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Murders vs Electoral Map

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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Neo Deist said:
Considering your post is #151, I think you are a little late to the party. But feel free to jump in there with some reasons for the coincidence.
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Now you're blaming me for being late to a party that I wasn't invited to? :p

Ok. It's one stat that you're stating. One column has democrats. The second column has murderers. The rows differ by cities.

Like I mentioned before concerning stats in previous discussions:

With you concerning blacks and crime rate...

With @Rowan with Police organization and murder rate...

It's one stat that paints a correlation but doesn't correctly describe the full picture.

Let's add more columns to the table. Like region within the city. The average income of the murderers. The average democratic voting history of the murderers. Average population per area. And so on...

I wouldn't deny a correlation between democrats and murder rate but to be conclusive, we simply need more statistics because it could be a false negative in what we perceive as a correlation. I'm willing to bet that there are more underlying factors at play that shows the same correlation.

What do you think?
 
Neo Deist

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
suncowiam said:
Now you're blaming me for being late to a party that I wasn't invited to? :p

Ok. It's one stat that you're stating. One column has democrats. The second column has murderers. The rows differ by cities.

Like I mentioned before concerning stats in previous discussions:

With you concerning blacks and crime rate...

With @Rowan with Police organization and murder rate...

It's one stat that paints a correlation but doesn't correctly describe the full picture.

Let's add more columns to the table. Like region within the city. The average income of the murderers. The average democratic voting history of the murderers. Average population per area. And so on...

I wouldn't deny a correlation between democrats and murder rate but to be conclusive, we simply need more statistics because it could be a false negative in what we perceive as a correlation. I'm willing to bet that there are more underlying factors at play that shows the same correlation.

What do you think?
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Covered it: Murders vs Electoral Map
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Neo Deist said:
These were posted on page 3. This is the link that others are not getting , refuse to admit, or are simply oblivious to.

As a cop in the inner city, I see this type of lifestyle every single day. As a CSI, I am the one that is collecting the evidence and taking the pictures from these crime scenes. This is repeated almost daily. The good, law abiding citizens that happen to be black and stuck in those areas need help. Mayors, city council members and others that are Democrat and have been in power for decades use those people as political slaves. They are expected to vote Democrat, even though many of them have conservative values. They are taught that the white Republican is the spawn of Satan, and that only Democrats will protect government assistance programs, which unfortunately, so many inner city blacks rely on. For many of them, the "free ride" has become a way of life. The thing is that those assistance programs aren't going anywhere. Anyone with half a brain knows that it would decimate large groups of people to suddenly have those programs yanked out from under them, but the inner city people that rely on them are fed fears of Republicans doing just that.

That is what I meant in another reply that people can vote Democrat without being liberal, when in fact they may actually be conservative.

My hope is that one day those people will rise up and vote according to their values/beliefs and displace the Democrats that have done little for them, year after year. Vote for the candidate that best matches your beliefs; party be damned.
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I do agree with you somewhat. I do believe the Democrats use minorities as a voting tool. They're not delivering on what they promise otherwise.
I believe in the ideals but the execution has been horrible and that led me to question if these Democratic leaders are serious or are they blowing smoke.
 
Neo Deist

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
suncowiam said:
I do agree with you somewhat. I do believe the Democrats use minorities as a voting tool. They're not delivering on what they promise otherwise.
I believe in the ideals but the execution has been horrible and that led me to question if these Democratic leaders are serious or are they blowing smoke.
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They have been blowing smoke for decades. I work in a large, southeastern city as a cop, that has been led by Democrats since 1975. It has progressively gotten worse over the years.
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Neo Deist said:
They have been blowing smoke for decades. I work in a large, southeastern city as a cop, that has been led by Democrats since 1975. It has progressively gotten worse over the years.
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Well, here's my dilemma. Republicans publicly give a different rhetoric that I just don't agree with. I just can support them based on what they say.

I really have no where to turn but keep on giving a Democrats a chance even if its been hollow.
 
Quintessence

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Neo Deist said:
Freedom of speech.

