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Who gave Jesus all authority in Heaven and Earth?

savagewind

savagewind

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1robin said:
That is unbiblical. For some reason I think your considering the Bible's world view as the context for your questions and statements, but maybe that assumption is incorrect. In the bible Jesus is not 1/3rd of anything. That is to attempt to evaluate the Trinity by using arithmetic. Jesus is fully God, the Father is fully God, the Holy Spirit is fully God. They are three divine entities with independent wills and rolls but with perfectly harmonious teachings. Your confusing essence with position or maybe roll.

However that issue is not as interesting or important as the discussion as to what Jesus' nature really was. If you want to discuss the latter more important issue I will let you make the opening post or argument that Jesus is not divine. However it will be tomorrow before I can reply as I am leaving in a minute.
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So, are you saying it is not the truth that God gave Earth to humankind? In that God has come to be our savior, God took it back. Or, is Jesus actually a human (not an angel or God) and so the Earth still remains a gift to humankind from God?
 
savagewind

savagewind

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I am going to look at this logically.

The Earth is going just one place.

There is no Earth leader, so Earth will definitely fail. It just will. Matthew 15:14

Was the Earth given to humankind by God? I rest on the fact it was.

Earth needs a leader. Wise people choose Jesus Christ because he is faithful and true.

Where Earth goes belongs to Earth's leader.

Where it goes will prove its leader and where it goes is to whom it belongs.

Does it belong to God? Psalms 115:16 Is Psalm 115:16 correct or incorrect?

If Jesus is God then where Earth goes it totally up to God.

If Jesus is a man, then where Earth goes will prove humankind.

Remember what some wise men believed and wrote. The Earth was given Adam to have it in subjection. If God is the savior then the Earth is in subjection to God and we know that isn't true.

But, you guys say it is true.
 
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Yes, the children in the school quote the men that teach the doctrine to them, the men and the rest of the congregation do the same thing. What I say comes from Jehovah God through Holy Spirit and is no lie. The fathers' name is Jehovah Exodus 6 : 2 - 3) Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah. 3 And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.( As you can see when God introduced himself to Moses he explained then that he used to be called God Almighty by the men of ancient times from that particular time. Naturally he was giving Moses a name and it was Jehovah. ( says it in my New World translation and King James ) Another scripture giving you Gods name is stated from Psalms 83 : 18 May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,You alone are the Most High over all the earth.) Says that in my King James as well. The Sons name is Jesus. Stated in Matthew 1 : 21) She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”) Here's some scriptures showing you the separation of the Father ( Jehovah ) and his son ( Jesus ) 1 Corinthians 1 : 9 God is faithful, by whom you were called into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Corinthians 15 : 20 - 28 ) 20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep in death. 21 For since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. 22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each one in his own proper order: Christ the first fruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence.24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.) In verse 24 it talks about him handing the kingdom back to his Father, Then in verse 28 it talks about Jesus subjecting himself to Jehovah. ( I have a few more, but i'll just give you one. Daniel 7 : 9 - 14) 9 “I kept watching until thrones were set in place and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing was white like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire. 10 A stream of fire was flowing and going out from before him. A thousand thousands kept ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The Court took its seat, and books were opened.11 “I kept watching at that time because of the sound of the arrogant words that the horn was speaking; I watched until the beast was killed and its body was destroyed and it was given over to be burned in the fire. 12 But as for the rest of the beasts, their ruler ships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season.13 “I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. 14 And to him there were given ruler ship, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His ruler ship is an everlasting ruler ship that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed. ( In Daniel the Ancient of days is Jehovah and the Son of man is Jesus.) read carefully and pray to Jehovah in the name of Jesus and ask sincerely for him to open your eyes in this matter. The story of the Bible starts of with a Father who always was ( Jehovah ) who created a Son ( Jesus ) with his own hands and the two of them created everything that is Jehovah being the designer and Jesus the master builder. This is a close bond of a Father and Son .
 
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Sleeppy

Sleeppy

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Tumah said:
I don't agree with your interpretation. There's a difference between the fact that electricity is what makes your blender work and showing how when you turn off the electricity in your house, the blender doesn't work. Deuteronomy is a statement about existence. That's how it is. Isaiah is a prayer that G-d show that its a fact through saving His people.


