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Does/did science say the Sun is stationary?

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Smart_Guy

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Hello guys.

Does/did science say the Sun is stationary? I mean over all. I'm not referring to any reference about the relationship between the Earth and the Sun in their revolutions, rotations and/or spinning.

If it does not now but did in the past, any of you old timers remember science subjects when they did?

Thank you in advance.

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What's in red above.
 
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Kirran

Kirran

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Smart_Guy said:
Do you happen to know any old timers to answer the second question about science subjects?
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As far as I know, we've known about the Sun's relative motion for much longer than any members of RF have been in education. I think for longer than anybody on Earth has been alive, actually.
 
Jumi

Jumi

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Yes, the sun is moving in relation to other objects in space. Everything in our universe is moving in relation to other objects. Even our galaxy is moving.
 
Kemosloby

Kemosloby

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Surely it was discovered sometime after man evolved from monkeys, but I don't recall it ever being a popular science topic.
 
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Smart_Guy

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freethinker44 said:
I doubt there are many people that remember being taught a non-heliocentric model. At least in the west, we have known the planets revolve around the Sun for a few hundred years.

http://www.astronomyfactbook.com/timelines/heliocentrism.htm
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Thanks for the input, but the topic is about the Sun and its movement nature. If I'm not mistaking or having weak skimming skills, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the link you provided is about other objects' movements around the Sun, not the Sun's.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Smart_Guy said:
Any idea when was this discovered and by whom?
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Not a clue, but I suspect various cultures have realized it since ancient times given what seems to be a profound understanding of the movements of the astral bodies above, such as the ancient Egyptians, possibly ancient Celts, and the Mayans.
 
Jumi

Jumi

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Think about it this way. It's relative. If you're sitting in a car moving at 120km/h, are you moving or stationary? If your car is parked, but the planet is orbiting the sun, are you moving or stationary?

Like 200 billion stars in our galaxy, the sun is also orbiting our galaxy center, where there is a supermassive black hole. Is the galaxy moving or is our sun? We also know that galaxies are moving, ours included. Our galaxy is colliding with dwarf galaxies and absorbing them... we are actually due for a collision with the Andromeda galaxy in the future! They are coming towards us at around 100 km/s.
 
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Smart_Guy

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Jumi said:
Think about it this way. It's relative. If you're sitting in a car moving at 120km/h, are you moving or stationary? If your car is parked, but the planet is orbiting the sun, are you moving or stationary?

Like 200 billion stars in our galaxy, the sun is also orbiting our galaxy center, where there is a supermassive black hole. Is the galaxy moving or is our sun? We also know that galaxies are moving, ours included. Our galaxy is colliding with dwarf galaxies and absorbing them... we are actually due for a collision with the Andromeda galaxy in the future! They are coming towards us at around 100 km/s.
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I'm okay with all this. I'm just wondering what registered science says/said about it so far. I personally already know that all planets and stars (and what's similarly between) in the universe is moving.
 
beenherebeforeagain

beenherebeforeagain

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Smart_Guy said:
Hello guys.

Does/did science say the Sun is stationary? I mean over all. I'm not referring to any reference about the relationship between the Earth and the Sun in their revolutions, rotations and/or spinning.

If it does not now but did in the past, any of you old timers remember science subjects when they did?

Thank you in advance.

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What's in red above.
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No, science does not say the sun is stationary, although that was an assumption before precise measurements of the positions and motions of stars were made, starting in the 1500s. Over time, the records showed that the sun is moving relative to the stars. The sun's motion through space was first noticed and estimated in the 1780s, and has been more precisely determined since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_apex

Edit: discovery of the Solar apex is attributed to William Herschel, an English astronomer. in 1785
 
Rational Agnostic

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Smart_Guy said:
Hello guys.

Does/did science say the Sun is stationary? I mean over all. I'm not referring to any reference about the relationship between the Earth and the Sun in their revolutions, rotations and/or spinning.

If it does not now but did in the past, any of you old timers remember science subjects when they did?

Thank you in advance.

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What's in red above.
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All stars move, including the sun. No different than any other star.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
It is not known if the universe has a centre. But one would suppose that as it is expanding there must be a nul point somewhere.
the problem is, that it is thought that there are multiple universes. So the centre of this universe might be in motion around some other place or time. Motion might be inevitable and universal.
 
Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
Smart_Guy said:
Hello guys.

Does/did science say the Sun is stationary? I mean over all. I'm not referring to any reference about the relationship between the Earth and the Sun in their revolutions, rotations and/or spinning.

If it does not now but did in the past, any of you old timers remember science subjects when they did?

Thank you in advance.

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What's in red above.
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Its a very good question.
And most would answer no, due to it being in orbit around the center of the galaxy.
I've also heard that some think that the Sun revolves around the Pleiades, though
also some have said that this is a myth.

But those who adhere to Einstein's Relativity theories would say that seeing as though
all movement is relative, that there is no such thing as 'over all' movement.

Now you also separate the notion of 'spinning', and wish to avoid that type of answer.
Sorry but I can only answer the question by indirectly referencing spin. There is no other way.

Any orbital motion of the Sun around another object like the center of the galaxy
could be mapped as being at the same angular velocity as the object at the center
of the galaxy spinning.

So the orbit of the Sun and the rotation of the center body can be seen as identical.
So if that spin of the center body IS an over-all movement
then so must the orbit of the Sun be measured in over-all terms.

This would be in contradiction to the Relativist notion that there is no over-all movement.
But the Relativists DO accept over-all spin.
So their rejection of over-all movement contradicts the way that the orbit of the Sun
around the center of the galaxy is equatable with that body have over-all spin!

The Sun and a body at the center can have identical angular velocity.
 
Valjean

Valjean

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It's all relative. Movement requires a change in distance between an object/objects and another object designated stationary. Which object is designated stationary is arbitrary.

You could declare the Earth stationary and say everything else in the universe moves in relation to Earth.
You could declare anything stationary and declare everything else moves in relation to it.
To say what's moving, and how, requires something be designated a fixed point. How is a fixed point determined?
 
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