What's God's Big Hangup With Homosexuality?

Spiderman · Dec 17, 2016

Skwim said:
So some of the guys who penned the Bible made up God's abhorrence and wrath toward homosexuality as a pretext to keep everyone pumping out kids. Hmmmm. . . . . . . best answer yet.

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More children meant more soldiers and more helping hands

Moishe3rd · Dec 17, 2016

Skwim said:
While God may tolerate homosexuals (He never really comes out and condemns such people), according to the Bible it's clear He detests homosexual acts, both male and female. He even wants men who engage in homosexuality to be put to death. Three passages in particular address His distaste. (If there are other direct scriptural references feel free to share.)

Leviticus 18:22 (ERV)
22 “Men, you must not have sexual relations with another man as with a woman. That is a terrible sin!

Leviticus 20:13 (ERV)
13 “If a man has sexual relations with another man as with a woman, they have committed a terrible sin. They must be put to death. They are responsible for their own death.

Romans 1:24, 26-27 (ERV)
24 People wanted only to do evil. So God left them and let them go their sinful way.

26 Because people did those things, God left them and let them do the shameful things they wanted to do. Women stopped having natural sex with men and started having sex with other women. 27 In the same way, men stopped having natural sex with women and began wanting each other all the time. Men did shameful things with other men, and in their bodies they received the punishment for those wrongs.

Currently, it's estimated that from 1.2 to 6.8 percent of the population identify as LGBT.* With the current world population now hitting close to 7.5 billion, and considering God's attitude in Leviticus 20:13, this means there are between 112 - 635 million people (homosexuals) He feels are better off dead.

Pretty drastic of a loving god if you ask me. So the question arises: Just what the heck does God find so abhorrent about homosexual activity? He certainly doesn't leave any clue. Perhaps He may doth protest too much?

Anyone care to take a stab?

*The demographics of sexual orientation and gender identity in the United States have been more accurately studied in the social sciences in recent decades. In the first large-scale government survey measuring Americans’ sexual orientation, the NHIS reported in July 2014 that 1.6 percent of Americans identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent identify as bisexual. In a Williams Institute review based on an June–September 2012 Gallup poll, approximately 3.4 percent of American adults identify themselves as being LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender). An earlier report published in April 2011 by the Williams Institute estimated that 3.8 percent of Americans identified as gay/lesbian, bisexual, or transgender: 1.7 percent as lesbian or gay, 1.8 percent as bisexual, and 0.3 percent as transgender. The 2011 Williams Institute report also states that 8.2 percent of Americans reported that they had engaged in same-sex sexual behavior, and 11 percent reported some same-sex attraction. Studies from several nations, including the U.S., conducted at varying time periods, have produced a statistical range of 1.2 to 6.8 percent of the adult population identifying as LGBT. Online surveys tend to yield higher figures than other methods,[4] a likely result of the higher degree of anonymity of Internet surveys, which elicit reduced levels of socially desirable responding.
Source: Wikipedia

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Sure.
IMHO, homosexuality is anti-life.
G-d favors Life; Reproduction; and the very real struggle that Man and Woman have to endure to "become One" and create a family.

Being gay is the easy way out. Men have no problems dealing with all of the intimate details and kinks of how to please other men sexually. Likewise women with women.
Relationships between Men and Women are difficult. Always have been. Always will be.
It's the challenge that's important.

Shiranui117 · Dec 17, 2016

Skwim said:
So some of the guys who penned the Bible made up God's abhorrence and wrath toward homosexuality as a pretext to keep everyone pumping out kids. Hmmmm. . . . . . . best answer yet.

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Well, when you live in a pre-modern world with high infant mortality rates, semiregular illness epidemics, famine, drought and warfare, you kinda wanna make sure your tribe has a buffer zone of population. Everyone's gotta do their bit, as it were.

Completely nonsensical to modern-day society where we have too many people as opposed to too few, but perhaps that's the point. I think if ancient peoples condemned homosexuality because it didn't benefit society, I think homosexuality might be considered praiseworthy because the fewer number of people making more babies, the more we're able to control our population growth. At least if you want to go hardcore utilitarian with it.

Christ's Prophet · Dec 17, 2016

Skwim said:
While God may tolerate homosexuals (He never really comes out and condemns such people), according to the Bible it's clear He detests homosexual acts, both male and female. He even wants men who engage in homosexuality to be put to death. Three passages in particular address His distaste. (If there are other direct scriptural references feel free to share.)

