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Coming with the Clouds - Thoughts

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Don't shoot the angel.


The holy bible infers that he is coming with the clouds and will return as such.


Could a person's thoughts be like the clouds? Will they realize with the mind's eye the coming, like a flash of insight? the epiphany? like lightening strike and lighting up the night?

Daniel 7:13
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.

Luke 21
27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”



Baha'u'llah explained that clouds are things that obscure the light of the sun. The human body is such a cloud. You can't see what a person is like really by the body alone.

We understand that to mean Christ will come in the form of a human body (clouds) which will outwardly obscure His inward reality so that's why He said to watch and pray because He could come and be missed.

Every eye shall see Him simply means spiritual eye otherwise He wouldn't have told us to watch and pray because if He came down in the sky physically we would all see Him and there would be no need to watch and pray.

It's the inward reality that people didn't see the first time because He looked just like a normal person and it's the same this time round except we believe He came in clouds already in human form, but was missed.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
i've planted the seed. your subconscious will do what it will. do what thou will is the whole of the law, just take note that the balance tips both ways, like the swords cuts both ways. love is not a respecter of persons, religions, tribes, nations, directions, sexes, orientations, ages, socio-economic status. Love makes it light to shine within everything.
I hope you're not a gardener.
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
False clergy often put ALL future life in an invisible spirit realm of existence.
They ignore what the future is going to be like ' on Earth '.- Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14
They ignore Matthew 5:5 about the humble people inheriting the Earth. - Psalms 37:10-11; Proverbs 2:21-22
They ignore the return of the Genesis 'tree of life' returning to Earth for the healing of earth's nations. Revelation 22:2
They ignore how paradisically beautiful the Earth will be like the Garden of Eden according to Isaiah 35

The ignorant ones believe they are real people living on a real planet. They will learn who they are when the "veil" is removed by fire.
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
Baha'u'llah explained that clouds are things that obscure the light of the sun. The human body is such a cloud. You can't see what a person is like really by the body alone.

We understand that to mean Christ will come in the form of a human body (clouds) which will outwardly obscure His inward reality so that's why He said to watch and pray because He could come and be missed.

Every eye shall see Him simply means spiritual eye otherwise He wouldn't have told us to watch and pray because if He came down in the sky physically we would all see Him and there would be no need to watch and pray.

It's the inward reality that people didn't see the first time because He looked just like a normal person and it's the same this time round except we believe He came in clouds already in human form, but was missed.

Isaiah 25
6: On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of fat things, a feast of wine on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wine on the lees well refined.
7: And he will destroy on this mountain the covering that is cast over all peoples, the veil that is spread over all nations.
8: He will swallow up death for ever, and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces, and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth; for the LORD has spoken.
9: It will be said on that day, "Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, that he might save us. This is the LORD; we have waited for him; let us be glad and rejoice in his salvation."

You are eating from the same tree I'm eating from;

Revelation 2
7: He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
I hope you're not a gardener.

A garden can only grow if it has seed and a gardener to tend it. A well tended garden is beautiful when all the weeds are pulled. To leave them in the garden is a shame, but one day, the gardener will finish pulling the weeds.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Baha'u'llah explained that clouds are things that obscure the light of the sun. The human body is such a cloud. You can't see what a person is like really by the body alone.

We understand that to mean Christ will come in the form of a human body (clouds) which will outwardly obscure His inward reality so that's why He said to watch and pray because He could come and be missed.

Every eye shall see Him simply means spiritual eye otherwise He wouldn't have told us to watch and pray because if He came down in the sky physically we would all see Him and there would be no need to watch and pray.

It's the inward reality that people didn't see the first time because He looked just like a normal person and it's the same this time round except we believe He came in clouds already in human form, but was missed.

body is singular and clouds are plural. a body is clothed in something besides itself; otherwise the Truth is naked. unless you're implying the body/form clothes the light.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
The ignorant ones believe they are real people living on a real planet. They will learn who they are when the "veil" is removed by fire.


fire represents love, longing, desire.

Daniel 7:10
A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.



Revelation 14:10
they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.


