Original Sin

As my understanding:

Mainstream Christianity

Original sin is that we have a sinful nature and this creates a temptation for us to sin
How I understood it when practicing was we didn't have original sin; however, because we do sin, we are always in a state and cycle of repentance, pertinence, communion, and resurrection.

Buddhism

My understanding of the Defiled Mind is that the mind, because of external and internal means, is filled with attachments. Like original sin, it does take a cycle but unlike Christianity, ending the cycle of rebirth and practices to end rebirth to be at the understanding of the nature of life without external means to do so.

So.

My question:

Is Christianity similar (not the same-similar) to Buddhism in the temptation to sin?
Regardless the history, what, when, and where. If so, how is it similar? If not, how is it dissimilar?

One has to do with the heart and the other with the mind. I get that.
One has to do with sacrificing oneself and the other practice. I get that.

They both seem to say "we (our heart or mind) have a internal problem. We need to fix it by X"

Why do we have to have a defiled heart or mind to change our lives for the better?

Christians talk about sacrifice. We need to sacrifice ourselves in Christ to live in his resurrection while Buddhism says life is suffering. While our goal isn't to live in suffering, Mahayana says that we are to be in suffer (not to) to help others out of it before we get out of suffering.

Yes, we suffer. Yes, we want to get rid of it.

Christians? Why do you see suffering as a part of yourself? Why do you need to suffer to live in Christ? Can you live in Christ without needing to suffer what he has suffered? Do you need to pay consequences for actions you have not made?

Buddhist? It's hard to ask ya'll questions since I believe everything The Buddha taught. So this is an exploration question. Why do we need to have a defiled mind or see life as suffering in order to relieve rebirth?

Guys, why is suffering such a big issue in both religions? I know we need to end it and so forth but to put ourselves in a spiritual condition (thinking that we have original sin) or (thinking that we have to train the mind) to where we are always needing to end what is not there to begin with if we perceive suffering and life differently?

Sorry, lots of questions. Hopefully the answers are of good insight with scripture, sutra, sutta, and resource quotes as well.

'inherited sin'
not in the bible, so no reason to present verses

syncretic said:

'inherited sin'
not in the bible, so no reason to present verses

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Do you have scripture that shows this?

Carlita said:

Do you have scripture that shows this?

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Do you have Scripture to show that in is inherited?

syncretic said:

Do you have Scripture to show that in is inherited?

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I can show you but my point is that original sin ans buddhist defiled mind is similar (have to reread my OP) not whether original sin exist.

Original sin, as so told by a jew but not phrased like his, is the "temptation" to sin. Other denominations say that we are birn with this temptation (adam and eve) but our true nature is nkt sin but in Christ. While others say they have sin and are inheritedly bad people without christ.

All of these can be proved by scripture but I only know a few that can be proved by context of it. That isnt the point of my post.

You replied there is no such thing as original sin. That would mean my comparing it with the defiled mind is mute.

Where in scripture does it say we have original sin indirect, direct, or in context?

Carlita said:

I can show you but my point is that original sin ans buddhist defiled mind is similar (have to reread my OP) not whether original sin exist.

Original sin, as so told by a jew but not phrased like his, is the "temptation" to sin. Other denominations say that we are birn with this temptation (adam and eve) but our true nature is nkt sin but in Christ. While others say they have sin and are inheritedly bad people without christ.

All of these can be proved by scripture but I only know a few that can be proved by context of it. That isnt the point of my post.

You replied there is no such thing as original sin. That would mean my comparing it with the defiled mind is mute.

Where in scripture does it say we have original sin indirect, direct, or in context?

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Ok, not a problem. /i don't have arguments otherwise for your subjects

syncretic said:

Ok, not a problem. /i don't have arguments otherwise for your subjects

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No biggie. Its also in comparative religion. Im sure supporting statements is assumed to be common sense in a conversation just not in a manner of proving each others points rather tha gathering information. Just a tid bit for all readers. No biggie.

Original sin is injustice from our perspective.
How can son be blamed for the sin of his father.

"Original sin", as being a literal sin, is not found in Judaism nor is it explicitly stated as such in the Tanakh. It largely emerged in Christianity to posit the need for repentance and baptism.

What do you mean by 'defiled' mind , was it the inherent nature of the mind or it became defiled later on?

Tabu said:

What do you mean by 'defiled' mind , was it the inherent nature of the mind or it became defiled later on?

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You might consider quoting whom you're responding to so the person realizes there's been a response. Or you can go like this: @Tabu .

metis said:

You might consider quoting whom you're responding to so the person realizes there's been a response. Or you can go like this: @Tabu .