I think this is a translation issue. The word elohim doesn't literally translate to "god". The word is used in a number of cases where this translation simply doesn't fit the context. Rather, I think a more accurate translation would be "force". This is reflected in the nature of the pantheons of the day which were all figures representing the various forces of nature. It also is has a broad enough meaning to include its usage by judges and Moses. Judges have the power over a persons wealth and life. In Jewish theology, the various forces of G-d are manifested in His angels. You are familiar with some of these ideas: the healing of G-d, the might of G-d, the light of G-d, etc. So the name "forces" is appropriate for them, as it is used in Psa. 82:6.
The word "son" in Biblical Hebrew has a much broader meaning than "son" as well. An example of that is the "sons of the prophets" in 2 Kings which refers to prophets in training. When we speak about people that live in a house we say, "sons of the home".
When I read Psa. 82:6-7, I understand it as saying, "[Asaf says in the name of G-d] I said, you are angels and you all dwell in the most high (ie. heaven). Yet you will die like men and like one of the officers you will fall." This is referring to Isa. 24:21, where G-d judges the hosts of Heaven (ie. the angels).
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The point remains, either way.

In order for God to save, He must acknowledge loss. If no one is able to remove "His people" from His hand, salvation from another hand never becomes an issue.

You casually and unknowingly overstep the entire problem, with the "His people" idea. It divides God's creation, so that you have to admit dominion of peoples apart from God- which should be nonsensical to monotheism (and obviously, the Deuteronomy verse).
 
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Blessed of JEHOVAH

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When I say they have it together more than any one else is being on the right path. The main thing that they do is acknowledge who God is and that's Jehovah with Jesus being his Son. Praying to Jehovah in Jesus name unlocks the power of the Kingdom.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Blessed of JEHOVAH said:
When I say they have it together more than any one else is being on the right path. The main thing that they do is acknowledge who God is and that's Jehovah with Jesus being his Son. Praying to Jehovah in Jesus name unlocks the power of the Kingdom.
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Many people acknowledge The true God and God's son. Jehovah and Jesus are their manmade Greek names, but that is for another forum.

I am intrigued. I am sure the power of God's Kingdom is God. Does God need unlocking?
 
savagewind

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@Blessed of JEHOVAH Praying to Jehovah in Jesus' name unlocks the power of the Kingdom.
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Can you explain what this means?

I also find it interesting that you say a person does the will of God through the Holy Spirit.
Blessed of JEHOVAH said:
Your right to say that my eyes were opened and Jehovah literally took over had me read the Bible three times in about 7 months and now he truly shows me whats right and wrong through holy spirit. .
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What I say comes from Jehovah God through Holy Spirit and is no lie
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Do you mean to say through? What does it mean?
 
savagewind

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Blessed of JEHOVAH

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1robin said:
This question has a relatively simplistic answer many Sunday school kids would be able to supply.

God is one being composed of three persons. The father being one person gave all authority to another person Jesus Christ, known as the son.

I do not see any inconsistency or need to look any further than this. Do you see any potential problem with the above?
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Yes I do because the children and the rest of the congregation only repeat the things taught by men. The only one who gives wisdom and knowledge is Jehovah. Proverbs 2 : 6 states. (6 For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; From his mouth come knowledge and discernment. Jehovah God is the Father I'll show you a couple scriptures proving that. This is where he first introduced himself using his name when speaking with Moses. Exodus 6 : 2 states ( 2 Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah. 3 And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them. Psalms 83 : 18 states 18) May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
Jesus is the son of Jehovah God. John 11 : 4 states 4 But when Jesus heard it, he said: “This sickness is not meant to end in death, but is for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified through it.” 1 john 4:15 states 15) Whoever acknowledges that Jesus is God’s Son, God remains in union with such one and he in union with God. The story of the bible is about a Father and Son. A Father who always was who created a Son with his hands and that Father and Son created everything that is. Jehovah ( Father ) being the Architect and Jesus ( Son ) being the Master Builder. You have to Acknowledge the father, Pray to Jehovah and end your prayer in the name of Jesus and you will unlock the power of the Kingdom. Pray for an abundance in wisdom and understanding and for a great hunger for his word. Continuously do this without doubting and you'll be filled.
 
Tumah

Tumah

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Sleeppy said:
The point remains, either way.

In order for God to save, He must acknowledge loss. If no one is able to remove "His people" from His hand, salvation from another hand never becomes an issue.

You casually and unknowingly overstep the entire problem, with the "His people" idea. It divides God's creation, so that you have to admit dominion of peoples apart from God- which should be nonsensical to monotheism (and obviously, the Deuteronomy verse).
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I think Deut. 28:15 until the end addresses this. All the things that we need salvation from, begin with the word "And G-d will..." See for instance 49-52. So essentially it's teaching us that we need salvation by G-d's right hand from His left hand.
 
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