Leviticus 18:22 (ERV)
22 “Men, you must not have sexual relations with another man as with a woman. That is a terrible sin!

Leviticus 20:13 (ERV)
13 “If a man has sexual relations with another man as with a woman, they have committed a terrible sin. They must be put to death. They are responsible for their own death.

Romans 1:24, 26-27 (ERV)
24 People wanted only to do evil. So God left them and let them go their sinful way.

26 Because people did those things, God left them and let them do the shameful things they wanted to do. Women stopped having natural sex with men and started having sex with other women. 27 In the same way, men stopped having natural sex with women and began wanting each other all the time. Men did shameful things with other men, and in their bodies they received the punishment for those wrongs.

Currently, it's estimated that from 1.2 to 6.8 percent of the population identify as LGBT.* With the current world population now hitting close to 7.5 billion, and considering God's attitude in Leviticus 20:13, this means there are between 112 - 635 million people (homosexuals) He feels are better off dead.

Pretty drastic of a loving god if you ask me. So the question arises: Just what the heck does God find so abhorrent about homosexual activity? He certainly doesn't leave any clue. Perhaps He may doth protest too much?

Anyone care to take a stab?

*The demographics of sexual orientation and gender identity in the United States have been more accurately studied in the social sciences in recent decades. In the first large-scale government survey measuring Americans’ sexual orientation, the NHIS reported in July 2014 that 1.6 percent of Americans identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent identify as bisexual. In a Williams Institute review based on an June–September 2012 Gallup poll, approximately 3.4 percent of American adults identify themselves as being LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender). An earlier report published in April 2011 by the Williams Institute estimated that 3.8 percent of Americans identified as gay/lesbian, bisexual, or transgender: 1.7 percent as lesbian or gay, 1.8 percent as bisexual, and 0.3 percent as transgender. The 2011 Williams Institute report also states that 8.2 percent of Americans reported that they had engaged in same-sex sexual behavior, and 11 percent reported some same-sex attraction. Studies from several nations, including the U.S., conducted at varying time periods, have produced a statistical range of 1.2 to 6.8 percent of the adult population identifying as LGBT. Online surveys tend to yield higher figures than other methods,[4] a likely result of the higher degree of anonymity of Internet surveys, which elicit reduced levels of socially desirable responding.
Source: Wikipedia

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I think that God is so upset about those who practice homosexuality, is that we are made in God’s image. No other creature has that. The sexual act is a gift given by God to husbands and wives in the realm of marriage. When people in their lusts commit their sexual activity outside that envelope, then they are snubbing their noses at God, thinking that they will get away with it. Someone said that God should allow all this as He is a loving God. But we must understand that He is also a just God, and there will be a judgment day.
God makes the rules, we don’t. God knows what is best for us. God is perfect and good. If we can’t get our heads around that, then the fault is with us. If God says something is wrong, then it is wrong and it is up to us to understand why it is wrong. Everyone on this earth is sinful, we all make mistakes and the end of sin is death which will happen to us all. Sin causes moral confusion—the inability to discern good from evil. Rejecting God’s standards leads to dependence on personal standards, which merely reflect the sinner’s values. Note the switching of labels and the word games in modern culture concerning such moral issues as fornication, adultery, and homosexuality, and even with such life-and-death issues as abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia. And then what about pedophiles, or rapists who have a different sexual orientation. Will that become acceptable in time?
But for those who practise homosexuality, God has provided a way out:-
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Certainty for eternity.

DiligentDave · Dec 18, 2016

The French have a term, raison d'etre, or translated in English "reason for being (existing)".

As I have studied God in my religion (known ostensibly as 'Mormonism', for our belief in scripture called "The Book of Mormon"), I have found that God is a very happy being. He is just, and merciful. He is parent. And, as a parent, he has a wife. Or, possibly even as a polygynous parent, he has multiple wives (Abraham, Israel [Jacob], Moses, David, Solomon, and many others, were also all polygynous [had multiple wives]).

God is a 'family man'. He is, indeed, I believe, the literal father of our spirits.

Now, in my religion, a spirit is as real as a body of flesh and bones. In fact, a spirit in the body makes the body live. And, without a spirit, a person cannot live.