Does the media take responsibility for the stories that are told? Does it care how those stories affect others? What purpose does the media serve when it comes to someone's personal life being put on display for the public to see?
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Freedom of speech is not freedom from responsibility and consequences. Failure to consider the consequences of the stories that we tell and their impact on ourselves or others is foolish. Many have gripes with "the media" in this regard, but that isn't what I intend this to be about. I asking you to think about the consequences of your actions. Deflecting your responsibility by pointing at someone else is not an answer. Since you haven't articulated anything about the ramifications of the story you are telling, are we to conclude that you haven't taken the time to consider this at all? Should we call this a lot of ducking, dodging, and weaving around answering the question because you know all too well what the consequences these stories are (and don't want to be caught saying it outright)? I don't know. I don't even particularly care. How you resolve this is your affair.
 
shmogie

shmogie

Well-Known Member
suncowiam said:
Now you're blaming me for being late to a party that I wasn't invited to? :p

Ok. It's one stat that you're stating. One column has democrats. The second column has murderers. The rows differ by cities.

Like I mentioned before concerning stats in previous discussions:

With you concerning blacks and crime rate...

With @Rowan with Police organization and murder rate...

It's one stat that paints a correlation but doesn't correctly describe the full picture.

Let's add more columns to the table. Like region within the city. The average income of the murderers. The average democratic voting history of the murderers. Average population per area. And so on...

I wouldn't deny a correlation between democrats and murder rate but to be conclusive, we simply need more statistics because it could be a false negative in what we perceive as a correlation. I'm willing to bet that there are more underlying factors at play that shows the same correlation.

What do you think?
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Sure, add the variables and data you think is required. The bottom line will remain the same, democrat controlled city's = high crime rate. One variable you will find interesting, so called "sanctuary city's" welcomes illegals, all under democrat control, high crime rates. Another, NYC, democrat administration, changed Police procedures, crime rate going up.
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
shmogie said:
Sure, add the variables and data you think is required. The bottom line will remain the same, democrat controlled city's = high crime rate. One variable you will find interesting, so called "sanctuary city's" welcomes illegals, all under democrat control, high crime rates. Another, NYC, democrat administration, changed Police procedures, crime rate going up.
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I didn't deny the notion, but are you really solving anything if you don't really root cause it.

You're just wasting energy, time and money by trying to solve something that possibly didn't exist.

I'm sure we can prove other factors that correlate to the crime rate. Maybe some cities are caused by the Democratic rule. Maybe others are not. Each city should have their own reviews to ensure the needed measures are in place.

This broad generalization simply doesn't help in all cases.
 
shmogie

shmogie

Well-Known Member
suncowiam said:
I didn't deny the notion, but are you really solving anything if you don't really root cause it.

You're just wasting energy, time and money by trying to solve something that possibly didn't exist.

I'm sure we can prove other factors that correlate to the crime rate. Maybe some cities are caused by the Democratic rule. Maybe others are not. Each city should have their own reviews to ensure the needed measures are in place.

This broad generalization simply doesn't help in all cases.
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Perhaps not. I agree that reviews for every city based upon their city's threat assesment is critical. Root causes are obvious, poor education, in democrat city's vouchers for parents to put their kids in the best schools are always defeated by teacher unions, charter schools are resented. Poverty, democrat city's have been taking billions of US taxpayer money for 30 years to solve the problem, they have done nothing and poverty is worse, sanctuary city's, all democrat, all harbor people who have no right to be here, supplement them with taxpayer money that should go to Americans, waste money educating their children when it should be spent on American kids. Since virtually all of these illegals are poorly educated and have no saleable skills, They undercut the salaries Americans could make in these unskilled positions. I could go on, but you get the idea, liberalism has totally failed the citizens of America in these city's. The mayor of Chicago just declared that his city would welcome illegals, with all that that entails, while someone gets shot every two hours in Chicago.
 
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Nowhere Man said:
Pretty obvious. Don't need sources to see that.
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what are you looking at if you have no "sources"?
Would not what you are looking at be your "source"?

What is it you are looking at?
Seems to me you are merely jumping to conclusions based on the current media trend.
not a very reliable source
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Mestemia said:
what are you looking at if you have no "sources"?
Would not what you are looking at be your "source"?

What is it you are looking at?
Seems to me you are merely jumping to conclusions based on the current media trend.
not a very reliable source
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Can't see it for yourself? Ok. Cool.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Neo Deist said:
The data shows that the highest murder rates are in cities that are predominantly Democrat in political affiliation. The question is, why? ...
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People who want things handed to them for free, often decide to take them instead.

No morals
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
It's because larger cities are almost always Democratic, duh. When you have more people living in an area, you're going to have more crime. It's not that hard. Try again? :rolleyes:
 
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