SoliDeoGloria said:
The fact that this statemnt implies that "sex equals love" and due to the various slang terms indicating the exact opposite "friends with benefits", etc, this statement is still left with an absence for a definition of the word "love", is based on nothing more than personal experience, and leaves more holes (questions) in it than a slice of swiss cheese. Outside of that, If this is what you truely believe "love" is, than I anticipate a major dissapointment for you in the future and truly feel for you
??? That is not what I meant at all. Look up the definition of monogomous relationship.
You're seeing what you want to see to. Not a surprise, seeing as how you do the same with scripture. Try and look passed you preconceived prejudices and judgements about me instead of jumping to inaccurate conclusions.
SoliDeoGloria said:
Nowhere in the OT are prearranged marriages stated as being a mandatory for all marriages
Mr._T said:
Marriages were usually pre-arranged and if you did not like your spouse...tough
A fine display of your reading and comprehension skills.
SoliDeoGloria said:
This point is made abundantly clear in the fact that there are plenty of examples of marriages in the OT that were not prearranged and sometimes could be stated to be based on a desire from both parties to be married (which could be arguably stated as a loving desire). Examples of non-prearranged marriages which are not criticized or condemned for not being prearranged in the traditional sense are: Rahab & Salmon (Josh. 6:25, Matt. 1:5), Boaz & Ruth (Ruth), David & Abigail (1 Sam. 25:39-42), etc
SoliDeoGloria said:
This completely contradicts Deut. 22:13-29 which clearly stated that if the female in a marriage was found not to be a virgin then there were dire consequences (usually death) to be carried out. It makes absolutely no provisions for whether or not this violation was due to the practice of idolatry or not. Now if Paul was as a devout follower of Judaism as you clearly state (which I completely agree with) he knew of this and took this into consideration.
Nor is it as clear as you state. 13
If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," The passage is referring to when a husband sleeps with his new wife and he does not like her after he has slept with her and then tries to slander her to get out of his marriage vow. Women were treated as property and Fathers often promised their virgin daughters at a young age to be wed. If the "property" was not in the condition as promised, then the deal was off and the girl was punished for dishonoring her fathers name by making him out to be a liar. A fine example of how much more social/culture was involved in marriage rather than love. People were forced to love. Anyone who reads those verses you quoted in Deutrenomy can see that the issue was not necessarily the girls virginity.
SoliDeoGloria said:
For the third time, will you please quit ignoring Deut. 22:13-29.
I'm not ignoring it at all. And pre-arranged marriages was not the point. I was showing how many OT cultural laws are not practiced by "Christians" and how they pick and choose what they want from the Bible to suit their own agenda (which would be fine if they didn't claim the Bible to be without error). The Taliban (who opress their women and stone them when they break a cultural rule) lives closer to those verses you quoted from the Bible than "Christians". Since you're such a stickler for for the infallible word of God, why don't you move out of the kush life you have here in the States and live in the middle east? So you can start living how God commands you to live. BTW, that's not my article. I didn't state any of that.
SoliDeoGloria said:
take for instance sacrificing one's children (Lev.18:21 Deut.12:31), it logically follows from your argument that these practices, as long as they are not done in an idolatrous fashion must be Biblically ok.
Yeah! That's totally what I mean!
Twist it to however you want. You do it with the Bible, why wouldn't you do it with me?
If you don't know the difference in morals between killing children and 2 people in love expressing a mutual feeling for one another, well then....you should peel the sticker off of a handicapped person's vehicle and place on your own...where it is truley needed.
SoliDeoGloria said:
Did you take somebody elses opinion on this or have you looked this up for yourself? BTW, The only version I have quoted is the NASV which does indeed use the word "fornication" in both the Acts 15 and 1Cor.6:9 and is considered to be the most literal translation by many, even when compared to the NIV. I do not adhere to the "King James only" doctrine.
Please show me where in the NT there is a definition for fornication? Please show me where in the NT Paul decribes what the act of fornication is? He gives definitions for adultery, idolatry, etc.
SoliDeoGloria said:
The only version I have quoted is the NASV which does indeed use the word "fornication" in both the Acts 15 and 1Cor.6:9 and is considered to be the most literal translation by many
Most literal?
http://www.hopeofisrael.net/nasv.htm
SoliDeoGloria said:
Neeto. I'm having a debate with a "Trekee". You practicing fornication doesn't make me feel anything
Once again with the judgments and conclusions. Because I made a reference to Star Trek I must be a Trekie. And I never said you feel anything about my views. I was responding to your comment about my "so called Christiandom" which you took the liberty of pointing out. Yet another great display of your questionable mentality and thinking process.
SoliDeoGloria said:
To make the ludicourous analysis that you have can also logically conclude that the article is comparing all sexual relationships with rape and therefore considering all sexual relationships as rape
Comparing consensual sex to a violation of one's body and mind in any way, shape, or form, is ludacris.
SoliDeoGloria said:
Do I really need to repeat myself a fourth time before you trully deal with the facts?!
Actually, I would be quite relieved if you stopped repeating yourself and show me where in the Bible fornication is CLEARLY (not possibly implied) defined as sex before a marriage ritual instead of clinging to one section of the bible that has a list of culture that is no longer practiced. Where does such a definition exist in the NT?
SoliDeoGloria said:
With your errant comments about the NASV, I can clearly see the extent of what you call "research" and "facts".
A mistake on my part. What I should've said about the NASV was that when compared to the KJV, the word appears in some places and not others. Such as Matthew 5:32 and 19:9. The word does not appear at all in the NIV which many consider to be more reliable due to the fact that it was translated internationally and not just by Americans (who are nortorious for going to extremes for the idea of fundamentalism). Yet another reason to question the reliability of certain Bible "translations"
SoliDeoGloria said:
Maybe if you took some time to aim one shot instead of blindly shooting off twenty rounds and hoping to hit the target, you might be more effective in your posts. I also noticed that you have not been here as long as I have by a few months and still have managed to post well over double the posts I have
And what exactly does the number of my posts and my time here have to do with the topic? This speaks volumes about your character and your ignorance. In case you havn't noticed (which I'm positive you haven't) this forum isn't just for debating. It's also for socializing. I have friends on here whom I talk with on a frequent basis which is what a majority of my posts consist of. And you're telling me that my research is faulty?! Do your homework about somebody before you shoot your mouth off. :foot: :bonk:
SoliDeoGloria said:
Must be nice. Since you seem to be an aspiring "word buff", why don't you do me a favor and look up the words "priority" and "responsibility" for me and tell me what you come up with or if you have any.
Where do you get this crap?
Stay on topic and keep your personal judgments to yourself.