Few mortals seem to know or understand the purpose of their 'sojourn' on earth. We are not here permanently (at least, not as mortals).

Also, I believe we lived before we gained our carnal (fleshly) bodies. And, as scriptures teach, we will indeed "live again" (when and where our fleshly body will be united with our spirit) commonly known as the resurrection, or the reuniting of the spirit and body, never again to be separated.

Now, for some quotes from what I like to call 'restoration scriptures'. These include A) The Book of Mormon, B) the book of Doctrine & Covenants, and C) the book of The Pearl of Great Price.

(to be continued)

james bond · Dec 18, 2016

Skwim said:
While God may tolerate homosexuals (He never really comes out and condemns such people), according to the Bible it's clear He detests homosexual acts, both male and female. He even wants men who engage in homosexuality to be put to death. Three passages in particular address His distaste. (If there are other direct scriptural references feel free to share.)

Leviticus 18:22 (ERV)
22 “Men, you must not have sexual relations with another man as with a woman. That is a terrible sin!

Leviticus 20:13 (ERV)
13 “If a man has sexual relations with another man as with a woman, they have committed a terrible sin. They must be put to death. They are responsible for their own death.

Romans 1:24, 26-27 (ERV)
24 People wanted only to do evil. So God left them and let them go their sinful way.

26 Because people did those things, God left them and let them do the shameful things they wanted to do. Women stopped having natural sex with men and started having sex with other women. 27 In the same way, men stopped having natural sex with women and began wanting each other all the time. Men did shameful things with other men, and in their bodies they received the punishment for those wrongs.

Currently, it's estimated that from 1.2 to 6.8 percent of the population identify as LGBT.* With the current world population now hitting close to 7.5 billion, and considering God's attitude in Leviticus 20:13, this means there are between 112 - 635 million people (homosexuals) He feels are better off dead.

Pretty drastic of a loving god if you ask me. So the question arises: Just what the heck does God find so abhorrent about homosexual activity? He certainly doesn't leave any clue. Perhaps He may doth protest too much?

Anyone care to take a stab?

*The demographics of sexual orientation and gender identity in the United States have been more accurately studied in the social sciences in recent decades. In the first large-scale government survey measuring Americans’ sexual orientation, the NHIS reported in July 2014 that 1.6 percent of Americans identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent identify as bisexual. In a Williams Institute review based on an June–September 2012 Gallup poll, approximately 3.4 percent of American adults identify themselves as being LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender). An earlier report published in April 2011 by the Williams Institute estimated that 3.8 percent of Americans identified as gay/lesbian, bisexual, or transgender: 1.7 percent as lesbian or gay, 1.8 percent as bisexual, and 0.3 percent as transgender. The 2011 Williams Institute report also states that 8.2 percent of Americans reported that they had engaged in same-sex sexual behavior, and 11 percent reported some same-sex attraction. Studies from several nations, including the U.S., conducted at varying time periods, have produced a statistical range of 1.2 to 6.8 percent of the adult population identifying as LGBT. Online surveys tend to yield higher figures than other methods,[4] a likely result of the higher degree of anonymity of Internet surveys, which elicit reduced levels of socially desirable responding.
Source: Wikipedia

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Last part first. I think it's a sin if you're not gay and lay with a man. In other words, it prolly has more to do with being against sexual promiscuity, whatever sex or sexual orientation one is.

As for the Bible quotes, I'll leave it to the experts. You have to agree the law, i.e. Roman and Greek laws, were much different in those days.

"Jesus fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17–18). Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the Law. Ephesians 2:15 says that Jesus set aside the Law with its commands and regulations. Galatians 3:25 says, now that faith has come, we are no longer under the guardianship of the Law. The civil and ceremonial aspects of the Old Testament Law were for an earlier time. The Law’s purpose was completed with the perfect and complete sacrifice of Jesus Christ. So, no, the Bible does not command that homosexuals should be put to death in this day and age.

Also important to understand is that the civil laws within the Mosaic Law were meant for Israel under a theocracy. God’s chosen people, living in the Promised Land, following God as their King, were to adhere to a system of civil laws with divinely prescribed punishments. The priests taught the laws, the rulers enforced the laws, and the judges meted out punishments as necessary. The rule of Leviticus 20:13, “They are to be put to death,” was given to duly appointed government officials, not to ordinary citizens or vigilantes. The civil laws of the Old Testament were never intended to apply to other cultures or other times. There’s a reason why the nightclub attacker was not Jewish or Christian. Jews and Christians understand the intent and limits of the Old Covenant Law. By contrast, the Koran does not qualify its command to kill homosexuals, and many Muslims see that command as enforceable today."

