Skwim said:

Why did god create humans?

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Ephesians 3:16-19
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Skwim said:

Why did god create humans?

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There is a great saying by Eckhart Tolle in this regard, 'You are here to enable the divine purpose of the Universe to unfold. That is how important you are!'

So it shows that humans were created for the purpose of the orderly evolution of the universe, just as all of nature is.

But the overdomination of the intellect at the expense of Consciousness (manifest as mindfulness/love ), have resulted in the human being going astray from his original purpose due to a strong ego that craves for sense-pleasures even at the cost of violating natural laws of harmony.

As Gandhi himself had stated, " The earth has enough to satisfy every man's needs, but not every man's greed. "

Skwim said:

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore—
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
“’Tis some visitor,” I muttered, “tapping at my chamber door—
Only this and nothing more.”

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This should make us even.


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He quoted God's word and you quoted something less. It is hardly even. Good try at making fun of God's word, though.

You seem to only be on here to make fun of God and His word. What happened to you to cause you to hate God so much?

The greatest thinkers in human history have never been able to figure this one out, so me sitting here thinking about lunch isn't going to figure this one out as well. Seriously though, I have pursued this question for most of my 43 year life and have found no answer. The hindu belief is that it's all a game that brahma is playing with himself. The christian belief is that god creates a few humans to worship him while creating the bulk of them to throw into hell. Maybe this world is a like a large terrarium and our species got here by alien's planting us here to see us in this environment. I don't know, it's all subjective. I've decided to stop looking for answers anymore because I know there is none. Which leaves me with the only sound advice I have ever heard. "Life has no meaning save the meaning you give it."