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Is there a point to marriage anymore?

MD

qualiaphile
This thread is more so directed at guys, but what exactly is the point of marriage? Given how ubiquitous cheating has become, online dating and loss of old morals, is it realistic to expect people stay married forever?

Wouldn't it make more sense to simply make money, become successful and work out? If I wanted my genes to be spread, this would be the most effective way to do it. If I wanted companionship, I would have my friends and family. If I wanted kids I could find a surrogate or have one with a partner I was dating for a while.

The only advantage I can see for a man to get married in this day and age is if he wants to pass down some of his own cultural and behavioral traits to his children. Even then given the divorce rate and the fact that women get most of the custody, I could simply do all that without marriage.

So what do you think, is marriage worthwhile? Is it a dying institution? Or is there some secret I haven't heard of?
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I have questions!

ubiquitous cheating has become
Do you think cheating happens more now than it did in the past? Or perhaps that it has become easier to get caught?

loss of old morals,
Like what?

is it realistic to expect people stay married forever?
It never was expected for them to be married forever, just a lifetime! :p

Wouldn't it make more sense to simply make money, become successful and work out? If I wanted my genes to be spread, this would be the most effective way to do it. If I wanted companionship, I would have my friends and family. If I wanted kids I could find a surrogate or have one with a partner I was dating for a while.
This is a logical approach that is devoid of this little tiny thing we call emotional attachment. Just something to think about.

The only advantage I can see for a man to get married in this day and age is if he wants to pass down some of his own cultural and behavioral traits to his children. Even then given the divorce rate and the fact that women get most of the custody, I could simply do all that without marriage.
Marriage is a cultural construct and if it doesn't appeal to you, thats cool!

So what do you think, is marriage worthwhile?
Yep, for tax purposes!

Is it a dying institution?
Nah, I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. (See above: taxes)

Or is there some secret I haven't heard of?
Tax breaks! :D
 

MD

qualiaphile
I have questions!

Do you think cheating happens more now than it did in the past? Or perhaps that it has become easier to get caught?

It's far more common now I feel. There is no cultural reason to be faithful, the Church has lost a lot of power. Plus online dating has made cheating very easy.

Like what?

Being faithful, working towards a greater goal, compromising and being there no matter what through thick and thin

This is a logical approach that is devoid of this little tiny thing we call emotional attachment. Just something to think about.

When cheating is rampant, emotional attachment is a detriment, it's better to actually develop mechanisms to not let it mature. Even without cheating, relationships are transactional and based on opportunism, once your value drops below your spouse there's a good chance they will leave you for someone better.

Yep, for tax purposes!

I'm sure a good accountant would help with my taxes far more, plus given the divorce rates and the massive loss of assets through that, the money saved by tax seems almost ludicrous. It is statistically becoming far less beneficial to get married for tax purposes.

I think it's a dying institution.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
There is no cultural reason to be faithful, the Church has lost a lot of power.
Can you expand?

I will give my .02, that I also believe marriage in the way we currently define it is a dated tradition. The line is becoming more and more blurred all the time. And, like you, I am not convinced our society (in its current state) is capable of producing individuals that are able and willing to be sexually exclusive with one person for the remainder of their life. Ms. Q and I have discussed this, we are open to exploring this avenue should this time come when we become sexually explorative in the future.
 

MD

qualiaphile
Can you expand?

I will give my .02, that I also believe marriage in the way we currently define it is a dated tradition. The line is becoming more and more blurred all the time. And, like you, I am not convinced our society (in its current state) is capable of producing individuals that are able and willing to be sexually exclusive with one person for the remainder of their life. Ms. Q and I have discussed this, we are open to exploring this avenue should this time come when we become sexually explorative in the future.

I think a lot of our sexual natures are guided by culture. A lot of what is happening today in backward Islamic states was probably also happening during the reign of the Church. There was a strong emphasis on monogamy because that ensured people could contribute towards child making, rearing and working towards society. Overall marriage is actually beneficial for society, as it promotes people working towards bettering the collective. However in our current culture it is not good and that is a sign of decline itself.

In our current society children are less and less. This is a cultural trait of liberalism guided by capitalism, because it ensures increased productivity and consumption.

Swinging is a good way to circumvent this dilemma, I cannot do this. I have far too strong of a jealous personality type, so it's better if I keep the relationship light and casual.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Whether it's called "marriage" or "civil union" or "committed relationship" or something else, for many people, they enter into long-term relationships for many different reasons. Historically, alliances between families and ownership of property were significant reasons culturally for marriage. In Western cultures, we've started to marry for "love." That is, the personal social and emotional purposes of a long-term relationship.