Does the Bible require the death penalty for homosexuality?

PeteC-UK · Dec 18, 2016

Hi Folks..

2nd Mouse;

Very well stated Pete. I'm actually a little surprised none of the scholars here have engaged you on this response.

Thanks - no one responds because they know it is truth and they HAVE no response to give to that - either that or they just dare not think of the actual nitty gritty dirtyness that they discusss, and would much rather see it as some "clean act of love" LOL - but when they DO stop to think and it sinks in, then they realise it is just plain dirty after all - and so rather than challenge that obvious point, they prefer to remain silent and blissfully ignorant I guess... Political correctness will certainly lead to the silence of the individual Soul, the end of Self authority and the down fall of society as a whole, as we blindly continue to accept all manner of issues that really, we should not be embracing at all..

Kiwimac;

Ezekiel says why Sodom was destroyed and it has nothing to do with homosexuality and it never did.

Really..??... Thats a bit of selective quoting there isnt it..??...Gives a wholly slanted view of this truth doesnt it..??//Go read it again and keep it in CONTEXT - see that the other cities are described as committing the SAME kinds of sins (inhospitiality, arrogance, etc etc) BUT then THUS us said about Sodom SPECIFICALLY and uniquely :

51 Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. 52 Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

See now - ALL the cities do the same "sins" - BUT it states clearly that Sodom is by far the worse and makes the rest seem justifiable by comparison.....WHAT then was Sodoms EXTRA damning sins..?...THE PROMISCUOUS HOMOSEXUALITY !!! Stated clearly - Sodom did MORE DETESTABLE THINGS than all the others - and sodom was renowned specifically for homosexuality... The REAL reason this city was utterly destroyed is given in GENESIS - basically because the butch "bear" type queers gathered together and demanded to be allowed to RAPE two "men" who were really Angels !!!

4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”

Getting it yet..?...it was indeed the vile homosexual nature - the greed for sexual pleasure no matter the cost - THAT was what got them all destroyed - again clearly stated...Man - those angels are P^SSED !! Righteously so !! A gang of men come to the house and demand to gang rape them in public - and threaten same to Lot as he protects them...The crowd think its their privaledge to do to them as they please - specifically mentioned having SEX with them does it not..???.....And look, the Angels have "their lords" authority - read the previous chapter for crucial CONTEXT - the god SENT the Angels there to scout it out and see how evil and corrupt it REALLY was - and THIS is their greeting - threatened GANG RAPE by a sex mad group of queers - so they basically say - yer youre all screwed beyond help, we gonna destroy you !! Keep CONTEXT - note the bargaining in the previous chapter - if only TEN good men are found then the city would be spared - but NONE are found - EVERY MAN it says, both young and old - a city full of homosexuals -THIS was what made it different to Samaria and the other cities mentioned above - rampant homosexuality was the ONLY reason the city was singled out this way...

Some random ;

Okay, first of all if you're going that route you might as well say all sex between everyone is nothing but physical pleasure. Because news flash one does tend to orgasm during sex acts. Which does in fact elicit physical pleasure. Funny bit of biology that

I have to ask - so what..??....Sex is a NATURAL act that does indeed give physical pleasure..?...Whats your point then..??...

On the flip side sex acts between a couple can act as a bonding experience, again this is basic biology. And the funny thing about is, biology doesn't make the distinction between a gay couple sexually bonding or a straight one.

First point - its supposed to be about why this "god" feels the way it does - clearly demonstrated its utter disgust - and this is because as explained, it is NOT NATURAL AT ALL - or as you say it above - it is NOT biology AT ALL - as see actually biology DOES make a CLEAR DISTINCTION between gay and straight sexually bonding, in that NATURE gave a MAN and a WOMAN the means and physical apparatus FOR that ability - but alas - male to male are simply lacking the proper appropriate body parts, and so as we see undeniably this is NOT A NATURAL ACT AT ALL - as decreed BY PHYSICAL BIOLOGY itself, let alone any notion of "god" or creator - just take a look down below - NOT meant to place THAT body part in THAT body part - NOT EVER - not meant for that function at all - ergo biologically UNNATURAL

Even 6 year olds know the basics but sadly as they grow society screws with their heads until they begin to believe anything we tell them...sad...VERY sad....we ARE corrupting ourselves, spiritually speaking - as my mate said the blind lead the blind here and looks like we all got lost and are way off track now......