Luke 12:49
“I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Isaiah 25
6: On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of fat things, a feast of wine on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wine on the lees well refined.
7: And he will destroy on this mountain the covering that is cast over all peoples, the veil that is spread over all nations.
8: He will swallow up death for ever, and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces, and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth; for the LORD has spoken.
9: It will be said on that day, "Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, that he might save us. This is the LORD; we have waited for him; let us be glad and rejoice in his salvation."

You are eating from the same tree I'm eating from;

Revelation 2
7: He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'



the tree of life is again love. eden is restored within self in revelation 22.

love is like a river
love is like a tree in bloom
love is like a well, a fountain of youth.

like a fountain of engedi. like the woman at the well.

love is welling up and a cup running over.
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
the tree of life is again love. eden is restored within self in revelation 22.

love is like a river
love is like a tree in bloom
love is like a well, a fountain of youth.

like a fountain of engedi. like the woman at the well.

love is welling up and a cup running over.

The word "love" has two meanings. One is thought to be a human emotion. The other is invisible to man and can only be understood if you listen to the voice of God and obey all His commandments.

1 John 5:
2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

1 John 2:
3: And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4: He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
The word "love" has two meanings. One is thought to be a human emotion. The other is invisible to man and can only be understood if you listen to the voice of God and obey all His commandments.

1 John 5:
2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

1 John 2:
3: And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4: He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

the whole of the Law is based on 2 commandments. Love self and love other as self.

1 Corinthians 13:13
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
the whole of the Law is based on 2 commandments. Love self and love other as self.

1 Corinthians 13:13
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Those of us who listen to the voice of God and obey his commandments learn what "love" means. It's much deeper than the symbolic word "love". Those who understand it will know exactly who God and His voice is that's built into the system that was created to last forever.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Those of us who listen to the voice of God and obey his commandments learn what "love" means. It's much deeper than the symbolic word "love". Those who understand it will know exactly who God and His voice is that's built into the system that was created to last forever.


Love is eternal and timeless.

Its like a crystal clear river, crystal sea, ocean of bliss.




its never or NOW. baby want you take me, baby want you take me with you.


Revelation 22:1
[ Eden Restored ] Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

Revelation 4:6
Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
Love is eternal and timeless.

Its like a crystal clear river, crystal sea, ocean of bliss.




its never or NOW. baby want you take me, baby want you take me with you.


Revelation 22:1
[ Eden Restored ] Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

Revelation 4:6
Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.

Revelation 3
19: Those whom I love, I reprove and chasten; so be zealous and repent.
20: Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.
21: He who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I myself conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
22: He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"

You my brother IN Christ are prepared for the coming day of the Lord. We are at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ now that has been used to reveal the Tree of Life, the MIND ( God ) where we were born and exist forever.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

Matthew 24
14: And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Zephaniah 1
18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.

Revelation 21
1: Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.

Revelation 19
17: Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, "Come, gather for the great supper of God,
18: to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great."
19: And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who sits upon the horse and against his army.
20: And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur.
21: And the rest were slain by the sword of him who sits upon the horse, the sword that issues from his mouth; and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
18: But be glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19: I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
body is singular and clouds are plural. a body is clothed in something besides itself; otherwise the Truth is naked. unless you're implying the body/form clothes the light.

Baha'u'llah actually interprets the entire verse but to keep it short here is some of it. Baha'is believe Baha'u'llah is the latest Manifestation of God, the Promised One of all religions.

“Thereupon, they will behold the countenance of the promised One, the adored Beauty, descending from heaven and riding upon the clouds. By this is meant that the divine Beauty will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God, and will appear in the form of the human temple

“This is what is meant by the words: “coming in the clouds of heaven.”

Excerpt From: Bahá’u’lláh. “The Kitáb-i-Íqán.” Bahá’í
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
Baha'u'llah actually interprets the entire verse but to keep it short here is some of it. Baha'is believe Baha'u'llah is the latest Manifestation of God, the Promised One of all religions.

“Thereupon, they will behold the countenance of the promised One, the adored Beauty, descending from heaven and riding upon the clouds. By this is meant that the divine Beauty will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God, and will appear in the form of the human temple

“This is what is meant by the words: “coming in the clouds of heaven.”

