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Highly Implausible = Nonexistent?

Animore

Active Member
For all intents and purposes, this is a religious question, but I felt it would fit more into philosophy? If something such as a God concept is highly improbable, could it be concluded that such a concept is not accurate? Here's another example: If, say, a quantum computer is highly improbable, could one safely conclude that it does not exist? Thanks in advance.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
For all intents and purposes, this is a religious question, but I felt it would fit more into philosophy? If something such as a God concept is highly improbable, could it be concluded that such a concept is not accurate? Here's another example: If, say, a quantum computer is highly improbable, could one safely conclude that it does not exist? Thanks in advance.
Well simple for me there is no god, its that simple.
 

Animore

Active Member
That it isn't probable, that simple.

This is bringing more questions than answers?

A. So it's improbable?

B. Again, I ask, is your reasoning behind the claim that there is no God that it is highly implausible?

C. If not, are you implying that there is a difference between "no probability" and improbability?
 

Animore

Active Member
I am not going to play stupid word games with you, there is no god and that is that!!, if you believe there is, then you prove that to me, if you can't them be silenced, it only shows your ignorance.


Stupid word games? I was merely asking a few questions. It shows ignorance to lash out at questioning.
 

Animore

Active Member
You are trying to prove god exist and you can't, again, prove that to me right now, if you can't then be quite

Check my damn "religion" box - I am not a theist. I am asking you a few questions and trying to understand the more "sure" views.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I want to know the reasoning behind the claim of God not existing. Should it be considered not a claim, but a conclusion, or what?
You just go on and on about god, how can I answer you when there is no god, where am I going to pull my answer from my..... ?.
 

Animore

Active Member
You just go on and on about god, how can I answer you when there is no god, where am I going to pull my answer from my..... ?.

Fine, I'll rephrase.

What's the reasoning behind your belief that there is no God? Should your belief behind a god not existing be considered not as a clam but as a conclusion?
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Fine, I'll rephrase.

What's the reasoning behind your belief that there is no God? Should your belief behind a god not existing be considered not as a clam but as a conclusion?
Well its a conclusion, THERE IS NO GOD.......get that into your head, if you cannot prove your claim, then please stop you silliness.
 

Animore

Active Member
Well its a conclusion, THERE IS NO GOD.......get that into your head, if you cannot prove your claim, then please stop you silliness.

Again. Not theistic. Not religious. Not a Chrisitian. Not a believer in any God or gods.

Thanks for the answer.
 

Animore

Active Member
Well why are you going on and on like your are, what the hell are you trying to prove, it all sound to me like gibbery.

I wasn't trying to prove a damn thing. I've explained this. I'm trying to better understand the mind of someone who says straight-out "God doesn't exist".
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
For all intents and purposes, this is a religious question, but I felt it would fit more into philosophy? If something such as a God concept is highly improbable, could it be concluded that such a concept is not accurate? Here's another example: If, say, a quantum computer is highly improbable, could one safely conclude that it does not exist? Thanks in advance.

No, Basically.

Improbable =/= Impossible

Expressed mathamatically...

Probability > 0 =/= 0 (a probability greater than zero does not equal zero).

They are not identical on paper, but someone may treat them as the same in practical terms.

In 1600AD I could have said that space travel, man landing on the moon, heavier than air flight, near-instant global communications, travelling faster than the speed of sound, using the same natural forces as occur in lightening to power artificial lights instead of using candles etc were "impossible" based on the sheer improbability at the current level of development at that point. it would be considered a sound and reasonable argument in its day. It would also be wrong.

In 1909 a book known as the great illusion was published stating that due to free trade, it had become highly irrational and therefore improbable for nations to go to war. In 1914, the first world war broke out. Opps! :(

The Great Illusion - Wikipedia

In 1912, one of the publicists for the White Star line said their new ship, the Titanic, was "practically unsinkable". It sank.

350px-Stöwer_Titanic.jpg


Winning the lottery is not impossible but highly improbable. So the improbability means you don't play the lottery because you end up spending more money playing than you are likely to get back, or that its not a good investment that the outcome is beyond your control and based on freak chance, etc. Another person could say "you can't win if you don't play"- like saying you can't go to heavan unless you believe in god.

In terms of religion, the improbability of god's existence would have the same practical implications as believing in the impossibility of god BUT they are actually very different arguments. One is about the lack of evidence making god improbable, the other is an argument about the nature of reality, making god impossible. They are quite different and many who say god is improbable will actually say the idea that "god is impossible" is a dogma or unprovable statement.

I think you see what I'm getting at. :)
 

PeteC-UK

Active Member
Hi Folks..

psycho;
Well its a conclusion, THERE IS NO GOD.......get that into your head, if you cannot prove your claim, then please stop you silliness.

lol...we REALLY do need a "shakes head in bewilderment" emote - or the classic facepalm for such stupid comments....lol....

look - there IS a "god" - I HAVE MET IT - so get THAT into your head - now - either prove me wrong or as you say just quit with the silliness...lol....

Just because YOU are not capable of knowing this god does NOT mean it is the same for the entire rest of humanity - your position is extremely arrogant and entirely unfounded....If you wanna make such hard and fast judgements and jump to such conclusions when you have no personal evidence either way, then that is just plain foolish - and if you must still make such conclusions despite not knowing anything at all, then the best course would obviously be to listen to others who DO know from direct experience...
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Another example... (As I just thought this was interesting to look up/share)

In 1928, President Calvin Coolidge said at the state of the Union:

"No Congress of the United States ever assembled, on surveying the state of the union has been met with a more pleasing prospect than that which appears at the present time."

State of the Union Address: Calvin Coolidge (December 4, 1928)

In 1929, there was the Wall Street Crash and the start of the great depression and helping the rise of fascism and nazism in Europe. Opps!

So it happens and confusing improbable with impossible can have serious real world consequences.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
For all intents and purposes, this is a religious question, but I felt it would fit more into philosophy? If something such as a God concept is highly improbable, could it be concluded that such a concept is not accurate? Here's another example: If, say, a quantum computer is highly improbable, could one safely conclude that it does not exist? Thanks in advance.

Who is going to determine if such concepts are highly improbable?
 
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