Personally, I got married because of the emotional benefits. That there are legal, genetic and other possible benefits is just extra!
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
For me marriage is a lot of fun and hard work. It's the kind of work that leads to joy . After many ups and downs, my wife has become a true friend.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
But what exactly is the point of marriage?: Companionship, sex, having children and raising them in protected environment..
Given how ubiquitous cheating has become..: Perhaps elsewhere. Not so common in India (at least till now). And a little does not matter much.
Wouldn't it make more sense to simply make money, become successful and work out?: What about sex? In India one would have to buy it.
If I wanted my genes to be spread, this would be the most effective way to do it: Why would you want that? It will be like spreading your seed in wind. You would not know if it struck roots. If you buy sex, contraceptives may be a requirement (I do not have much experience of it), so your seed will go waste in a rubber balloon, discarded, thrown in a waste paper basket.
If I wanted companionship, I would have my friends and family.: Friends and family are OK, but you are opting for no family. Even then the relationship is different.
If I wanted kids I could find a surrogate or have one with a partner I was dating for a while.: And what happens when you or your partner moves away. Tough on children. Surrogate, orphans, like the ones you want to engender without taking up the responsibilities. Good, not against that, but why not then, have your own?
The only advantage I can see for a man to get married in this day and age is if he wants to pass down some of his own cultural and behavioral traits to his children. Even then given the divorce rate and the fact that women get most of the custody, I could simply do all that without marriage.: How can you do that without having children of your own? Yes, with women moving away and if they are not of the same culture, then it would not be possible. So a lasting marriage is the only solution, otherwise your cultural traits will disappear.
So what do you think, is marriage worthwhile? Is it a dying institution? Or is there some secret I haven't heard of?: It is no secret. It is not a dying institution. It is a worthwhile solution for all the reasons listed above. :)
 
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bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
This thread is more so directed at guys, but what exactly is the point of marriage? Given how ubiquitous cheating has become, online dating and loss of old morals, is it realistic to expect people stay married forever?

Wouldn't it make more sense to simply make money, become successful and work out? If I wanted my genes to be spread, this would be the most effective way to do it. If I wanted companionship, I would have my friends and family. If I wanted kids I could find a surrogate or have one with a partner I was dating for a while.

The only advantage I can see for a man to get married in this day and age is if he wants to pass down some of his own cultural and behavioral traits to his children. Even then given the divorce rate and the fact that women get most of the custody, I could simply do all that without marriage.

So what do you think, is marriage worthwhile? Is it a dying institution? Or is there some secret I haven't heard of?

Simply, marriage is a choice and it is not for everyone. There is a bond between people that want to commit to each other in this life that can only be realized by them. I could explain to you how it works for me but it wouldn't help you for you would be different. Marriage is also good for the children as every study shows.

The issue is marriage is not for everyone. Society pushes many to marriage that simply shouldn't marry. You could do all you say without marriage and for some be happy with life. Others don't need to do any of that but find marriage very satisfying. What harm does marriage do. It is the breaking of the marriage that causes harm. We probably need more preparation before going into marriage. Marriage will be around forever but as you put it you don't have to be married.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
This thread is more so directed at guys, but what exactly is the point of marriage? Given how ubiquitous cheating has become, online dating and loss of old morals, is it realistic to expect people stay married forever?

Wouldn't it make more sense to simply make money, become successful and work out? If I wanted my genes to be spread, this would be the most effective way to do it. If I wanted companionship, I would have my friends and family. If I wanted kids I could find a surrogate or have one with a partner I was dating for a while.

The only advantage I can see for a man to get married in this day and age is if he wants to pass down some of his own cultural and behavioral traits to his children. Even then given the divorce rate and the fact that women get most of the custody, I could simply do all that without marriage.

So what do you think, is marriage worthwhile? Is it a dying institution? Or is there some secret I haven't heard of?
Just because fewer people can walk the Line is no fault of the Line.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
This thread is more so directed at guys, but what exactly is the point of marriage?

I hope you don't mind I answer even though I'm not a guy, I know my husband's perspective and that of my male friends. There isn't much of a difference, to be honest.

Given how ubiquitous cheating has become, online dating and loss of old morals, is it realistic to expect people stay married forever?

Maybe it seems like cheating is happening more often but I think it's not. Think about how in the past men had mistresses along with their wife. Or maybe it was kept quiet and there was the occasional scandal. Nowadays with social media, we're a lot more exposed to these things so it seems like it happens more often but I'm not convinced that it actually does. I don't know anyone in my immediate entourage that's done online dating. I met my husband online but it was via a videogame website and we were friendly to each other and realised we liked each other then decided to meet.