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Is that ? I didn't know , I thought if unquoted it refers to the OP.
Thank , still learning.

Tabu said:

Is that ? I didn't know , I thought if unquoted it refers to the OP.
Thank , still learning.

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You're welcome. Some threads can get very lengthy, so the reader of your post may not know whom you're responding to or which post you may be referring to.

Carlita said:

No biggie. Its also in comparative religion. Im sure supporting statements is assumed to be common sense in a conversation just not in a manner of proving each others points rather tha gathering information. Just a tid bit for all readers. No biggie.

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sin redemmtion baptism /water baptism, what Jesus partook of, via Johanan, in the Bible. These would tend to be, in my opinion, baptisms for 'sins commited'', not to cleanse a naturally sinful nature

metis said:

"Original sin", as being a literal sin, is not found in Judaism nor is it explicitly stated as such in the Tanakh. It largely emerged in Christianity to posit the need for repentance and baptism.

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Some church Christianity/ groups have 'original sin', some don't, and in a couple different understandings, as well. Carlita does actually refer to this in the original premise.

Original Sin

Original sin, also called ancestral sin,[1] is the Christian doctrine of humanity's state of sin resulting from the fall of man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming from the tree of knowledge of good and evil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

Buddha never believed in the above original sin the doctrine of Christianity which even Jesus never believed in because Jesus was a Jew and never was he was a Christian. Right? Please
Kindly correct me if I am wrong. Please

Regards

Carlita said:

I can show you but my point is that original sin ans buddhist defiled mind is similar (have to reread my OP) not whether original sin exist.

Original sin, as so told by a jew but not phrased like his, is the "temptation" to sin. Other denominations say that we are birn with this temptation (adam and eve) but our true nature is nkt sin but in Christ. While others say they have sin and are inheritedly bad people without christ.

All of these can be proved by scripture but I only know a few that can be proved by context of it. That isnt the point of my post.

You replied there is no such thing as original sin. That would mean my comparing it with the defiled mind is mute.

Where in scripture does it say we have original sin indirect, direct, or in context?

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When one observe the Bible , one will discover there is contradiction in the bible, the church doctrine of atonement and original sin, four centuries after JESUS left the earth
God is just, If you read, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20)
But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. (Jeremiah 31:30)

jowa1951 said:

When one observe the Bible , one will discover there is contradiction in the bible, the church doctrine of atonement and original sin, four centuries after JESUS left the earth
God is just, If you read, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20)
But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. (Jeremiah 31:30)

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Those translate that sin is an action/transgression against god.

Some denominations say we have an inherited temptation to commit transgressions as the reason Christ died for Christians. Others say sin is inherit because if it was not, we would be Christ who is said to be perfect; and, we are not because we have sined/made an action against god.

I don't see the contradiction. The Bible says we have sined. We have consequences for our sin. Christian New Testement says to turn from ones actions against god (sins) by following him to get to god and be resurrected like him to be with the father. Only way this can happen is if one turns from ones sins, repent, and follow Christ.

That's Christianity. Catholicism has a different take just as JW and Baptist and Presbyterian. It is what it is. Not something I believe, just stating what the Bible teaches.

In Adam all die, so says Romans In Christ all [the redeemed] are made alive
Adam is a representative for man in his sin
Christ is a representative for believers in his work on the cross
Can't have one without the other

Original sin was committed by Adam and his wife. They deliberately disobeyed a direct command of their Creator who told them that disobedience carried the death penalty. This made them genetically defective as they began to die that day. The sentence was implemented in a way that still allowed them to fulfill their mandate to populate the Earth. (Genesis 1:28) Unfortunately, sin producing death was all they could pass on to their children as the genetic defect spread to all of them.

Romans 5:12:
"So then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all people because all sinned".

Jesus came to remove the defect by offering his perfect life in exchange for the life that our first parents lost for us.
This is called redemption.

Deeje said:

Original sin was committed by Adam and his wife. They deliberately disobeyed a direct command of their Creator who told them that disobedience carried the death penalty. This made them genetically defective as they began to die that day. The sentence was implemented in a way that still allowed them to fulfill their mandate to populate the Earth. (Genesis 1:28) Unfortunately, sin producing death was all they could pass on to their children as the genetic defect spread to all of them.

Romans 5:12:
"So then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all people because all sinned".

Jesus came to remove the defect by offering his perfect life in exchange for the life that our first parents lost for us.
This is called redemption.

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If your great grandfather murdered someone, should we put you on trial for murder? Also, how could a new-born child be guilty of sin?