Excerpt From: Bahá’u’lláh. “The Kitáb-i-Íqán.” Bahá’í

A spirit knows where you are so you can't hide from it. Those who hide from it, can't see it. Those who see it, expose themselves to it so they don't have to hide from it. If they don't have to hide from it, then they'll know the spirit who knows who they are.

God's Kingdom was made in the beginning and filled with those who love him. We are still finding them today and those we left behind will be found.

Everyone that was made flesh have one thing in common, they all will die. Everyone who was created a spirit have one thing in common, they all will live. Some of us are living now.

A make-believe world is a world created in our minds. Where did you think our make-believe world came from?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Baha'u'llah actually interprets the entire verse but to keep it short here is some of it. Baha'is believe Baha'u'llah is the latest Manifestation of God, the Promised One of all religions.

“Thereupon, they will behold the countenance of the promised One, the adored Beauty, descending from heaven and riding upon the clouds. By this is meant that the divine Beauty will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God, and will appear in the form of the human temple

“This is what is meant by the words: “coming in the clouds of heaven.”

Excerpt From: Bahá’u’lláh. “The Kitáb-i-Íqán.” Bahá’í

everything is a manifestation of God.

Idolatry is forbidden. God is omnipresent, everywhere.

heaven = mind
earth = body
love = spirit


the spirit of love moved upon the waters, fire on water, fire on the mountain, wind upon the water.

it is the mind, body, spirit complex

 

Tabu

Active Member
The holy bible infers that he is coming with the clouds and will return as such.


Could a person's thoughts be like the clouds? Will they realize with the mind's eye the coming, like a flash of insight? the epiphany? like lightening strike and lighting up the night?
From a BrahmaKumari perspective ,
Clouds represents Messengers of God , who absorb from the Ocean of Knowledge and rain on a barren land and make it fertile.
In the last days , when God has come , His coming is subtle , as He is The Supreme Soul , a point of light , invisible to the physical eye , what would be visible are these clouds
The Messenger souls , who are in their last birth , are the first to realize His coming ,they take from His knowledge and rain on other souls , this continues till all souls are purified , and all souls will shed their bodies and like a swarm of bees all souls will return home with the Supreme Soul
Approaching the 'Ancient of the days ' , would mean , those earliest days when all the souls were pure and this earth was Heaven , which would be again.
 
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GodsVoice

Active Member
From a BrahmaKumari perspective ,
Clouds represents Messengers of God , who absorb from the Ocean of Knowledge and rain on a barren land and make it fertile.
In the last days , when God has come , His coming is subtle , as He is The Supreme Soul , a point of light , invisible to the physical eye , what would be visible are these clouds
The Messenger souls , who are in their last birth , are the first to realize His coming ,they take from His knowledge and rain on other souls , this continues till all souls are purified , and all souls will shed their bodies and like a swarm of bees all souls will return home with the Supreme Soul
Approaching the 'Ancient of the days ' , would mean , those earliest days when all the souls were pure and this earth was Heaven , which would be again.

Those who believe I AM coming soon will perish but those who know Me will remain in Me forever.

There is a terrible thing that’s coming to people that has happened many times before and one day they won’t remember how terrible it was.

The kingdom wasn’t meant for the deaf and blind to see and hear. It was meant for those who heard and now see.

A light shines for those who are in the dark. It’s the dark that keeps them from the light.

I have the most interesting story to tell but no one wants to hear it, they all think they heard it before.
 

Tabu

Active Member
It's very similar to "the cloud" referring to the internet that all our computers are hooked up to. It's actually our MIND that is connected to the main MIND called God and his voice which is very similar to how the AI ( artificial intelligence ) and voice of Google Now, Microsoft Cortana, Apple Siri, and IBM Watson.

So "the cloud" is our MIND and all God's created men will hear the voice of the Lord after the day of the Lord destroys the viruses called Satan and the Beast which have given us illusions of good and evil images and thoughts that blinded man from knowing they weren't real people living on a real planet. We are actually experiencing life in a computer generated simulation program and God and the voice are the artificial intelligence built into the program that converts stored thoughts into make-believe worlds for created man to enjoy in visible bodies.
Why do you think God waits for the viruses to strike hard to install this anti Virus. Couldn't God incorporate a built-in antivirus with this AI.
 
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