As for the last question, I think it depends on each person's character and how hard they are willing to work at staying together. It's important to compromise, to be with someone compatible and not mind the person's flaws and be willing to help them grow (and vice versa). It might be a good idea to know oneself and be honest with your wants and needs. Otherwise a lot of hurt can happen, if one isn't honest about their wants and the partner finds out later. There's a lot of factors at play here. I also think it's a good idea to at least read about these topics, if not go to an actual course on relationships.

Wouldn't it make more sense to simply make money, become successful and work out? If I wanted my genes to be spread, this would be the most effective way to do it. If I wanted companionship, I would have my friends and family. If I wanted kids I could find a surrogate or have one with a partner I was dating for a while.

If that's what you want, then do it. Don't assume however that it makes sense to others. Personally, I craved to have someone at my side, to live life with, to grow along, to share experiences, etc. Yes family and friends do that to an extant but it's not quite the same, or it isn't for me. There's many things I've gone through with my husband that wouldn't be something I'd share with family or friends, sorry if this is vague but I'm unwilling to give specifics. And on the contrary, I personally have no desire to spread my genes, I'm happy to not have children but we're abnormal, I guess.

The only advantage I can see for a man to get married in this day and age is if he wants to pass down some of his own cultural and behavioral traits to his children. Even then given the divorce rate and the fact that women get most of the custody, I could simply do all that without marriage.

My husband's reasons to marry me were what I wrote above and he wants no children either. Even if you personally disagree, it's good to gain the perspective of others and see that there may be other reasons than the ones you think. Divorce rates don't worry me and there wouldn't be any custody, because I won't have children but I realise that it's an issue, I think the most suitable parent should have custody, not based on gender.

So what do you think, is marriage worthwhile? Is it a dying institution? Or is there some secret I haven't heard of?

Depends on each person, what they want out of life. I don't think it's necessary, personally. Although there was many romantic reasons for ours, practically it was easier for me to move to this country, since he wasn't going to move to mine. I don't see a problem with people choosing to live however they want to, as long as they don't hurt others. I think it is somewhat dying because it can be expensive (mine wasn't though, it doesn't have to be but a lot of people think it has to be grand), there isn't a stigma against being in a relationship out of marriage and if you're committed you don't need to proclaim it in front of a bunch of people. It's a nice ritual but it's not needed. At least that's my opinion.

There isn't a secret, but I've given you reasons that me, my husband and friends agree to as why marriage was something we wanted. There's probably many more reasons, perhaps some practical ones too. But regardless it's up to individuals to decide for themselves if that's what they want and not just blindly go with what society dictates your life should be like (school, job, date, marry, have children, etc.)
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
This thread is more so directed at guys, but what exactly is the point of marriage? Given how ubiquitous cheating has become, online dating and loss of old morals, is it realistic to expect people stay married forever?
That’s two entirely separate questions. Which are you actually asking?

Like others, I’m not convinced of your assertion that cheating in relationships is any more common today than it has been in the past but even if it were more common, is that a reason to dismiss the option entirely? Do you give up driving because there are more accidents.

Wouldn't it make more sense to simply make money, become successful and work out?
How is that incompatible with marriage?

The only advantage I can see for a man to get married in this day and age is if he wants to pass down some of his own cultural and behavioral traits to his children. Even then given the divorce rate and the fact that women get most of the custody, I could simply do all that without marriage.
There’s a distinction between dismissing the option of marriage and dismissing the option of a long term relationship, essentially involving all the same elements as marriage other than the legal/social recognition.

If you’re only questioning actual marriage, then the point is that legal and (probably to a lesser extent these days) social recognition. If you’re questioning the point of long term romantic partnerships in general, you’re not actually talking about marriage specifically.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
This thread is more so directed at guys, but what exactly is the point of marriage? Given how ubiquitous cheating has become, online dating and loss of old morals, is it realistic to expect people stay married forever?

Wouldn't it make more sense to simply make money, become successful and work out? If I wanted my genes to be spread, this would be the most effective way to do it. If I wanted companionship, I would have my friends and family. If I wanted kids I could find a surrogate or have one with a partner I was dating for a while.

The only advantage I can see for a man to get married in this day and age is if he wants to pass down some of his own cultural and behavioral traits to his children. Even then given the divorce rate and the fact that women get most of the custody, I could simply do all that without marriage.

So what do you think, is marriage worthwhile? Is it a dying institution? Or is there some secret I haven't heard of?
It allows my wife to automatically inherit my stuff and make medical decisions for me as well as tax benefits .
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
Marriage, to me, is simply an agreement and consent between two parties to care in various ways for one another. It's no different than any other consensual agreement or contract.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
People who consider that God arranged the first marriage realize the family arrangement came into existence through his will. I believe ignoring God's standards has caused many marriages to fail, with suffering and misery the sad result. I think that the many happy and lasting marriages of those who do follow God's directions for married couples testify that Bible laws and principles, when applied, really work.
 
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