Now it comes to mind here -someone may say - quite legitimately - that ORAL sex is ALSO an unnatural act, yet it accepted by pretty much everyone......My answer is obvious - oral sex is actually quite natural - as see, the lips and the tongue ARE indeed SEX apparatus, fully sensual and naturally used in the act of sex - so yer lips and tongue ok - but anus - complete NO NO - not meant for sex at all....

In saying that a homosexual might have the same reaction thinking about doing heterosexual acts. It's something called personal taste. Perhaps you've heard of it?

Yes of course - already said above - such personal tastes as you term it - is the result of being spiritually ignorant of the Self - is the result of identifying the self too fully with mortal flesh and blood - BASE DESIRES - and this is like a prison for the mind, holds us dominated here at the base level self sabotanging the Souls intent to rise above this mortal world entirely...When the spiritually ignorant finally see the truth of things then their "personal tastes" will alter accordingly - when they stop identfying as a physical mortal being and finally realise their eternal nature then things such sex will become entirely secondary, unimportant and they wont even identify the Self as even Human let alone gay...lol...HUGE huge difference in SPIRITUAL Self perspective and gay IS the bottom rung of a tall "spiritual ladder" we must climb and ascend, spiritually speaking - the other end and mortal aspect in life is refleccted as a natural celibacy whereas said, PHYSICAL concerns are no longer even a concern at all...

Shadow Wolf · Dec 18, 2016

Rival said:
What's Skwim's big hang up with sacred scripture he doesn't believe in, knows he can't change, but keeps making threads on?

Because it needs questioned and challenged. For many people, this "sacred scripture" is at the heart of legal battles that deny them rights and make the law not equally applied to them, over nothing more than a so-called "sacred scripture." This "sacred scripture" also plays heavily in tormenting various groups, such as LBGT youth.

Skwim · Dec 18, 2016

Shiranui117 said:
Well, when you live in a pre-modern world with high infant mortality rates, semiregular illness epidemics, famine, drought and warfare, you kinda wanna make sure your tribe has a buffer zone of population. Everyone's gotta do their bit, as it were.

Completely nonsensical to modern-day society where we have too many people as opposed to too few, but perhaps that's the point. I think if ancient peoples condemned homosexuality because it didn't benefit society, I think homosexuality might be considered praiseworthy because the fewer number of people making more babies, the more we're able to control our population growth. At least if you want to go hardcore utilitarian with it.

Trouble is, it would only apply to 1.5 - 6% of the people (The currently calculated percentage of homosexuals) Hardly a number over which to get one's panties all in a twist.

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Etritonakin · Dec 18, 2016

God's "Big Hangup" is with necessary law and order.

What's the big hangup with adultery? Theft? Killing? Lying?

Most importantly for an eternal future..... What's the Big Hangup with having no other gods before God?

God's intent is to give the children of God the entire creation -the universe, and perhaps beyond. They will be given "glorious" bodies which will enable them to have power similar to that which allowed the Word to create the universe. (Search "vile body", "formed it to be inhabited" and "children of God" in the bible)

Those glorious bodies will not have gender, as such. We will no longer marry or be given in marriage. We may even have power over the appearance and form of our own bodies -such as when angels appeared as humans, etc. So.... One is not incorrect to question why homosexuality is now even an issue.

There are reasons for the law against homosexuality which do apply to creating an IDEAL human future and situation -with the focus not on the individual, but the future of possibly infinite offspring, who will also go on to become immortal. (Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end.)

However, the underlying issue is a willingness to obey the law of God.
It is absolutely necessary that God knows without doubt that any and every law will be obeyed -that every individual is not only willing, but incorruptible in this regard -before we can be trusted with the entire creation.
Otherwise, the entire universe would resemble present-day earth, which is full of misery due to lawlessness -and in danger of self-destruction.

It should be noted that the law concerning homosexuality applies to the Initially-intended state of two distinct genders.
Those whose state is TRULY and ACTUALLY not of one distinct gender or the other -which very possibly may affect more than visible genitalia -are certainly not to blame for that state or difficulty applying the law -but God will be paying attention to their willingness to apply the law as correctly as possible. However, that certainly does not apply to all who engage in homosexual acts. Some simply seek pleasure, have nothing against engaging in homosexual acts, and are not considering biblical law, while others do so for any number of reasons and have any number of different attitudes about it. It is an extremely complex issue.

It should also be noted that intended and ideal states can be corrupted and destroyed.

Access to the tree of life included maintenance of the creation -including human bodies. Many things have adversely affected the state of human bodies throughout history -and some of those have affected the initially-intended state of distinct genders. Eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil includes learning that we do not have the power to maintain the entire creation ourselves -but also that we do have a great deal of power, and our decisions can affect and destroy our environment, our selves, and the future of others.

God said "ye are gods" -and we will be given much more power later.
Christ is described as "the firstborn of many brethren".
If allowed to do any thing we want as individuals, the future would be a miserable and chaotic mess.
For many, the present is already a miserable and chaotic mess.
Universal law and incorruptible individuals will actually make possible the most pleasurable existence for all -whereas seeking individual pleasure apart from the law actually destroys that possibility, and the temporary pleasures experienced pale in comparison to those which are enjoyed in the context of eternal happiness and that which maintains it. The act of sex itself is extremely pleasurable, but sex is also mental and emotional -and can be quite empty and unpleasurable in a wrong or incomplete context. It can also affect the future adversely. The proper context, knowledge and understanding of how it relates to eternal happiness, proper attitudes and knowledge which exist in the mind -having absolute positive regard and love for the other, and understanding its place in an eternal order can make it exponentially more pleasurable.

Skwim · Dec 18, 2016

Christ's Prophet said:
I think that God is so upset about those who practice homosexuality, is that we are made in God’s image. No other creature has that. The sexual act is a gift given by God to husbands and wives in the realm of marriage.

Errr. It's also given to teens in high school, prostitutes, and those with no intention of having children.

When people in their lusts commit their sexual activity outside that envelope, then they are snubbing their noses at God, thinking that they will get away with it.

So what's the deal, sexually active teens and those who never get married are doomed to end up in hell for having non-procreative sex?

Someone said that God should allow all this as He is a loving God. But we must understand that He is also a just God, and there will be a judgment day.
God makes the rules, we don’t. God knows what is best for us.

Hosea 13:16 (NIV)
16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God.They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.”

Yup. Sounds pretty just to me too, 'cause infants and the unborn simply don't deserve the chance to live.

God is perfect and good.

Considering how much he regretted making us in the first place,(Gen. 6:6) I'd say he's a bit shy of perfection.

AND, none of what you said explains why God abhors homosexual behavior.

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Sonofason · Dec 18, 2016

Skwim said:
Errr. It's also given to teens in high school, prostitutes, and those with no intention of having children.
So what's the deal, sexually active teens and those who never get married are doomed to end up in hell for having non-procreative sex?

Yes, if they do not love and obey God, acknowledge and turn from these sins, and repent from them, they shall indeed experience complete separation from God and complete separation from eternal life.

Acim · Dec 18, 2016

Skwim said:
While God may tolerate homosexuals (He never really comes out and condemns such people), according to the Bible it's clear He detests homosexual acts, both male and female. He even wants men who engage in homosexuality to be put to death. Three passages in particular address His distaste. (If there are other direct scriptural references feel free to share.)

Leviticus 18:22 (ERV)
22 “Men, you must not have sexual relations with another man as with a woman. That is a terrible sin!

Leviticus 20:13 (ERV)
13 “If a man has sexual relations with another man as with a woman, they have committed a terrible sin. They must be put to death. They are responsible for their own death.

Romans 1:24, 26-27 (ERV)
24 People wanted only to do evil. So God left them and let them go their sinful way.

26 Because people did those things, God left them and let them do the shameful things they wanted to do. Women stopped having natural sex with men and started having sex with other women. 27 In the same way, men stopped having natural sex with women and began wanting each other all the time. Men did shameful things with other men, and in their bodies they received the punishment for those wrongs.

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Pretty drastic of a loving god if you ask me. So the question arises: Just what the heck does God find so abhorrent about homosexual activity? He certainly doesn't leave any clue. Perhaps He may doth protest too much?

Anyone care to take a stab?

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Maybe because the god mentioned in OT is not a loving god? Go find such quotes in Gospel and report back to me about what a Loving God may do in relation with homosexuality / homosexual acts. I consistently find OT god ill equipped at handling sin effectively.

Skwim · Dec 18, 2016

james bond said:
Last part first. I think it's a sin if you're not gay and lay with a man. In other words, it prolly has more to do with being against sexual promiscuity, whatever sex or sexual orientation one is.

Just to be clear, in reference to the three passages I quoted, people use "homosexuality" to cover all acts of same-sex sex, whether its a one time occurrence or a continuing practice. God doesn't differentiate.

As for the Bible quotes, I'll leave it to the experts. You have to agree the law, i.e. Roman and Greek laws, were much different in those days.

"Jesus fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17–18). Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the Law. Ephesians 2:15 says that Jesus set aside the Law with its commands and regulations. Galatians 3:25 says, now that faith has come, we are no longer under the guardianship of the Law. The civil and ceremonial aspects of the Old Testament Law were for an earlier time. The Law’s purpose was completed with the perfect and complete sacrifice of Jesus Christ. So, no, the Bible does not command that homosexuals should be put to death in this day and age.

Also important to understand is that the civil laws within the Mosaic Law were meant for Israel under a theocracy. God’s chosen people, living in the Promised Land, following God as their King, were to adhere to a system of civil laws with divinely prescribed punishments. The priests taught the laws, the rulers enforced the laws, and the judges meted out punishments as necessary. The rule of Leviticus 20:13, “They are to be put to death,” was given to duly appointed government officials, not to ordinary citizens or vigilantes. The civil laws of the Old Testament were never intended to apply to other cultures or other times. There’s a reason why the nightclub attacker was not Jewish or Christian. Jews and Christians understand the intent and limits of the Old Covenant Law. By contrast, the Koran does not qualify its command to kill homosexuals, and many Muslims see that command as enforceable today."

Does the Bible require the death penalty for homosexuality?

Got any idea why he abhors homosexual behavior?

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Acim · Dec 18, 2016

Skwim said:
My question wasn't addressing the fact that he detests homosexuality, but why he does. The reason.

The reasoning is not explicitly provided in such scripture. I would say the implicit rationale is that the divinity communicating in the various passages seeks to provide a path toward righteousness and what not to do while on that path. Seemingly not realizing that saying "don't do this" will likely result in some that hear that message, to wonder about / act on "this." To test such wisdom or to see if the righteous path could be expanded. From the Gnostic perspective, it's a sign (intellectually speaking) that it is low level communication, almost begging for error/sin to be committed, for reasons that are rather childish, immature, regardless own stature in scheme of things. From Gnostic perspective, I think it best to ignore such passages for the meaningless they are communicating. Not that one ought to at first glance ignore them, but given that they are likely going to come up more than once, and in context of a thread that is alluding to "loving God," then I'd advocate ignoring messages that are clearly not written from loving God's perspective. Again, it can't be overstated at how ineffective OT god is at handling sin. In Genesis 3, this is made extremely clear.

columbus · Dec 18, 2016

Skwim said:
AND, none of what you said explains why God abhors homosexual behavior.

Many years and multiple threads and this question has never come close to being answered.
I see that as an answer in itself.
Tom

columbus · Dec 18, 2016

Acim said:
Maybe because the god mentioned in OT is not a loving god? Go find such quotes in Gospel and report back to me about what a Loving God may do in relation with homosexuality / homosexual acts. I consistently find OT god ill equipped at handling sin effectively.

There is no logical connection between the god character in Genesis and the god character in the Gospels.
Tom

savagewind · Dec 18, 2016

Sonofason said:
Yes, if they do not love and obey God, acknowledge and turn from these sins, and repent from them, they shall indeed experience complete separation from God and eternal life.

"they shall indeed experience............. eternal life". May I apologize in advance? I couldn't help it.

Sonofason · Dec 18, 2016

savagewind said:
"they shall indeed experience............. eternal life". May I apologize in advance? I couldn't help it.

Yes, I could have written that to be more clear. separation from God, and separation from eternal life. I'v made the correction.

savagewind · Dec 18, 2016

Sonofason said:
Yes, I could have written that to be more clear. separation from God, and separation from eternal life.

I understood what you meant and I appreciate the laugh you caused. Good one! Now someone might see that I thought the post was funny and not know why. Haha

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